Current Server Situation Discussion: Cats out of the bag edition

[apophis775]

Did you just...accuse him of making fake evidence?

No, I was trying to cite, that those files can be literally anything because he didn't provide any context as to what the files were. They appear to just be generic firefox files and I have no idea what they are supposed to mean or represent.



I'm also wondering, exactly where you see recent unprofessionalism (other than, the report from a few weeks that we talked with her and made her apologize over). I mean, remember. We do this in our SPARE TIME to try and create a FUN environment for players. It's not exactly unprofessional if she's making an event for players to play and enjoy...

[Adjective]

So I would very much like to know who your source is claiming I was "Swearing at players" and accusing someone of "Transphobia". Additionally, NO moderator was assigned to teach me anything of the sort. Ordukai, TotalAnarchy, Allan, SpeedyBast, CoronelJones, and NijiShadow were the only staff I spoke to at that point in time. Everything I learned was from the HeadMin at the time UnknownMurderer.

Additionally, when I have hormone imbalance, staff are warned a week in advance through staff chat and forum thread. If your "source" would like to speak to me personally about their "experiences with me". I would very much enjoy a personal message from them. Especially with how they are attempting to slander me.

Edit: Additionally, my record sweeps found no evidence of an arguement or staff resignation near one of my hormone imbalances (there are two on record).

[Westhybrid]

I feel as of recently that staff have been acting unprofessional, and that it's becoming an OK thing for it to happen. I feel that there’s some favoritism that needs to be checked - perhaps not with you specifically, Apop, but with the entire staff team in general (except Rahl. Literally except Rahl). There are reports that are sometimes completely valid that get snuffed out by overlooking evidence.

Please, tell us which Admins and Mods have been wronging you and the community at large all this time. Get specific. Use names.

If you want accountability, call us out, so we can properly defend your accusations of our profound lack of professionalism.

[Nubs]

Jesus christ guys, this community and it's off the wall reactions to relatively minor stuff is insane. I've not seen any examples of admin abuse other than the event which led to the resignation of the previous head admin, even then i wouldn't have reported it as i didn't think it was a big deal. Apparently events that don't always go 100% marines way now count as abuse? jesus.

Alot of the people in here hold a double standard, being rude as fuck to staff and coders, shitting all over their work in progress, claiming they are literally (bad historical figure here) because they added an update for testing that needed a little work or wasn't quite finished yet, but expect nothing but sweetness and nice back. This community is goddam toxic in my eyes, and reading this thread makes me want to leave the server altogether before everyone turns on each other and the place implodes in a cloud of drama and salt.

You fucklers are acting like a goddam select committee over a 2d spaceman game that's meant to be fun. Stop being so Serious.

Also, guy who seems to have a borderline obsessive vendetta against absynth, you worry me and I hope you don't take other things in your life this seriously.

[Rob606]

I'm also wondering, exactly where you see recent unprofessionalism (other than, the report from a few weeks that we talked with her and made her apologize over).

As a neutral outsider I have to say that Abby's 'apology' was completely insincere and still seemed to subtly insult the person she was supposed to apologise to - granted, he had been unprofessional himself and it's difficult to enforce a world where people can shit on you and you're not allowed to shit on them in return - but the fact remains that the staff are trying to maintain an element of decorum and professionalism; and that apology was not sincere.

Yes, she made a game mode and that's great - but from what I've seen only half the playerbase (roughly) likes it, so naturally people are vocal when it's turned on in a server that specifically advertises itself as a Colonial Marines vs Aliens server. Hence why there's a lot of backlash. It's understandable when Abby gets pissed because people insult her work that she does for free, and it's understandable that this frustrates her and causes her to lash out.

Still, if you're tying to show that the staff team is professional, her attitude is not helping. Unfortunately, you guys are stuck in a difficult position for reasons I said above. No one likes having to smile politely when someone insults you. Everyone hates working in retail. This is a similar example.

[Abbysynth]

Repeat after me,

This is not a profession.

This is not a job.

This is a game. Treat it like a game. Please take it less seriously.

[LordLoko]

How do I feel in this thread:



Seriously, how can you generate so much drama, butthurt and tears in a obscure game about spess mahreens killing aliens?

