Stop Complaining

[Adjective]

I'd like to start this post off by saying I am immensely disappointed in the community and some staff members as of late. Whether it was because of SAS departing from the staff team or TR-Blackdragon being hired as HeadAdmin, Lostmixup resigining from HeadModerator, or Absynth for an Update or Predator play. Everyone seems to decide they need to share an opinion without knowing any of the facts. I as an administrator am given a larger amount of information on these situations and some of it is expected to stay confidential for either server safety, common respect, or update timers. However, multiple players and staff have taken it upon themselves to look at a situation and exaggerate, or overlook important details, or whine and cry, or share an opinion declaring it is the opinion of everyone and everything.

On the subject of Admin Abuse

Yes, yes, Admin abuses power, player complains, player is told nothing is wrong, player assumes Admins are immune to rules. Allow me to demonstrate a couple of examples where this was not the case: TotalAnarchy, Caryl, Unknown Murderer, and many more. Staff who break rules, regardless of position do not remain staff for very long. Players need to understand that there is a lot more that goes into a situation and sometimes they do not see it all. To avoid bias, staff are restricted from dealing with cases that involve them. If you have a problem with a staff member, report it and it will be investigated. More frequently than not, if you really look into a lot of staff reports. The staff member tends to not be the one at fault and it tends to be some player that feels they are either A: Above the rules, B: Trying to get their friend unbanned, or C: A miscommunication. I cannot say it enough, if you have a problem with a staff member discuss it with them or file a report. Most staff members are willing to hear your concerns and learn from them, so long as you do not present them with a tongue of acid.

On the subject of SAS Resigning

SAS had been our HeadAdmin for quite a lengthy period of time. He had taken the position when UnknownMurder had to depart in a similar fashion to SAS. All players deserve respect and these two especially deserve a hell of a lot more respect than they are currently receiving from the community and staff team. He was constantly pressured with more and more tasks in game without a HeadModerator for assistance and had stress in the real world as well. Details aside, SAS finally had LostMixup promoted due to staff noticing he had a lot on his plate and making it a necessity to have a HeadMod. Over time, SAS was just consumed by stress and eventually made some bad decisions that got him charged with abuse of power. SAS eventually resigned by his OWN decision believe it or not.

On the subject of Lostmixup Resigning

He's Lostmixup. He got bored of administrating and wanted to go back to being a normal player. He didn't even really quit CM, he still plays frequently and is active on the forums. You can literally talk to him and he'll say just about the same thing. There isn't always a second meaning or grand reason behind staff members leaving. There was no staff conflict that caused him to resign and there is not "progressive amount of staff resigning".

On the topic of Absynth

Abby is a developer. She developed the game and creates new content and fixes bugs. She created Alpha, she created Predators, she designed all the Spec guns, she designed the new bullet path she designed Crushers and Boilers, she designed ERT's, she made Hunger Games, she made XenoBorgs, she made the ground map everyone seems to love so much. She is a human being and she works on things she finds to be the most necessary to work on. Understand that she is one of 5 people who work on coding and she is not your worker. She does not work on the snap of your fingers or work under what you demand be done. Players don't go to Apophis and snap their fingers to be revived, it doesn't work that way. I'm disappointed in all the players and staff that approach Abby who works hard in her own free time to improve on CM, demanding something be made, changed, or reverted. Although she has a habit of testing things at the wrong time, or occasionally causing a lot of immersion breaking, everything Abby does is in the "Grand Design" method. Abby is like any other staff member and she is also not immune to punishment. Everything everyone does is looked, Abby was at one point disciplined and was at one point revoked of Admin level powers. She worked hard and earned those powers back.

On the topic of Hunter Games

It's a minigame. Stop complaining, it's not an every round match type. Most player wait all day to play Hunter Games the one or two times it is running. We understand that some people enjoy playing vanilla CM, that's good and fine. But understand, that if we were to consider Hunter Games in time duration, most last 20-30 minutes. Vanilla CM lasts for upwards of 2-3 hours. Hunter games is only ran by Head/Host and nobody wants to hear negative feedback because you got killed in 2 minutes. Every round of CM a survivor gets killed withing the first two minutes and you don't see them crying Vanilla CM was a horrible idea.

