Rank and Position

[Shadow]

Hey, this came up during a round today, so I'd like to talk about it here.

I made a character, who I played for a a while, and still play, who was a corporal, now, corporal is the rank of the engi and medic, which I normally did with this character, but I was playing a standard during the round, but I still figured I could introduce myself as corporal due to my normal position. Some marines told me I couldn't be a corporal because I was a standard, therefore a private or private first class. I'd like to think anyone of any of the common infantry ranks could fill any position below their rank, such as a Staff Sergeant being a standard, or a medic, or a Corporal being a standard, but apparently it is arbitrary that your rank correspond with your position. I don't think that makes sense unless its a Private First Class trying to play a medic, which is a position requiring minimum rank of Corporal, or someone of a low rank trying to play something above their rank, otherwise, I don't think you need to have to be a certain rank for a position if you are above the minimum rank for that position.

Any thoughts, anyone agree? Disagree? Please, I'd like any feedback...

[MauroVega]

I agree with you
Many times i play as a Bo or Xo,even Co and im a Sfc,technically speaking only Ltn's and foward could be a command

SFC(Sergeant First Class)
Ltn(Litenaunt)

[TheSlapDoctor]

Hey, that was me that told you you couldn't.

I don't know how it works in the real military, but on the wiki page it says that all Standards are Private/PFC.

I don't think you can have a Corporal Standard, because the chain of command is in place for a reason, if the SL dies, the Spec takes over, then Squaddies, then a Standard.

[Shadow]

Hey, that was me that told you you couldn't.

I don't know how it works in the real military, but on the wiki page it says that all Standards are Private/PFC.

I don't think you can have a Corporal Standard, because the chain of command is in place for a reason, if the SL dies, the Spec takes over, then Squaddies, then a Standard.

Be that as it may, I'm here because I don't support that notion, and I'd like to see it discontinued or modified.

[TheSlapDoctor]

Off Topic, but did I just see you charge a ravager and a crusher alongside Khan?

Cutter is a badass. A badass fool, but a badass.

[Shadow]

Off Topic, but did I just see you charge a ravager and a crusher alongside Khan?

Cutter is a badass. A badass fool, but a badass.

Sorry for a long wait on the reply, but yeah, Khan and I tried to 2v2 those aliens. We got rekt, but it was bloody good sport. SMASHING!

[Shadow]

I agree with you
Many times i play as a Bo or Xo,even Co and im a Sfc,technically speaking only Ltn's and foward could be a command

SFC(Sergeant First Class)
Ltn(Litenaunt)

I'd recommend making a second character or such if you plan playing somewhere above the minimum required rank of a position, without holding that minimum rank.

[apophis775]

The reason we have the rank structure, is because for our server RP is not "persistant" from round to round. Instead, it focuses on interaction between characters during a round based on their rank/position. One round you may be a commander, another you may be a standard. With such large differences in job/rank, you wouldn't treat other marines the same way, thus, to prevent what we were getting (I R SPEISS GENERAL BUT IZ STANDARDS CAUSE I FITE WIT ME MEN), a rank system was standardized.

[Wickedtemp]

Yeah. Otherwise I can hop on as a standard marine, claim to actually be a Commander and just see what I can get out of it all. Which is bad.

[LordLoko]

Oh yes, the famous "I'm actually the president of the universe but I'm a standart because I fight with man".

Even that the current system can get in the way of some people RPs (like your example), we can stop people that use RP ranks to chucklefuck around.

[MrGabol100]

You should be able to roleplay, within a limit, and never put your RP over other people's "I'm actuall a xenomorph in a human suit".

Saying you're a corporal while you are standard should be fine as long as you don't try to go: "I'm bettur tahn u, y should I lissen 2 u if ur only little little baby Pvt".

I'm not going to skip all my roleplay because I literally go ONE RANK above the SL mark, because there's no position above even.

Only your Job should matter in game, all you roleplay is your personnal preference.

[Edgelord]

I think it's much easier to stick to the wiki ranks in terms of succession. I guess my follow up question would be this: If you were a Staff Sergeant standard and the SL got dragged away who would be the next in charge? Would you, a higher ranked staff sergeant cede command to the inferior Sergeant or corporals? I don't like this because it messes with the programmed order of the squad. As soon as dogtags get implemented I'd love to see a rank in the description. Hell maybe it could even read the rank in front of the name (ex. Cpl. John Doe).

[Egorkor]

I think it's much easier to stick to the wiki ranks in terms of succession. I guess my follow up question would be this: If you were a Staff Sergeant standard and the SL got dragged away who would be the next in charge? Would you, a higher ranked staff sergeant cede command to the inferior Sergeant or corporals? I don't like this because it messes with the programmed order of the squad. As soon as dogtags get implemented I'd love to see a rank in the description. Hell maybe it could even read the rank in front of the name (ex. Cpl. John Doe).

If that happened to me I'd let the whoever is next in line or who was appointed by the SL to be in charge, cause that's how the game works, and cause my rank is purely cosmetical, and I don't even mention it often. But that's my point o' view.