[ParadoxSpace]

jesus christ why is everyone losing their shit just because it's slightly harder to get out of nests
apop was right, you guys are going above and beyond digging old dirt up just to get Abby fired

[forwardslashN]

you guys are going above and beyond digging old dirt up just to get Abby fired

That leaked staff conversation was from within the last two weeks, not months or years, the same time frame LocalizedDownpour became a staff member. I'm going to be honest here, I don't think anyone with that sort of attitude should have mod powers. And in the interest of digging up old dirt, here is a direct quote from Abby's developer application, back in the yonder days of May 5th, 2015:

Your primary job is server development, not policing the server. You may be given Moderator-level of access but you should *not* be invoking any administrative actions unless there are no moderators or admins online. Do you understand? (Yes/No)

I'm down with that, and I think that's a perfectly reasonable policy to have. Coders shouldn't involve themselves too heavily in the game, just enough to understand player issues, balance problems, potential bugs, and so on. A lot of bugs are not posted to forums for months after they're discovered.

And here's another quote all the way back from page three of this thread:

You're talking about literally events that I have run as is my right as an admin and saying I'm abusing my power doing them.

I don't think anyone would really care about this at all if Abby just agreed to tone down her behavior, or at least just recognize that she's not always in the right. I really don't care about the update drama, Sanctum disbanding, or whatever the random weekly complaint is. I do care that the people in charge are competent and fair, and would actually take the time to consider my opinion even though they may not necessarily agree with it. This is why I play CM.

This is a game. Treat it like a game. Please take it less seriously.

Okay.

[Lostmixup]

Didn't he put examples in the earlier post? There's like mile long post with a bunch of pictures and stuff, isn't there evidence for stuff in there (I skimmed over it to be honest)?

*Read over some more of it. In my opinion it does seem that Abby has been just a tiny bit too loose with her power's lately on server and should perhaps be properly held accountable for it. Perhaps severely demoting her power on server for a month or two. Plus, it'll make her have to play like a normal player for a bit which could help her think of new ways to balance things (that's just a bright side I thought of). This all seemed to stem from Abby's behavior on server, which based on what I've heard isn't very good.

In regards to other staff being "unprofessional" that's an issue that just needs some ground rules set. If ahelps are being ignored, then that's something staff need to crack down on. There's literally a button that's like "we received this ahelp," there shouldn't be an issue with it. If there's any issue with a staff member - to the point that it becomes blown out like this, just fire them (this is specifically talking about on the administrative team, not the dev team because they work a tiny bit different) . Honestly, it may be a bit unreasonable, but it's better in the long run than all this drama.

"Calm down, it's just a game guys" may be a true as fuck statement, but there's an expectation of server staff. You may be volunteers, but you're expected to uphold the rules and set an example for the entire server, expected to willingly and helpfully respond to players, and are expected to be actively partaking in the community to an extent and understanding what issues they have. If you're not doing that then you have no place doing any admin/mod work on server. This applies to anyone who has administrative powers on server. If they can't set a good example, don't give them admin powers. If you don't understand this much as staff then you should see yourself out (I would hope none of you retire tomorrow).

As for developer expectations, I personally think that the updates need to come more packaged together rather than in pieces. In case anyone couldn't tell, we, the community, can't see the future for shit. If an update is apart of a larger set of updates, those updates need to come like machine gun fire - otherwise I say just keep the update packed away for a bit longer until the other parts are ready (correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that make it easier to revert too if it's all in one big upload?). This'll keep people from going crazy like they are now about an update that's apart of a larger grand scheme of updates. Sure you won't get as much testing done before the update rolls out, but it's better than a shit storm every week about how an update completely breaks xenos or marines. That's just my personal suggestion about what to do there.

You guys - developers - still do need to uphold the rules and act accordingly on server just like the rest of the staff. The expectations are the same, if not higher for you guys. We appreciate what you do, but just like with being a head it doesn't mean you can do whatever you please on server (you could argue it does but then we'd be getting into a philosophical debate and Abby's actually really good at that so I'm not going to touch that any further >~<). The staff protocols and such apply to every member of staff when on server or off, that's how I see it.

As for Abby's behavior. I haven't firsthand seen anything terrible from Abby since I've retired, but I have been hearing complaints like crazy here and there about the way she conducts herself on server. My suggestion is to strip her of her power (as art stated I think, too lazy to check while writing this) for a time - let's arbitrarily say 3 months - or perhaps make her do some moderator work for a bit to re-learn how to ignore and divert players deal with players a bit better. I get that the second suggestion will take away from her coding time, but it's better than this constantly happening. This is nothing against Abby or anything, I think she does a good job coding for the server. I just think that to quell the current onslaught of complaints, and to show that staff are held accountable for their actions that some form of punishment should be given.