On the topic of Resin Nesting

Most of you don't even get out of nests longer than 2 seconds before getting re-nested. Your odds of escaping are actually higher now that there isn't a need for a sentinel to sit 1 tile above you until you stand, just to tackle and nest you again. In lore, you would't even be able to break free unless someone cut you out with a welder. Regardless, this update was a stepping stone to an update that most people will be especially excited about. In reality, there is never any fun in being caught or infected, so those that bring up "It's fun for nobody being stuck in a nest yelling in your radio" don't realize they are already doing that same exact thing with a Sentinel watching them in the middle of a checkerboard nest.

Let me do a little history lesson in CM for all of you.

Xeno's Op because they could strip marines
Marines Op because they could flamethrower everything to death including the Queen and Ravagers(Which were slow nobody bothered to involve into because they sucked.) and Aliens ability to strip marines removed.
Xeno's Op, Queen and Ravager buffed and immune to fire.
Marines Op, Xeno's tackle nerfed and facehugger down time nerfed and nesting times reduced.
Marines more Op, Sadar introduced.
Xeno's Op, Facehugger infection and embryo growth faster. Crusher introduced.
Marines Op, Gun damage increased significantly to where 2 shots could kill any Tier 1, 4 Shots could kill a Ravager.
Xeno's Op, Xeno stats increased and Boiler introduced.
Marines Op, Xeno's stat nerfed.
Xeno's Op, Xeno's stat buffed and default LZ alterered eggs insta leap.
Marines Op, Xeno eggs nerfed.
Marines/Xeno Tide differences, Gun patching, aiming change. Underbelly G-Launcher , Stat changes in Xeno's
Xeno Op, Nesting with cuffs.

What happens next in this strange pattern of back and forth? Cause I can still find and bring to light dozens of posts in all these situations where players complained endlessly and stated "CM is going down, staff are resigning ect.."


The complaining needs to stop. All of you have a right to an opinion and you all have a right to participate in, or depart from CM. However, I will not continue to sit idle while everyone goes about disrespecting each other. Facts are facts, times change and people come and go. However, there is no need to EVER disrespect someone or spread rumors that have not even edged anywhere near the truth.

[Azmodan412]

Amen.

[ParadoxSpace]

Abby has provided so damn much for us
(and some interesting rp scenarios for me)
You guys should be just a shade more grateful

[MrJJJ]

Let's go through this history one by one, because i actually was in pre-alpha and know how it was like, and i felt like you taking it too litteraly.

Xeno's Op because they could strip marines


I remember such time yes, it was awfull, they were not op, but it was awfull

Marines Op because they could flamethrower everything to death including the Queen and Ravagers(Which were slow nobody bothered to involve into because they sucked.) and Aliens ability to strip marines removed.

I would not say they were OP, but the Queen and ravager were ridciously slow yeah, but flamethrower caused issues to everyone, so not sure this is really OP


Xeno's Op, Queen and Ravager buffed and immune to fire.

Thats a lie, because queen and ravager became immune and buffed meant not much, as they could still be killed as almost as before, and other castes were not immune to fire, so this is not OP


Marines Op, Xeno's tackle nerfed and facehugger down time nerfed and nesting times reduced.

This is probably the phase where it became a little bit more balanced, it forced aliens to adapt and get robust


Marines more Op, Sadar introduced.

More balance, more FF, more marine deaths, easier kills if you have the SADAR and not fuck up the shot, more forced xenos to become robuster

Xeno's Op, Facehugger infection and embryo growth faster. Crusher introduced.

This is where it started to go downhill with the crusher, due to that stupid stun of his and alike, the 2 other were not minded that much although it felt for me it reversed the old decision a bit


Marines Op, Gun damage increased significantly to where 2 shots could kill any Tier 1, 4 Shots could kill a Ravager.

This is what made xenos forced to become more robuster to dodge the damn shots instead of going like tanks and killing 5 marines no problem and still have more than half health, but the damage felt a bit too high and it basically made xenos cannon fodder


Xeno's Op, Xeno stats increased and Boiler introduced.

Not sure what increased there, other than speed, health and etc, boiler is not that bad honestly, his gas is lethal in only certain conditions, and his fragile as fuck


Marines Op, Xeno's stat nerfed.

Not sure what was nerfed here?

Xeno's Op, Xeno's stat buffed and default LZ alterered eggs insta leap.

