Mad scientists. RnD abuse?

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:25

Something I just experienced in a more recent game was the RnD crew letting Marines burst in containment in order to have "pet" Xenos, I later learned that they were cloning bodies and using facehuggers they somehow found in order to purposely infect them and create Xenos. While this was an interesting situation for RP, it culminated in us being murdered by the same people within the next 5 minutes, I'm creating this to ask if this was ok by the rules and also hear what everybody thinks.

I also found out the CL had a hand in this, colluding with RnD to essentially murder Marines and try to capture Xenos because CLs are always required to be shifty assholes or something. I asked ingame and didn't really get a straight answer, while I enjoyed the context of the situation but being born simply to be murdered kind of pissed me off and in my opinion bordered on griefing. I'd like to hear other thoughts on this and clarification about, Well I guess about Marines "Breeding" Xenos.

YungCuz · Post by **YungCuz** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:26

I mean think about W-Y has intrest in the xenomorphs so they probably got the researcher on board to do this. Secondly the Researcher is actually getting stuff to do dont kill the fun for him.

darklizard45 · Post by **darklizard45** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:29

Holy shit... a xeno breeding machine...
AWESOME! WHY DOESN'T THE CL AND MARINES ACT LIKE THAT WHEN I'M THE RESEARCHER!?!??!

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:29

I don't mind at all the "fun" of it, but is it fun to shove marines into containment and let them die and then murder the Xenos that are born from this? in my mind it seems to only be fun for one person at the expense of several.

darklizard45 · Post by **darklizard45** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:30

GrimdogX wrote:I don't mind at all the "fun" of it, but is it fun to shove marines into containment and let them die and then murder the Xenos that are born from this? in my mind it seems to only be fun for one person at the expense of several.

Isn't that the whole concept of the game?

darklizard45 · Post by **darklizard45** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:32

I mean I get it... is not a good thing overal
But I believe some of those marines might have offered themselves for the experiment... I mean xeno breeding machine

And as a Researcher is kinda hard to find FUN or be able to you know... RP your job

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:33

darklizard45 wrote: Isn't that the whole concept of the game?

Sure, but this was almost literally shooting fish in a barrel, they stripped some Marines shoved em into containment let those Marines die and then killed the Xenos, it could of been an interesting RP situation but just sort of ended in wanton murder.

darklizard45 · Post by **darklizard45** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:35

GrimdogX wrote: Sure, but this was almost literally shooting fish in a barrel, they stripped some Marines shoved em into containment let those Marines die and then killed the Xenos, it could of been an interesting RP situation but just sort of ended in wanton murder.

Are you sure they killed those xenos? Maybe they used the universal recorder device to try and talk with them

As a Researcher I preffer my specimens alive so I can get more data from them

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:44

darklizard45 wrote: Are you sure they killed those xenos? Maybe they used the universal recorder device to try and talk with them

As a Researcher I preffer my specimens alive so I can get more data from them

Considering that I was one of the Xenos I'm damn sure they killed em.

darklizard45 · Post by **darklizard45** » 19 Sep 2016, 23:50

GrimdogX wrote: Considering that I was one of the Xenos I'm damn sure they killed em.

Well there is a difference Auschwitz and a Xeno study area... so I guess... he kinda abused it somehow...

Did you tried to RP and act more "friendly"

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 20 Sep 2016, 00:21

darklizard45 wrote: Well there is a difference Auschwitz and a Xeno study area... so I guess... he kinda abused it somehow...

Did you tried to RP and act more "friendly"

I didn't really get a chance, I broke the glass and he threw a fire grenade in when that didn't work he called in a firing squad lead by the CO, on the bright side I ripped the COs face off.

Warnipple · Post by **Warnipple** » 20 Sep 2016, 09:09

YungCuz wrote:I mean think about W-Y has intrest in the xenomorphs so they probably got the researcher on board to do this. Secondly the Researcher is actually getting stuff to do dont kill the fun for him.

This.

Also when a Researcher has a pet, its really dangerous seeing as the pet can potentially kill the Researcher at any given time. If the xenos wants a bit of RP, thats fine. Xenos don't get to RP much.

From a rule standpoint: It feels like griefing to have infected marines burst in containment and Xenos should act like xenos. That being said, I hope that marine got cloned after he burst.

YungCuz · Post by **YungCuz** » 20 Sep 2016, 16:53

Most likely the bursted marines are getting cloned so we probably dont have to worry.

Kevinthezhang · Post by **Kevinthezhang** » 20 Sep 2016, 17:00

I think this is ok as long as it is cleared up with admins and given the thumbs up given the "antagonist" style behavior that this appears to be.

It would be neat if the researcher and CL RP-ed a little when doing this (i.e. stripping the headset of the marine, etc) and then also cloning them after.

The xeno that is spawned could be forced to stay larva by damage (meta?) or evolve into a higher caste (the containment area should have a camera or something inside so the researcher doesnt have to open the doors to check on it).

