The recent influx of "snowflake" players ruining commanding players rounds and why it should end.

[TeknoKot]

Hi, I'm probably one of those commanding players, and I really do enjoy playing command, but there's been a recent influx with old veteran names going beyond and making up the SHITTIEST excuses you can think of to disobey someone who's actually trying to give their effort into the round, here's what I have to say..

I HAVE SEEN NEW PLAYERS DO MUCH MORE SHIT THAN THESE SNOWFLAKES WHO'VE DONE JACK SHIT RECENTLY BUT STILL GET PRAISED FOR.

It is annoying, DON'T PLAY MARINE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO JACK SHIT BUT ACCEPT ALL THOSE UNWORTHY PRAISES TO YOURSELF.

THERE are reasons YOU CAN ignore commanding players.

1. The orders are silly and dumb, it'll get marines and yourself in danger.
2. The commanding player is a newbie and doesn't know what to do, AHELP ABOUT IT AND LET STAFF MENTOR THEM.
3. The commanding player doesn't understand what's going on, what to do, TELL him about everything, if he still doesn't get it, THEN do your own.
4. OVERALL INCOMPETENCE.

Now, this shit should end because a lot of new players don't get the attention needed, I've seen players such as Dakota Wilo, I praised them for playing nicely, I didn't really give much shit on the wrongs they did. You can get ICly mad on newbies, but we all have to keep a tendency on LOOC hate, unless they're a horrible doctor. Snowflakes who dare to just do jack shit do not CONTRIBUTE TO OTHERS ENJOYMENT mainly. If your character hates the commanding player ICly? NOT an excuse to DISOBEY and FUCK the round up. EVERY marine is contributing to the round on whatever they're doing, LET it be killing a drone or a runner.

Before someone goes "but kottt, u someteims ignor orders lel", YES, IF COMMAND IS SHIT, IF COMMAND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. I'VE NEVER DISOBEYED ANY OTHER COMMAND PLAYERS WHO WERE /GOOD/.

All in all, players who play command have MUCH more experience and MUCH more combat skills, as well as knowing the game very well and understanding what and where some stuff are, please, follow them, stop being a shitter. I really want a rule enforced on medics/engineers/specialists regarding this order disobeyment, standards can do whatever they want, they're learning the game or trying to have fun, but those roles are VITAL for the rounds.

[Zygman]

6/10 rant.

[KeyWii]

5/10 rant.

[Perfectian]

This comrade is a bitchy pussy!

[apophis775]

Actually, it's against the RP guidelines (which are enforced are part of the rules) to disobey legitimate, legal orders.

[TeknoKot]

Actually, it's against the RP guidelines (which are enforced are part of the rules) to disobey legitimate, legal orders.

It is? I have never seen it be enforced.

[blute]

sorry I couldn't understand you with all those alternating caps locks and poor structure

[apophis775]

Check the RP guidelines. If you are giving legit orders and someone disobeys, have them arrested by the MPs if they are on the ship. If planetside, try and Ahelp and we'll usually tell them to "follow orders".

[TeknoKot]

sorry I couldn't understand you with all those alternating caps locks and poor structure

It's okay man, I didn't understand what you meant too without capitalizing and putting a dot at the end of the sentence, but I think I got it.

[blute]

It's okay man, I didn't understand what you meant too without capitalizing and putting a dot at the end of the sentence, but I think I got it.

why such hostility, who ticked you off today?

[LordLoko]

[Grypho]

No guys, I think he has a point. Here´s my experience

> joins as BO
> overwatch Alpha
> tell Alpha to scout the Nexus and southern side of river and report after that
> 2 mins of radio silence, nobody responds ANYTHING even though I see Squad leader moving (via helmet camera)
> squad marine says: I think I am the only one alive here
> I say: I can see someone with SL camera helmet
> SL says: No shit, SL helmet was made for camera to be in it
(SL rude and showing signs of non-co-operative behavior for no reason. I roast him back)
> I say: And your mouth was invented for reporting to your BO.
> 30 mins of radio silence


Yeah this has to stop, it is shitty. Even if you give legitimate and good orders, people completely disregard what you say or you get sarcastic trash talk back.

Then I check this guy´s character dossier who played SL, it says "Hates BOs, XOs and COs".
Really, you have been made squad leader by them and they trust you, and you hate them? Alright mate no idea how you got promotion in the first place with that attitude.

8/10 rant

[ParadoxSpace]

Much like influxes of xenos not following Queen orders

[Nubs]

The massive amounts of 'snow flakiness', egotism and terrible current marine mentality are a few of the reasons i am currently taking a break from this server.