Why did you guys buffed, then nerfered, then re-buffed the aliens is beyond me, the eggs were probably needed but the manner they used now is unforgivable

Marines Op, Xeno eggs nerfed.

How on earth are marines OP because a mechanic that was abused was nerfed?

Marines/Xeno Tide differences, Gun patching, aiming change. Underbelly G-Launcher , Stat changes in Xeno's

This is a wierd one, as the aiming has become much worser and its harder to hit a xeno that is actively dodging or not in a straight line, underbelly g-launcher is usefull if you time it right.


Xeno Op, Nesting with cuffs.

This is where we are, and xenos have indeed become stupid as shit with this



What happens next in this strange pattern of back and forth? Cause I can still find and bring to light dozens of posts in all these situations where players complained endlessly and stated "CM is going down, staff are resigning ect.."


I don't remember in pre-alpha anybody saying this, neither in alpha, this is actually one of the first times, along with a few months ago, like, 2-4 months? that people said this, and it may be right because of the way its going with staff and alike.


The complaining needs to stop. All of you have a right to an opinion and you all have a right to participate in, or depart from CM. However, I will not continue to sit idle while everyone goes about disrespecting each other. Facts are facts, times change and people come and go. However, there is no need to EVER disrespect someone or spread rumors that have not even edged anywhere near the truth.

Coming from a staff member, you should know this shit will ALWAYS happen, and its unstoppable with not ruining everything.

[LordeKilly]

This isn't ok. You don't tell people to stop complaining EVER. The second admins start trying to scare players into not trying to solve problems in the staff is the second they become tyrants. You honestly think you can just say, "stop complaining, we're doing nothing wrong, so just stop." What happens when you do? You believe you should stay? I don't, but making a post about stopping people from using their voice in the community is fucked up, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Now yes, some of the reports are outrageous and stupid, but you shouldn't go and do something like this, instead make a post saying we should all love eachother and yada yada. On the subject of abby, she's great, she made everything new, that's fantastic, but she is immune. Majority of predator reports have been either aimed towards abby, or apop. I've seen maybe one stray, and that was a bogus one for jones. Abby has gotten away with a lot of shit, and it's mainly from sugarcoating what she does. "Oh, she's been talked to," "Oh, she's been put on suspension." It's all bull. If I learned one thing in this community, is people say a lot of idle shit, and you just have to pucker up and get with it. But don't post on the forums how admins are godly figures, you're all wrong about what you think, and that you shouldn't complain because we know more than you.

[SASoperative]

This isn't ok. You don't tell people to stop complaining EVER. The second admins start trying to scare players into not trying to solve problems in the staff is the second they become tyrants. You honestly think you can just say, "stop complaining, we're doing nothing wrong, so just stop." What happens when you do? You believe you should stay? I don't, but making a post about stopping people from using their voice in the community is fucked up, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Now yes, some of the reports are outrageous and stupid, but you shouldn't go and do something like this, instead make a post saying we should all love eachother and yada yada. On the subject of abby, she's great, she made everything new, that's fantastic, but she is immune. Majority of predator reports have been either aimed towards abby, or apop. I've seen maybe one stray, and that was a bogus one for jones. Abby has gotten away with a lot of shit, and it's mainly from sugarcoating what she does. "Oh, she's been talked to," "Oh, she's been put on suspension." It's all bull. If I learned one thing in this community, is people say a lot of idle shit, and you just have to pucker up and get with it. But don't post on the forums how admins are godly figures, you're all wrong about what you think, and that you shouldn't complain because we know more than you.

I hate to be that guy... But he makes more than a fair point. One of my most famous qoutes that I have said on this server is as followed "You require to know where you went wrong in order to make it right" By stating not to complain or not to tell you what is wrong... I mean I will not lie the way they are going about stating these complaints etc are rather poor. However they are required in order to know what you need to fix in order to make your playerbase happy. After all a satisfied playerbase is a requirement to keeping a server alive... Criticism is a virtue in succeeding or failing. However the choice on if you wish to take said criticism and than use it to the best of your abilities in order to make the most of it is up to you.
Players who are not satisfied can take leave and find new places to spend their time with. This is a free server and game that they do not have to pay for and if anything during my time as a staff member here I felt like I was helping a community regardless of how small it is. Some of the community might be angry. Some of it might be happy. However in this strange yet fucked up community that we have all brought ourselves together into that is Aliens Colonial Marines 2d sphessmen we all have one common interest. And so long as this community can bring it together and bring their problems to staff in a more professional manner I feel like a much more... Productive outcome could emerge. However. To tell players in as stated above what almost feels like scaring players into not complaining... That is not the proper way to go...