Also, you guys need to hire more coders so she's not the only one doing things man (I know the rest of you guys do stuff, only kidding).

Quick side note, besides when I directly address Abby, the contents of what I just typed out are directed at all staff members, so if you feel that it's being targeted at you then you might need to think about how you are acting on and off server.

*Also, enough with the public apologies. They're coming off more as annoying now. Just take some action, it's better that way.

*ALSO ALSO, Rahl finish that ticket system already.

*ALSO ALSO ALSO, sanctum was just a group of buddies at the point they were disbanded. If you're really that upset it got "disbanded" then make a new one and get over it.

[Lostmixup]

Just did a queen sized edit of my last post, too lazy to copy and paste it into a new post.

[Artouris]

I cannot formulate a proper response at this time. I will do so when I get back home from work.

However I was requested for the second part of the TR Xenoborg logs because I didn't upload it. Here they are.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h3shbeatk7ofn ... 9.htm?dl=0

Also going off what Lost said, this is about the staff as a whole, not only Abby.

EDIT: Also I forgot to address the log picture thing which I can really quickly. I took it to show that they are recent. For people who are inexperienced with logging SS13 and Byond in general I believe. The log format goes like this.

Log [Year]-[Month]-[Day] (Time of Log started)

So if you look at the picture, it was to show that they are not old logs.

[Gentlefood]

Rather than accusing "the staff as a whole" or "all staff". May I suggest you organize a list of staff you have complaints with in a single post and link the appropriate evidence you have to support your complaints? It would likely be a much better system and lead to far less drama if you do so I would think.

Honestly it is a bit disheartening to see the community lash out in all directions against the staff. I joined the moderator team to help the community. Be it with friendly advice, mechanics explanations, or banning griefers. I had fun playing the game alongside you all. And I'd like to think I've done a good job of it. So if you truly feel that "all staff" have been messing up please tell me how I should improve.

[Lostmixup]

Rather than accusing "the staff as a whole" or "all staff". May I suggest you organize a list of staff you have complaints with in a single post and link the appropriate evidence you have to support your complaints? It would likely be a much better system and lead to far less drama if you do so I would think.

Honestly it is a bit disheartening to see the community lash out in all directions against the staff. I joined the moderator team to help the community. Be it with friendly advice, mechanics explanations, or banning griefers. I had fun playing the game alongside you all. And I'd like to think I've done a good job of it. So if you truly feel that "all staff" have been messing up please tell me how I should improve.

I think he's stated earlier whom he has a problem with. He also posted a bunch of evidence on it too, so it's probably in there too. A quick list would be nice though 'cause I'm lazy as well.

*Also quick note on my post. As I said, if you FEEL like what I said is directed at you then you need to re-evaluate how you are acting, or how good a job you're doing as staff and how you can improve. You may not actually be at fault or doing anything wrong, but there's always room for improvement. Ask other staff for feedback, etc. I personally have little problems with most of the staff right now. I don't watch staff anymore, so I haven't been evaluating them as of late. I apologize, but I can't actually give any constructive criticism of most of the staff right now. You can always talk to me on discord though, I'm willing to give advice if you want some tips on a decision or something that you're unsure about.

[Artouris]

After various investigations, confirmations, and discussions I have assembled a list.

Concrete Evidence
1.)TR-Dragon; the xenoborg incident listed above in the thread applies, along with toying around with some commands of the headmin and reports of him in deathsquad blowing people’s heads off with the anti material rifle on the first day of him being headmin.
2.)Abbysynth; Unprofessional actions such as acting as a admin to police the server despite being a coder/developer, along with at times creating events that don’t prove to the enjoyment of a sizable portion of the playerbase, and using predator in roles of supposed testing while many times just ruining immersion or roleplay of either marines or xenos, most often during non-pred rounds.

Heard and confirmed Incidents (no evidence on hand, but actually reported by a few people)
1.)Feweh; General rudeness and unprofessional actions toward players. While supposedly cleared under admin reports, suggested more investigation is at hand along with possibility of many unreported incidents that don’t get brought up. He might also has some contempt toward current and/or past staff members (which someone might want to talk to him about).

General Issues, which don’t exactly have major issues enough to place on the list. These are here to point out some general issues and tension as a server population we sometimes have with staff and serves as points for improvement.