[Ocnjak20]

Does it count when CO goes Full Dick Mode and arrests SL for messing around with Smokes on Sulaco?

Because I mean, CO that was leading the round that I was in came in MP with lethal and begun shooting me and SL that I have freed from Brig. He was in custody for ridiculous thing like that, he did not hurt anyone or damage property just gave me a good laugh. Thank God to the Staff members which came on Sulaco and have sent Commando's to deal with those guys.

In the end I was alive and they have died, laughable but true.

[Surrealistik]

Cliquish favouritism among veteran players/regulars is just as much a cancer; like Squad Leaders being obvious OOC friends (or worse, IC and OOC so you can't get them to stop by pointing out the OOC exclusive connection) with a squad mate with the both of them dumping on you, or having you always do the dangerous, near suicidal shit while you can't do anything about it (except get a squad transfer) because the SL is your superior officer.

[Mitchs98]

I myself only disobey orders when they ARE shit. Personally though, I don't see how it can be enforced(OOCly) for players to HAVE to follow all order. They aren't aliens without free will, they're humans with it. Sure they stand charge to get executed, brigged, etc. But, still. As long as people are only doing it against completely idiotic orders or against a command crew that barely speaks english, I don't see the problem. IC exsists for a reason.

[TeknoKot]

I myself only disobey orders when they ARE shit. Personally though, I don't see how it can be enforced(OOCly) for players to HAVE to follow all order. They aren't aliens without free will, they're humans with it. Sure they stand charge to get executed, brigged, etc. But, still. As long as people are only doing it against completely idiotic orders or against a command crew that barely speaks english, I don't see the problem. IC exsists for a reason.

I already made most points you just stated. But hello Anya Allen player, IC exists for a reason, and that's primarily roleplaying, not an excuse to disobey your SL for being someone you hate just to ruin their round because "oh god fuck that guy".

Also, lol on the opening statement.

[Mitchs98]

I already made most points you just stated. But hello Anya Allen player, IC exists for a reason, and that's primarily roleplaying, not an excuse to disobey your SL for being someone you hate just to ruin their round because "oh god fuck that guy".

Also, lol on the opening statement.

It most definetely is when a person who picks command roles is terrible at them and by association ruins other peoples rounds on a whole. If they don't want their rounds ruined, they shouldn't pick roles that ruins other peoples. There's a difference between doing it for hating someone personaly and doing it because they couldn't command their computer to refresh a page.

[TeknoKot]

It most definetely is when a person who picks command roles is terrible at them and by association ruins other peoples rounds on a whole. If they don't want their rounds ruined, they shouldn't pick roles that ruins other peoples. There's a difference between doing it for hating someone personaly and doing it because they couldn't command their computer to refresh a page.

The problem my dear friend, again, is that a lot of great commanding players are being ignored, read before posting, again, we're talking about legit commanding players being ignored. The real cause of this? Players themselves. There is no way you can use IC excuses to hate someone trying to give all their effort into the round, what does that smell?... Metagrudge!

[Tristan63]

I don't necessarily think im one of the people that does bad things here but...I don't think its a great idea to disobey orders unless you have a legit RP reason for it. And technically these "snowflakes" have been around CM RP for alot longer, and can generally make more educated decisions from that. So in the end its two wrongs here, just follow current RP ranks etc and you should be fine. This is what MPs are for. Also I find myself in command roles all the time. SL is a perfect example, its not necessarily veteran players faults that people disobey, its the toxic community. A good example is when I was Alpha SL a month back, and I ordered my squad to not retreat when we had over 50 marines hauling ass, with little to no wounded. And guess what they did despite my almost spam like orders, retreated. Why? because they felt the CO was on the ground actually commanding them, and doing a better job than the SL who was in the thick of it telling everyone to stay behind and fight because we had the winning hand. Luckily in that round, we had almost two squads worth of people from every squad stay, and single handily win for the CO. In my opinion an RP guideline that is its own rule technically should be made and enforced, because at the moment the marines act as robots, and its no ones specific fault.

[apophis775]

Welcome, to "grey-tide" season. I'm open to ideas, but until august, we going to get more and more "children" playing.

[Egorkor]

Welcome, to "grey-tide" season. I'm open to ideas, but until august, we going to get more and more "children" playing.

timelock that people are discussing in the other thread may help a lot though.

[Jalleo]

having minimum ages on SL's and above would probably help

[TheSpoonyCroy]

having minimum ages on SL's and above would probably help

Ok this wouldn't affect me but there is no need for such a rule. Honestly you can be an idiot at any age... This rule would easily just lock some players behind an unneeded wall and how would verify such a thing. Also fact is people seem to forget that they probably played violent video games as children but when they did it was different