[Adjective]

My immediate problem is players complainging without facts and making their statements personal attacks. There is no threats or "staff scaring players" as Killy tries to call it. This was me sharing information and stating I am dissatisfied with the personal attacks which regardless, already violate CM rules.

Second, I was part of pre-Alpha and part of Pre-CM. Additionally, quoting me, but writing in the quote is just about the hardest chunk of information to decipher.

[TeknoKot]

https://youtu.be/5DmYLrxR0Y8

WHY MUST STAFF BE OPPRESSIVE TYRANTS
WHY MUST COMMUNITY ARGUE ABOUT BEING OPRESSED.. WHEN THEY'RE NOT
WHY MUST THERE BE BUFFS AND NERFS
WHY IS ABBY SUCH A HITLER FOR DOING 30 MINUTE HUNGER GAME ROUNDS TWICE OR MORE PER WEEK.

[Jack McIntyre]

Well they didn't know any update was coming after this one Vrai can't say I blame them for being upset. I mean they see something which myself and other staff brought up last night and after a discussion about it, and finding out there was part of a larger upgrade plan did we react like the community would have. Players just don't want to feel ignored or the fact we are not listening to them. I said this last night and apparantly I was the bad guy for it. That is why I kept trying to do the discussion, but when Abby was saying she was laughing over all the complaints then that is when the community has the right to be upset.

[Adjective]

Let's go through this history one by one, because i actually was in pre-alpha and know how it was like, and i felt like you taking it too litteraly.

Also, avoiding personal opinions, but it is very easy to notice each of your statements are marine biased. You say each Xeno nerf or marine buff is a "Need for Xeno to be more robust". Yet each xeno buff is "stupid or a bad idea".

Additionally, each state change makes significant difference. Boilers on first release were able to make dozens of clouds over one.

Finally, calling me a liar doesn't really do much, especially when that is what I use as an example of a personal attack.

[MrJJJ]

Also, avoiding personal opinions, but it is very easy to notice each of your statements are marine biased. You say each Xeno nerf or marine buff is a "Need for Xeno to be more robust". Yet each xeno buff is "stupid or a bad idea".


Give xeno a buff, they will find shit tons of ways to abuse it to full extent, marines on other hand, can't exactly abuse they mechanics, xenos had no need to be cannon fodder but neither tanks, xeno and marine victories and tactics and such should be skill based, not relying on abusing the shit out of mechanics and such, in pre-alpha, hunters were the best out of fucking best castes you would choose, they had insane health that was hard to take down, they damage and tackle were good, their speed was hard to catch up to, and they could easily come out of nowhere, hug a few people, tackle them and still have more than half the health, now they much better than before, Xenos litteraly could tank so many bullets it was stupid as shit, they had no real skill requirment to play and they could walk into the open, hug a marine, and run away despite all the bullets shot, and they would still be more than half the damn health, which is why nerfing they health and buffing gun damage made them much, much more cannon fodder, making them get actually robustness and skill and to try and dodge shots a lot, a lot fucking more, and they still need to now, i never said that a xeno buff was also a stupid or bad idea, only on the final one, the current one where we are, if you actually read my posts, not in the slightest have i been biased to anyone, marines or xenos, IDC, i play both sides, and i recently been playing marine more than alien because its much, much more FUN.





Additionally, each state change makes significant difference. Boilers on first release were able to make dozens of clouds over one.


I don't think thats a problem unless you are in enclosed space, they are fragile as shit.



Finally, calling me a liar doesn't really do much, especially when that is what I use as an example of a personal attack.

I called you a liar once, on the sentence that you said "Oh mah god, Queen and ravager became immune to fire and became stronger like they should have, XENOS OP" which is clearly bullshit

I don't see your point still

[Derpislav]

*complains about this thread*

[Feweh]

Vrai titled this thread wrongly and gave off the wrong vibe.
It's obvious she didn't mean any offense as no one was really targeted with any malicious intent.

Thing are in the works guys, just give the dev team some time.

[MasterZ01]

@ Adjective, Which Pre-Alpha staff member were you again? I was also Staff. I'm quite conflicted when it comes to this topic, so I'll reserve my opinion.