-Lack of responses for Ahelps, this was a major issues before SAS’s resignation which lessened afterwards. However it was possible to see a admin or a moderator on the server and not respond to any ahelp for prolonged periods of time.
-Not notifying us when ahelps are being handled, which is still sometimes an issue that still occurs despite the system that tells you your ahelp is being handled.
Issues with the CL role, in that most CLs nowadays will never receive actual faxes from W-Y, we suggest that either adding a specialized role to respond to the faxes or removal of CL due to the heavy reliance of staff interaction that does not seem to happen. I’ve personally seen this happen once when there were four admins and three mods on and I never got a response throughout the round.
-See the admins or mods actually play the game as a marine or xeno, which does not happen as often anymore and thus is unable to perceive balance changes as the population does (this can help reduce issues with the playerbase as well by having actual interactions with the staff ingame that aren’t clouded by events). Along with seeming more friendly due to the fact they also play the game and not sit in the Admin tower to only dispense justice.
-Events happen to often, not that exactly a bad thing but more often than not it ruins what events are suppose to be, events.

To specifically address Rahl when asked about Abby in specific. While they do often spice up the round; however they come at the expense of occurring too often and the expense of the people in the round. Which is the case with most of the things Abby does. There was originally a point of having Predators being there to spice up a round not every day but every once in an while. Which she circumvents this, which becomes unfair to people who are whitelisted because they don’t have the ability to join in. Nor is it fair to the xenos and marines who end up dying at her hands because someone decided to go play a predator despite clearly it not being a predator round. Which is unprofessional, to ruin people's rounds doing something that would without her powers otherwise never happen in the context of accessibility. (AKA not ruining rounds through events, but using something that would be accessible to anyone in the playerbase.)

It also crosses into being unprofessional when said coder/developer starts policing deadchat. Which does get salty, however there are no requirements to read it. If it’s sort of unavoidable that appears in all the chats you have, then code in a way to personally mute deadchat for admins. There is no need to threaten people. In all honesty it’s not always the events persay that are unprofessional in themselves (other than having predator during a non-pred round) but the reaction to people who are against the event comes to play.

There was a point in CM when events were fairly uncommon, occurring once or twice per day. Which did not ruin the game for people playing it if it went completely south. People could more than one round without a event. However that is not the case when Abby is on. Events happen quite often under her supervision, which as said earlier in the thread at the expense of certain groups of players. There are events that require little to achieve but reward massive benefits which comes at times that are inconvenient. If some of the ship gets blown up happened when marines were turtling, then possibly understandable, but they happen at times quite randomly in the middle of the round.

Also this is also a possible point of contempt, not a personal one, but one I’ve heard. Which is we’re seeing Abby play the predator thing to point of it becomes repetitive or unpleasant. Which could be said of another person, UnknownMurder who played the Metal Gear Solid part a bit more than most people liked. This might also go toward people’s displeasure of Abby.

Along with that, the list will be greatly expanded in hopefully a few days. I’m attempting to have one for the whole staff (excluding host,co-host, and mentors(who don't have powers)). I intended to release it all in one go, but confirming and making sure the information is accurate is a bit hard at times with other things happening.

[Callabaddie]

You tell people to chill out and just play the game, while having tons of red tape and fun-limiters and convoluted meta-rules.

And then the Napoleon and victim complexes shine through in threads like these. On both sides.

If you want to just be chill and play CM, the obsession with "ensuring complete privacy of all staff matters" and the constant condescension and elitism have got to stop. Ivory towers are cancer.

Ditto for players. Piles of salt don't help anyone. Howling about the meta and banging on devs doesn't help anything along.

The admins aren't a federal agency sworn to secrecy. And the player base haven't paid any money.

Lose the volunteer victim mentality. Lose the entitlement complexes. Drop your baggage and have fun.

[apophis775]

It's not privacy on "all staff matters". If you read, you'd see my issue is that because someone in staff posted logs, I won't get full honest talk back from the staff, as they will be worried anything they say will get screenshotted and leaked.

And releasing a big giant list detailed on each individual staff member? At this point, I feel like your just trying to stir more drama and keep this going. It's been a week now and we've made some changes, talked with individuals, and we are working on getting a new headmod and bringing about some additional changes. I think at this point, you need to see how what we have done works out, before you release a big detailed list of what you hate about everyone.

Because honestly, like callabaddie said. It's a game, chill out and play it. It's literally complaints from threads like this, that result in all these extra bullshit rules/conditions/shit we have that is unnecessary except in silly specific conditions that causes salt.

