Moonlight Test

[apophis775]

This is for feedback/discussion about the "moonlight" test we did earlier where the map had a base lum of 1 instead of 0.

[Szotu]

Nope, too bright.

[McRipfist]

I like it. Better than pitch black.

[JohnKilla56]

I liked it personally, but i felt it may be considered too light by the xenos. i think it adds a bit to stealth since its not just auto invis to marines, you would have to think about what you are doing, and where you are going.

[JCdestr0yer]

I like it from a marine stand point how ever i think a bit darker would be better if you could.

[apophis775]

It's at Lumcount 1 ATM, not sure if it can go darker

[Polkjm]

(Xeno player) 1 luminosity basically means they can see everything, everywhere. It removes the point of bringing any kind of light sources, and prevents the xenos from hiding anywhere. The marines can know instantly if they should go for a kill or if there's a Xeno hiding in the dark. So far it's been a disaster, with no casualties on the side of marines but many xenos dying near their territory because the marines can chase them without fear and get kills in dangerous locations.

So in conclusion this change removes darkness entirely and removes cool gameplay elements like lighting up an area with flares or breaking lights to hunt in the shadows. You can legit see everything, Xenos wouldn't even need darkvision anymore

[JCdestr0yer]

Sorry i don't know much about the inner workings of SS13 no 0.5 or anything if that is the case i say we wait for what the xeno players say since this effects them differently. But for the humans it is a win just so much nicer and i think it may promote more exploration rather then camping. ps i love to camp though.

[Bigchilly]

i like killing everything I can see outside, and creepiness remains in domes

[TheSpoonyCroy]

I not playing the round but from what I can tell from observing it, is you can see everything, even in "pitch black" conditions. Lights become a luxury instead of a necessity. Its also odd due to how byond or at least the server handles lighting, this "moonlight" extends also into buildings/caves which doesn't make sense since these would be pitch black environments.

[Egorkor]

any screencaps?

[Feweh]

Too bright

[Fiodoss]

Most of the aliyyym advantage is lost and boilers shine like floodlights
But it will be cool if some kind of /Moon is at the zenith now! Duck and cover!/ weather event will trigger for some time

[Polkjm]

any screencaps?

Caves without darkvision active: https://i.gyazo.com/4d82abb6801ea868309 ... 026986.png

[Biolock]

Marine players are going to love it, xeno players are going to hate it.

Most importantly, it's tipped the balance too far in favor of the humans, and seriously punished the xenos who use to have a more stealthy approach to the game. All around I think the test was successful in proving that this idea a long way away from coming off the drawing board.

[KingKire]

I havent experienced it yet, but judging from the screen cap, this illumination is too bright even at 1. I would say it would be a nice effect maybe for long range flares? I have more thoughts, but ill add those later

[Biolock]

The final score was 70 marines to 0 xenos.

[Renomaki]

I was commander that round.

While I didn't get to properly experience it myself, I do think that it might be better to keep darkness the way it is. A good xeno relies on stealth, and if their only source of stealth is hiding behind walls and bushes, they are going to be heavily hindered.

While it was satisfying to win as a commander and feel like my leadership helped us through, I'd like to try it again on more even ground, where the xenos have proper stealth and the marines have to play smarter instead of carelessly wandering out into the shadows.

[apophis775]

Well, what do we think about making the "ice map" like that outside?

[Ithalan]

I already find the Ice map exterior more unfavorable to xenos than the jungle map exterior due the snow restricting their movement. Combined with much of the ice map exterior being open terrain with little to none in the way LoS-blocking cover between buildings, there'd be basically no way for the xenos to maneuver stealthily out there if all of it was constantly illuminated.

It might work out if xenos didn't have their movement affected by snow in exchange, so they can refocus on fast hit and run attacks from unexpected angles where the marines would have a hard time following.

[completelynewguy]

I like it, but I think it's best if lighting changes in 1:30/2:00 hours.

[Biolock]

Unless the entire concept for the "Ice Map" is to keep the infection isolated underground, I don't know that adding light to the map would support very aggressive xeno gameplay; it just further supports turtling underground.

[EMT_321]

If the lighting changed at the 90/120 minute mark, it would provide a balanced counter to the likely elite/ancient hive.

[Renomaki]

If the lighting changed at the 90/120 minute mark, it would provide a balanced counter to the likely elite/ancient hive.

the passing of time would be a very interesting concept during matches. However, I don't know how easy it would be to code in, let alone the lag it might cause as every tile suddenly lights up.

[Fritigern]

I wasn't around for the test, but I'm against the added illumination on any map, and that's coming from a player with a marine bias. Any robust marine worth his salt would take this advantage and run with it.