[MrJJJ]

It's obvious she didn't mean any offense as no one was really targeted with any malicious intent.

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No seriously, why do i keep finding out some staff was actually females in the wrong time ;-;

[TeknoKot]

WTFISTHISSHITWHYWASINOTINFORMEDOFTHISOMFGHOWANDWHYNOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWTFAAAAAURGHUIAHWDUIAHSFHFUIAUHFOFAOHFASHOSH

No seriously, why do i keep finding out some staff was actually females in the wrong time ;-;

OH NO IT'S A GIRL MY WHITE KNIGHT PRIVILEGES GOT REMOVED

[Derpislav]

No seriously, why do i keep finding out some staff was actually females in the wrong time ;-;

You have reached such a level of internet neckbeardry you don't tip your fedora anymore. You aggressively shove it off and on.

[TeknoKot]

WTFISTHISSHITWHYWASINOTINFORMEDOFTHISOMFGHOWANDWHYNOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWTFAAAAAURGHUIAHWDUIAHSFHFUIAUHFOFAOHFASHOSH

No seriously, why do i keep finding out some staff was actually females in the wrong time ;-;

[DMAN]

Eh, people will shuffle their shit and stir up some drama, so it's best to not mind them. Not everyone is a reasonable(there are people who absolutely act like assholes and there is no beating around the bush about that) real human bean(memes) or acting rationally 24/7. Most of the people who are complaining are just frustrated about the sudden shift in how they play CM, so it's a natural process of accustoming to it and getting back into a "comfort zone" that's now lost to them. When I say "comfort zone" I mean knowing the game's mechanics well enough and such as such to have fun each time for the most part, from knowing what to do and where to go and yadadada. Let some individuals beat salt and then vent and then finally get to that point where they think more about what's going on and realize they're being a bit abrasive and unfair. Also, MrJJJ, don't take the teasing to heart, but have a change of heart, eh, eh, eh...?

With time and solid updates the balance will "tip"(subtle fedora jokes) in the right direction and all will be swell, and that's not an easy feat whatsoever. Wouldn't go about the situation pressuring for changes and slinging shit, I'd just remain calm and carry along. I have faith in the devs to get all settled, and they're doing a pretty damn good job regardless of hiccups that have altered the game play too drastically in the past. Learn from your mistakes, don't dwell on them. We're all here to have a good time, so why piss on that?

[Adjective]

@ Adjective, Which Pre-Alpha staff member were you again? I was also Staff. I'm quite conflicted when it comes to this topic, so I'll reserve my opinion.

Vrai

[LordeKilly]

My immediate problem is players complaining without facts and making their statements personal attacks. There is no threats or "staff scaring players" as Killy tries to call it. This was me sharing information and stating I am dissatisfied with the personal attacks which regardless, already violate CM rules.

Second, I was part of pre-Alpha and part of Pre-CM. Additionally, quoting me, but writing in the quote is just about the hardest chunk of information to decipher.

It's not against the rules to complain. If someone is shit talking you, you just ignore it, take a picture and put it in the report they'll file. There is nothing wrong with complaining, if the players don't like something, it's probably not a good thing. I'm not doubting later buffs and tweaks will change this, but there isn't a need for anyone (including the staff) to start acting like a dick about it. We used to be a functioning community who was fairly friendly to each other, and now that we've got a rotation of staff who haven't been trained for CM (and yes, don't try to tell me they train anyone at all. They gave me minimal training when I first signed on a year ago, and I know for a fact they still don't. Even if you admined another server, CM is an overhaul and needs specific training and conditioning to suit it's needs and rules.) aren't helping the situation that we have a single developer who controls a monopoly on the entire staff, which is the reason why most of the staff is brownnosing abby. I have nothing against her, but from the shit she's said and the toxic crap she's brought to the community it pisses me off she's had no punishment or reprimand. This update has brought nothing but shit, which is the reason why this topic exists, sanctum disbanded, and sham got removed. It's not ok, and the community WILL fucking die if we keep going on like this.

On a side note, i'm not trying to start shit, i'm just stating it how I see it. I've been here a while and i've seen the community change first hand, and something needs to be done.