I do try to listen to feedback, but eventually it reaches "nitpicking" levels. Honestly, I do try to listen and affect change as much as I can with feedback, but once it reaches the "let me post a highly detailed list of what each staff member does that I don't like" levels, It's too nitpicky and I'm sorry, but I only have so much patience for things like that.

IF you REALLY want to be taken serious in this, I'd say leave this how it is for now and let us see how the changes we have in place and are still putting into place effect things before you start to seem like someone who just can't be appeased.

[Monoo]

It's literally complaints from threads like this, that result in all these extra bullshit rules/conditions/shit we have that is unnecessary except in silly specific conditions that causes salt.

Guess you have to leave it to the man himself to lay everything out so plainly. I'd been struggling to put the issue I have with this thread into words, and apop just went and summed it up right there.

I've been playing SS13 on and off for years now on different servers, and in every single community there's always the same types people stirring shit up. Whenever anyone decides to be the "agent of change" or the "brutally honest disgruntled server veteran" type, they don't bring any positive change around at all. They just stir up pointless server drama. Literally every single time someone has started shit like this, some important admin somewhere quits in a blaze of hysteria and reddit shits the bed for a week. And the people that started the thread in the first place thrive off the arguments and the name calling.

Really, I'm tired of it. Everywhere I go to hang out with people that like the same game as me I get introduced to soap opera levels of drama and trumped up moodiness.

Hopefully this is out of my system for good. I don't like getting involved, so I'm just gonna go back to pretending none of it happened now.

[Artouris]

I'm getting the list to go with the evidence to go along with said names. Its not a list of "everyone I hate". I'm not making this list by myself in a room going over people I "hate". Ironically the other list that I've been compiling also has people who have proved to be GOOD staff members. Although it seems now that you don't want the list(s)?

I mean I personally stopped caring a while back, however I said I'd make this list that you asked for, along with going over with various people to provide accurate evidence into the issue. I'm not going to post anymore in the topic, its sorta pointless. I'm just going to leave this topic with a last few bits to address Apop here and that's it from me.

First of Apop, no one is going to screenshot the slack. Speak as honestly as you want, you have my guarantee on that. Although you still might not get honest feedback on others in your staff because those people are hella more professional than most when it comes to those issues. Although there will remain a certain tension so to say in the community or server, whichever you want to call it. That won't get resolved. While in some way not many are privy to those tensions. I'm not going to say they won't ever flair up again nor am I going to say they're going to for sure. It all depends on whats going to happen.

All I honestly wanted was more accountability out of certain individuals. Its not my goal to nail them to a cross and burn them, I don't mind if they work for the server. They just need some more oversight and accountability. I wanted honesty and transparency. Because saying take things on faith doesn't work when people are short sighted and lack faith. I will say at times I am among those people, but that's a good chunk of the people who play the server. So hell, I'm done. Which might be to the disappointment of some others, but I stopped caring before I even posted this topic. I saw the chance to hopefully improve things. While this might not have been the best route, it was the one that happened. Not much you can do about that now.

Although one last request, which if you haven't already is a apology to Jack honestly. He didn't do anything.

[Westhybrid]

Although one last request, which if you haven't already is a apology to Jack honestly. He didn't do anything.

Which one? What does he have to do with anything?

[Artouris]

Which one? What does he have to do with anything?

Jack McIntyre, the one who got lynched by the admin hunt.

If you actually look back, Apop didn't fire him for inactivity, it was because "he made his views with the staff clear" which more than tells me he got fired in the hunt for the leak.

[apophis775]

Um no, there was no Lynching. Again, you are going off of hearsay and rumors taken out of context trying to be an "internet white knight of justice". I mean, if you were AT ALL aware of the situation (which, not being staff, you weren't unless Jack wanted to make you aware), you wouldn't be demanding an apology. But again, this is because regular players aren't privy to our inner staff workings. Part of the reason the explanation said that, was because the website was crashing while I was posting the actual update (and while I was talking with Jack) and thus, I replied before I finished typing, which is why I fixed it as soon as I realized it.

The situation was this:

A little over a month ago, he was brought back onto staff as a Trialmin. He then didn't log into the server, for about 25 days and was set to fail his trialminship. This was pretty much decided before the drama incident happened.

Then, he had a moment of extreme drama in StaffChat, where he said
"I've been done with CM for a long time, I only came back because Skinner made me a Trialmin". Which was what I referred to as his "view with staff chat".

