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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Tharinoma » 04 Aug 2018, 10:04

Eldefaultio, are you willing to keep issues deemed private by your superiors in the team private? Are you willing to follow stupid orders given to you by staff that outrank you, even though you know so much better than them and they didn't even play CM when you were a mod? Will you be able to ban your very good friends you play the game with? Will you leave the team with a salty dramapost after things go sideways and don't get fixed the way they should?
Are you willing, able to be professionnal in your intetactions with other players and staffmemers, both in game, private channels forums and discord?
Are you able to enforce a stupid meta rule that makes no sense?
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Sleepy Retard » 04 Aug 2018, 10:11

Tharinoma wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 10:04
Eldefaultio, are you willing to keep issues deemed private by your superiors in the team private? Are you willing to follow stupid orders given to you by staff that outrank you, even though you know so much better than them and they didn't even play CM when you were a mod? Will you be able to ban your very good friends you play the game with? Will you leave the team with a salty dramapost after things go sideways and don't get fixed the way they should?
Are you willing, able to be professionnal in your intetactions with other players and staffmemers, both in game, private channels forums and discord?
Are you able to enforce a stupid meta rule that makes no sense?
I like the snark with this one.
1: Always did. Not an issue.
2: That depends on stupid order, you're gonna have to clarify
3: Already have
4: I didn't make one last time, apop did that for me. I have no intentions to drama post
5: I assume you might be a bit drunk here. Not an issue, wasn't ever one when I was a mod.
6: Assuming it's verified by the proper staff, that was half my job back in the day, so yes
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by RobBrown4PM » 04 Aug 2018, 10:25

The app is decent, nothing great, nothing terrible.

I have to ask though, did you post anything from slack or discord staff chat to reddit or any other public forum?
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Sleepy Retard » 04 Aug 2018, 10:40

RobBrown4PM wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 10:25
The app is decent, nothing great, nothing terrible.

I have to ask though, did you post anything from slack or discord staff chat to reddit or any other public forum?
Yes. If you read above with BladeBR, you can see quite clearly I reposted fewehs slack retirement message after finding it
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Desmet » 04 Aug 2018, 10:52

App Responses: Looks accurate to me mostly.
Though I would have felt it more professional of you if you have discussed it with people who didn't like your responses instead of relying on the fact that mod manager says its good. (Not forming a negative opinion on this, so no need to defend)

Your Past: I was not around on forums and all earlier and just quietly played CM so no opinion. Though multiple accusations (could be false or true I don't really care) gives a little less good vibe.

Your behavior: Some people like you some don't. Personally, I haven't interacted with you so no opinion.

I will stay neutral on this and would like to wish you luck on your app.

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by BobatNight » 04 Aug 2018, 10:53

+1 Sleepy is a good guy, cares about the enjoyment of the server and unlike some staff, doesn't have a disability when it comes to interpreting Marine law.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by RobBrown4PM » 04 Aug 2018, 10:58

El Defaultio wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 10:40
Yes. If you read above with BladeBR, you can see quite clearly I reposted fewehs slack retirement message after finding it
We're a family here, lad, and we have to have each others backs. Regardless of what it was that you posted, I really don't like the fact that you posted something from slack to a public forum. While it was of course innocent, it's a rule that we don't break for very obvious reasons. And before anything is said about the innocence of post, I want to say that it's the principle and not any specific message. The rule exists for a reason.

Edit: Put -1, I mean't neutral.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by WinterClould » 04 Aug 2018, 11:41

I'm not personally comfortable with sleepy returning to the staff team.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Tharinoma » 04 Aug 2018, 15:17

El Defaultio wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 10:11
I like the snark with this one.
1: Always did. Not an issue.
2: That depends on stupid order, you're gonna have to clarify
3: Already have
4: I didn't make one last time, apop did that for me. I have no intentions to drama post
5: I assume you might be a bit drunk here. Not an issue, wasn't ever one when I was a mod.
6: Assuming it's verified by the proper staff, that was half my job back in the day, so yes
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by TheDonkified » 04 Aug 2018, 15:32

5. You see a mentor ahelp that has been sitting in Unheard Ahelps for 15 minutes. All the mentors that are on are AFK.

6. Before nesting a host, a spitter uses corrosive acid until it goes in pain crit.

7. Before infecting a host, a warrior removes all the hosts hands.

8. Give some circumstances where you would take moderator action on an MP/CMP. Don't be specific, give general situations.

9. There is a fight in a dropship between squad A and squad B that escalates to using melee weapons, and a PO tries to intervene and ends up getting killed by a member of squad A. Two other people, one from each squad, is also killed. You see that a mentor and a moderator took part in the fights.

10. A survivor manages to find all the other survivors and decides to rush the hive. They do not manage to kill everyone, but do kill the queen and 4 other xenos. There were 18 in total before this (I don't remember round start xeno numbers lol).

11. A synth is rushing the xenos in combat when the Almayer boards.

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12. You see a new player (has default look, no notes, and doesn't seem to know where they're going) and receive one or two ahelps about them. There are no mentors on.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Sleepy Retard » 04 Aug 2018, 15:57

TheDonkified wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 15:32
5. You see a mentor ahelp that has been sitting in Unheard Ahelps for 15 minutes. All the mentors that are on are AFK.

6. Before nesting a host, a spitter uses corrosive acid until it goes in pain crit.

7. Before infecting a host, a warrior removes all the hosts hands.

8. Give some circumstances where you would take moderator action on an MP/CMP. Don't be specific, give general situations.