[MrGabol100]

If that happened to me I'd let the whoever is next in line or who was appointed by the SL to be in charge, cause that's how the game works, and cause my rank is purely cosmetical, and I don't even mention it often. But that's my point o' view.

Exactly what I'm trying to say.

[GracieGrace0]

Okay. There's a little thing in the military called billet over rank. That means your Squad Lead who may be Sergeant is still in command of the medic who may be a staff sergeant. The billet (or job) is what determines the Chain of command ( CoC) not your rank. It's not a hard concept, rank isn't everything.

[apophis775]

Okay. There's a little thing in the military called billet over rank. That means your Squad Lead who may be Sergeant is still in command of the medic who may be a staff sergeant. The billet (or job) is what determines the Chain of command ( CoC) not your rank. It's not a hard concept, rank isn't everything.

This both is and is not "true".

The term "billet over rank" is associated mostly with command elements, because you can, very literally, have a Platoon Sergeant who is a Staff Sergeant, in command over Sergeant Majors.

It's "complicated" what causes this, but BASICALLY:

Say you have 4 sections in Battalion command (usually you have 6)

Personnel: lead by a Specialist
Intelligence: Lead by a Sergeant First Class
Operations: Lead by a Master Sergeant
Supply: Lead by a Sergeant.

Now, lets say, each of those "sections" makes up a squad in a "platoon".

That Platoon, falls under "Headquarters" company. However, that Platoon, is the Battalion Command Platoon. Their Platoon sergeant however, is the person assigned from Headquarters into that platoon.

TECHNICALLY in that platoon, you have both the Platoon Sergeant in charge of the platoon, AND the people in command in charge of the battalion that the platoon is in a company in.

This, is where the term "billet over Rank" comes from. Because, that Platoon Sergeant, is in charge of those 4 sections, even though, the section leader for Operations, is probably a Sergeant Major or Master Sergeant. The Staff Sergeant, in terms of orders for the specific platoon, is in command of that platoon, and the Master Sergeant would have to listen to the Staff Sergeant concerning orders for that platoon. HOWEVER, that Staff Sergeant, still works "for" the Master Sergeant (as, that Master Sergeant works in command, which is above the company).

It can get VERY complicated.

Typically, this situation ONLY happens in command platoons, or with "command" personnel.

Reason being, that you should never be able to "outrank" the person above you.

In an "actual" platoon, it goes by what's called "Date of Rank", which should "technically" make it impossible for you to every be a lower rank, than anyone below you.

If your 1st Squad leader gets promoted to Staff Sergeant, and your Platoon Sergeant is a staff sergeant, the one recently promoted, would probably be moved away to their own platoon.

So, if say, a Platoon leader was dragged away in CM, the Alpha Squad leader, would take command. If the Alpha Squad leader was dragged away, the leader of Alpha Squad, would be the next highest ranking person in their specific squad.

[MrGabol100]

This both is and is not "true".

The term "billet over rank" is associated mostly with command elements, because you can, very literally, have a Platoon Sergeant who is a Staff Sergeant, in command over Sergeant Majors.

It's "complicated" what causes this, but BASICALLY:

Say you have 4 sections in Battalion command (usually you have 6)

Personnel: lead by a Specialist
Intelligence: Lead by a Sergeant First Class
Operations: Lead by a Master Sergeant
Supply: Lead by a Sergeant.

Now, lets say, each of those "sections" makes up a squad in a "platoon".

That Platoon, falls under "Headquarters" company. However, that Platoon, is the Battalion Command Platoon. Their Platoon sergeant however, is the person assigned from Headquarters into that platoon.

TECHNICALLY in that platoon, you have both the Platoon Sergeant in charge of the platoon, AND the people in command in charge of the battalion that the platoon is in a company in.

This, is where the term "billet over Rank" comes from. Because, that Platoon Sergeant, is in charge of those 4 sections, even though, the section leader for Operations, is probably a Sergeant Major or Master Sergeant. The Staff Sergeant, in terms of orders for the specific platoon, is in command of that platoon, and the Master Sergeant would have to listen to the Staff Sergeant concerning orders for that platoon. HOWEVER, that Staff Sergeant, still works "for" the Master Sergeant (as, that Master Sergeant works in command, which is above the company).

It can get VERY complicated.

Typically, this situation ONLY happens in command platoons, or with "command" personnel.

Reason being, that you should never be able to "outrank" the person above you.

In an "actual" platoon, it goes by what's called "Date of Rank", which should "technically" make it impossible for you to every be a lower rank, than anyone below you.

If your 1st Squad leader gets promoted to Staff Sergeant, and your Platoon Sergeant is a staff sergeant, the one recently promoted, would probably be moved away to their own platoon.

So, if say, a Platoon leader was dragged away in CM, the Alpha Squad leader, would take command. If the Alpha Squad leader was dragged away, the leader of Alpha Squad, would be the next highest ranking person in their specific squad.

Then, add platoon structure ;D