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 20 Sep 2016, 19:48

Kevinthezhang wrote:I think this is ok as long as it is cleared up with admins and given the thumbs up given the "antagonist" style behavior that this appears to be.

It would be neat if the researcher and CL RP-ed a little when doing this (i.e. stripping the headset of the marine, etc) and then also cloning them after.

The xeno that is spawned could be forced to stay larva by damage (meta?) or evolve into a higher caste (the containment area should have a camera or something inside so the researcher doesnt have to open the doors to check on it).

I am unsure of exactly what RP went on due to the fact I was a xeno, but they completely stripped Marines naked and allowed them to burst. Containment also does have a camera which I promptly broke along with everything else in the room.

Mephiliso · Post by **Mephiliso** » 20 Sep 2016, 20:18

This is a bit fucked if they're taking unwilling marines, facehugging them and then just cloning them back to repeat the cycle again (if I've read this thread correctly).

However this was probably a directive given to the Liason from Wey-Yu (Staff) so it's probably been A-OK'd and isn't griefing but it definitely seems like abuse of the cloning system.

Maybe that's what this should be about.

Casany · Post by **Casany** » 20 Sep 2016, 22:05

Maybe the reason the researcher killed you was because you broke everything in the cell like a bad xeno. And this doesn't seem like the worst idea, though it does seem kinda powergamey

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 20 Sep 2016, 22:28

Sounds like an interesting situation to me.

If xenon tried breaking out, of course they're going to be killed if no other viable solution is present.

GrimdogX · Post by **GrimdogX** » 21 Sep 2016, 00:23

Casany wrote:Maybe the reason the researcher killed you was because you broke everything in the cell like a bad xeno. And this doesn't seem like the worst idea, though it does seem kinda powergamey

My problem was not with them killing me, although the idea that they essentially killed Marines to just create and immediately murder us annoyed me, I'm more upset for what happened to the Marines than myself.

Clarkeh · Post by **Clarkeh** » 23 Sep 2016, 13:00

From an RP perspective and with the right amount of backstory between the RD and CL i would accept it. As long as a average marine or an MP hears about it they CAN go in there guns blazing and shutdown the grizzly operation and not get boinked for it.

moff_lockwood · Post by **moff_lockwood** » 27 Sep 2016, 13:34

This kind of thing should only happen if the CL has gotten it approved through his faxes with Wey-Yu, and then convinces the researcher to go along. MP's would be required to put a stop to it if they got wind, unless the CO orders them to stand down (then they would have to choose to defy marine law or defy the commander). The medical staff should object if they find out (they do not work for Wey-Yu). The CO should only support this if he has gotten a fax from high command to proceed or has been bought by the CL. The rest of the command staff should put a stop to it if they find out, with again the choice to defy or cooperate if the commander orders it (this is automatic grounds for mutiny attempts by command staff/MP's). Loyalty implants would override those conditions for the applicable people (but not the CL's requirement to get Wey-Yu i.e. staff approval first). Squad mates should go in guns blazing if they find out their brothers are being used as hosts; shoot first, ask never (automatic grounds for mutiny if any superiors are involved, and escalated lethal force allowed from the sheer horror of finding their brothers being tortured for corporate greed). Maybe even take the researcher/CL down to the planet and throw them to the aliens if they are creative.

Non-implanted doctors should never go along with it, and do everything they can to protect the patients if they find out, including trying to incapacitate anyone involved with whatever is at their disposal if they can't get MP's. These are battlefield doctors, who've chosen to endanger themselves to help soldiers. They are not contracted stooges in a sketchy black-site facility. And if you want to point to alien resurrection, remember they bought random colonists; the commander never let his own men be hosts and went so far as to toss a grenade in their overrun escape pod. The "medical staff" on that ship would be equivalent to researchers on the Sulaco, not the doctors.

As long as those conditions are followed, then yeah, I think it's a pretty cool RP scenario. Just as long as the other players RP the consequences of being found out too if you are caught (i.e. shooting you repeatedly until your body explodes into gibs if its marines, arresting if its MP's/command staff (or sometimes killing if it's RP'd well since these people would be calmer about it than the grunts)).

Also, brutalizing while brig'd should be allowed against such offenders, since this is a situation where you turn off the cameras and bring in the people who were getting used as hosts to dish out justice (but they shouldn't be killed if they are already arrested, just horribly maimed and disfigured; the MP's would step in before killing blows at that point and say that's enough). Now, if they happen to die before reaching the brig (i.e. being processed as having been captured alive and secured), that's another story and up to the MP if they want to RP that out.

Bit · Post by **Bit** » 31 Oct 2016, 16:35

Using USCM personnel seems lame when some rounds have perfectly good colonist survivors, or maybe renegade mercenaries.
I really want to see somebody turn an Iron Bear into a murdering machine now.
Video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga5A6R9BJg

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