[TeknoKot]

We used to be a functioning community who was fairly friendly to each other, and now that we've got a rotation of staff who haven't been trained for CM (and yes, don't try to tell me they train anyone at all. They gave me minimal training when I first signed on a year ago, and I know for a fact they still don't. Even if you admined another server, CM is an overhaul and needs specific training and conditioning to suit it's needs and rules.)

I have to agree with this point. Most of moderators are mostly on a "ban hunt" as I call it, trying to find very little reasons to ban a player. Some mods rarely ever get on the server and when they do, they find some poor lad who accidently fired, someone walked on the bullet, got hit, was called out a blatant griefer and tried to get as many punishments on as possible for him to make a hell. We should focus on more biased staff that do enforce rules, but not with outright banning and not talking for remainder of round.

edit:: these mods know what I'm talking about.

edit2x:: Also, I don't know why Sanctum, or any other disbanded groups, has to do with what's going on. Not much contribution was given and only certain players were picked.

[Feweh]

I have to agree with this point. Most of moderators are mostly on a "ban hunt" as I call it, trying to find very little reasons to ban a player. Some mods rarely ever get on the server and when they do, they find some poor lad who accidently fired, someone walked on the bullet, got hit, was called out a blatant griefer and tried to get as many punishments on as possible for him to make a hell. We should focus on more biased staff that do enforce rules, but not with outright banning and not talking for remainder of round.

This is extremely false.
Players are never banned for accidentally discharging a weapon, or accidentally hitting someone with FF.
We do make mistakes and there are times that we don't understand the whole issue... but players can make appeals and are often un-banned.

We're one of the few servers on SS13 who have entire PROCESSES and voting system around bans/appeals and warnings.
Most servers will permanently ban you based off of your actions in-game instantly with little discussion.
Plenty of times I've vouched for players in this community who are up for perm-bans, just based on the fact that I believe they are good players and made "mistakes".

We also HAVE TO take direct and instant actions on our server. Everyone is armed and has a weapon that could instantly snowball into a massive gun-fight if we don't intervene quickly. Other servers can easily revive or deal with 1-2 people shooting people, we don't have that leisure. We probably DO ban more people than most servers, but remember we have the HIGHEST player-count and EVERYONE has access to a weapon for EASY grief.

[LordeKilly]

This is extremely false.
Players are never banned for accidentally discharging a weapon, or accidentally hitting someone with FF.
We do make mistakes and there are times that we don't understand the whole issue... but players can make appeals and are often un-banned.

We're one of the few servers on SS13 who have entire PROCESSES and voting system around bans/appeals and warnings.
Most servers will permanently ban you based off of your actions in-game instantly with little discussion.
Plenty of times I've vouched for players in this community who are up for perm-bans, just based on the fact that I believe they are good players and made "mistakes".

We also HAVE TO take direct and instant actions on our server. Everyone is armed and has a weapon that could instantly snowball into a massive gun-fight if we don't intervene quickly. Other servers can easily revive or deal with 1-2 people shooting people, we don't have that leisure. We probably DO ban more people than most servers, but remember we have the HIGHEST player-count and EVERYONE has access to a weapon for EASY grief.

So you're ok with no training at all? I mean, thats the purpose of the headmin and headmod, they're not just a glory position for people to spice up their ego on. They have responsibilities. The trial period should be a testing period, and a training period. Shit needs to be organized, and done right.

[TeknoKot]

This is extremely false.
Players are never banned for accidentally discharging a weapon, or accidentally hitting someone with FF.
We do make mistakes and there are times that we don't understand the whole issue... but players can make appeals and are often un-banned.

I just wanna raise a hand, I remember firing a couple warning shots and a poor lad just running into it. After I saw him get hit, I quickly threw the SMG away, his armour absorbed all the shots. Suddenly, I get a bwoink about griefing. Was told I'd get a four day ban and a permanent job ban from command. It was a 97 player highpop round, Sulaco already had C4 holes everywhere, and after the facepaint was introduced, they C4d cargo, about 8-10 marines rushed to get it. Called MP, none avail, told the marines to leave, they refused. This is when I picked up an SMG for those warning shots. They scattered out of cargo calling me a murderer, yet I haven't even barely damaged something.

Note, the player did not die, he was not even BLEEDING. If it wasn't for TR coming on, I don't think I'd be playing at all now.

edit:: I'm not calling out everyone is bad, I'm just saying a lot of stuff is done without much thought.