Again, the decision to remove him, was proposed BEFORE this topic, and a majority of the drama happened. It didn't happen till during, because I was waiting on final input from staff members. I then, proceeded to attempt to contact him over the period of several hours while he was online (listed as AFK in-game). I wrote him a forum message, and he replied to me in-game, we then talked over Skype for around an hour about how his removal had nothing to do with the drama, and was mostly due to his inactivity and his outburst. He wanted to be very clear that he didn't burn the bridge of coming back to CM one day if he wanted (which he hasn't).

It was a combination of his attitude at the time where CM was sort of just a thing he was doing for the trialmin and that he had "given up on us" in the past.

There was no "admin hunt" and no-one was removed for this drama (with the exception of NoShamNoWow, due to his public resignation).


This is the problem, with people "crusading" like this, your LOOKING for things wrong in EVERYTHING, even when there's nothing there.

[Artouris]

Then I rescind that request. I assumed it was actually something that happened at the moment. I apologize on my behalf.

[Feweh]

Jack McIntyre, the one who got lynched by the admin hunt.

If you actually look back, Apop didn't fire him for inactivity, it was because "he made his views with the staff clear" which more than tells me he got fired in the hunt for the leak.

Ya, youre a bit out of control with this now

You made a good initial point, but its being lost in your personal vendetta and crusade now.
Its gone past reasonable logic and gotten to the point we're no one is taking you seriously anymore.

I don't disagree with everything you've said, in fact I agree with many. Just take a step back and let things run their course for a bit.
Its time to stop before you completely discredit yourself in the future.

[tenshar]

Can we all stop talking about the problem and try working on solutions? By now the dead horse is so badly kicked it could only be used for glue or dog food.

As apop asked for suggestions and few seem to be coming from this I have one I figured might as well throw out there. Perhaps we should set a bit of time aside each week for games designated "Active testing in Progress" games where some of these more confusing actions resultant of testing can occur at designated times ((extended if need be depending on the testing)). And outside of these days the allowed actions of devs without general before hand notice or prep can be cooled down, so people are not running into such odd situations in the name of testing. If this doesn't work then perhaps during off days simply reduce Dev power to a point where it cannot be abused other then basic debugging and such to prep for a release day. Mind you of course if somtheing comes up the Devs could request a round or two be designated as testing rounds.

Other option would be a test server, small pop 5-10 admin/dev/staff access only where Devs have full power but on the play server only some basic debug/ahelp response powers.

We cannot afford to loose the devs we have, they are rare as it is both an effort in time, energy and patience to fix the issues servers can run into and make new changes but if any dev is unable to at least act with the professional attitude admins are expected to have ((but sometimes forget, as I've seen admins once in a while take an issue as a personal attacks)) they should generally be asked to avoid directly using their powers to interact with the players without some kind of heads up to at least one admin tier member so the admin can let them know if they think doing such is a bad idea as sometimes we all make bad decisions in the name of de-stressing. Think of it like having your buddy take your keys before you go drive home after a night after the bar, without it you may end up killing someone or yourself ((or in this case ruining someones day or the reputation of the server)).

And with that I suggest locking this thing before we somehow manage to turn a dead horse into a black hole of anger.


Though..((and this is to any staff member really as it can relate to a number of different situations but)) I'd like to address this to Abby, I hope perhaps in time you will get better at hiding the hostility you can sometimes show, stupid people do stupid things, doesn't mean we have to go to their level. Your reaction when asked to apologize to a certain player ((who was horribly out of place in how they handled the situation and treated you)) wasn't handled in a way that normally at a job you would be able to get away with. In my years working various jobs I've had people scream in my face, throw their drinks at me, even punch me a few times and if I had ever reacted as you did in this situation, justified as I might have felt I would of been let go by the end of the day. And I speak as someone who when they were growing up had a very short fuse and got into more fights then I can count. You could of taken the higher ground, but you instead slogged down into the muck and tar that they wanted you in and let yourself be engulfed by it. I know it happens but as a staff member and one of those who make up the face and reputation of this server it is important you don't show that kind of hostility in the open.

I just had to say something...too many folks taking sides and not simply judging the situation as it is, instead doing so through rose colored glasses based on friendships or hatreds. We make mistakes, staff are no different then you or I and you wouldn't want a lynch mob to hang you just because you got pissed off or made a mistake. You or I would want to realize we have an issue and then with time try to fix our issue, the same goes for staff.