9. There is a fight in a dropship between squad A and squad B that escalates to using melee weapons, and a PO tries to intervene and ends up getting killed by a member of squad A. Two other people, one from each squad, is also killed. You see that a mentor and a moderator took part in the fights.

10. A survivor manages to find all the other survivors and decides to rush the hive. They do not manage to kill everyone, but do kill the queen and 4 other xenos. There were 18 in total before this (I don't remember round start xeno numbers lol).

11. A synth is rushing the xenos in combat when the Almayer boards.

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12. You see a new player (has default look, no notes, and doesn't seem to know where they're going) and receive one or two ahelps about them. There are no mentors on.
1: Answer it myself. Tell mentors it's fine to deadmin or log off instead of going afk if they don't feel like doing their job, since they're not forced to do it every round

2: Scummy, but not infected so non issue. (Unless it is. Then the xeno should wait until the host proves a problem.)

3: Scummy, but not infected so non issue.

4: CMP is ignoring major crimes, CMP is commiting crimes, and if the MP is randomly griefing people by spam tazing and beating.

5: Check to see who killed the PO. Warn them for improper escalation, and or ban - shouldn't be killing people for stopping them from murdering people. Depending on what the mod + mentor did, if I deemed it a rule break it's best left to their manager and not my judgement, so I would talk to them

6: Survivors are survivors and not rambo. It's not in their best interest to hunt xenos, rather stay away and defend themselves. Warn them for improper roleplay as a survivor, for the queen and them - I can't really do anything besides give them a frowny face.

7: Whitelists (Commander, synth, pred) are player report worthy and besides really really really blatant and obvious grief.

8: Slack ping, help them myself if I ain't so busy - moderators shouldn't be above mentoring
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Aceluke123 » 04 Aug 2018, 17:05

El Defaultio wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 15:57
Snippity snip for the big gay
Alright well your answers outside of the crappy standard questions are well done in my eyes. The moderator part is already beaten and with imp entire shabang about how your app is fine plus emerald stating this is about if staff want you back in, I have to give my vote eventually.

In general sleepy, you are a huge memer, who several times seem to discredit staff in discord and ask for them to be ignored, though that is a problem I don’t think it’ll be a thing if you are let back into staff. As from what I expect you’ll bring up concerns to higher ups rather than tell people to be ignored.

The slack leaking thing I don’t have a huge problem with mostly due to the only thing being leaked as something that was already given out and you honestly can only blame staff for telling you information when they shouldn’t be.
Aka. I can’t blame you that staff decide to leak to you because they are bad staff members.

Now onto you being removed from staff previously and why I’m going to approve to you rejoining.
#1 feweh was involved and I strongly dislike that guy. I was someone who luckily helped him get removed and from what I know you attempted to do that previously which is what got you removed by ‘taking the fall’
#2 I’m always down for second chances for people.
#3 You got removed as a mod and this is a trial mod period. You’ll be watched and any issues can be ironed out or you’ll be removed as per usual.


I’d list more reasons but honestly tldr I’m +1ing this myself.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by RedsPro » 04 Aug 2018, 17:07

+1 Hes a bird and he knows whats good dude.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by TexasTwoStep » 04 Aug 2018, 17:10

awan wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 05:23
I have three major issues with this app. I hope you can adress them and underatand my viewpoint.

1. It has been mentioned you shared/leaked information from staff chat. Even though it was "public" already you still spread it. That accusation hurts your case pretty bad. It is not just that mention but also that I know of at least 2 times staff info was leaked to you. The exact example I can give is you knowing who the seniors were when only the staff was told. Players had not been told yet. The other incident I rather not mention as doing so would likely piss off the devs. Next one other player who has had info leaked to you did a +1 on your app the first one in months they spoke out on.

2. This app has everything I dislike the staff doing. They are already letting you get away with more then a normal player would and their +1's sometimes dont even add something. I asked them why and I still only got a reply saying nothing imo. It is not just the app that smells low effort but even many staff replies.

3. I do not want to ask exactly why you were removed. But I did search on the forums and found an accusation of you trying to blackmail the heads of staff? I dont want to be looking into it to deep because I was not there and did not see it first hand. But all heads at the time rahl/bmc have been gone a week and you make this app. To me that seems as if you knew/thought they would never hire you.
You just leaked information from staff chat?

You throw accusations at the wall and hope that they stick - this might of been something you asked them in private. Most staff including myself knowing the good that ElDefaultio has done for the community don't need to snypehunter.exe this application, but merely show our support for the applicant. Call it shitposting if you want, merely just the expression that Eldefaultio is not a normal player, but rather an excellent ex-staff member in many people's opinions (not all).

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Symbiosis » 04 Aug 2018, 17:38

awan wrote:
04 Aug 2018, 05:23

1. Next one other player who has had info leaked to you did a +1 on your app the first one in months they spoke out on.

Being blunt, I’ve never leaked anything publicly until the point where I as a person was attacked in ways that I would never, ever encourage. I also believe those involved were talked to.

Don’t blame the leaker - like Aceluke so wisely put. If you want me to +1 or -1 more apps, I will. I also haven’t leaked anything else sense then, nor prior. I +1’ed because I’m hopeful with the current staff team the environment can move towards a more community driven/focused one rather than Us vs. Them. Sleepy doesn’t break the rules. He enforced them upon a close friend. I don’t see why you wouldn’t want someone like that on your team.

You WANT a diverse staff team, it’s checks and balances that keep things from going sour. If everyone on a staff can keep their disagreements and discussions to the proper areas (outside of the public eye) you all benefit. Hearing other points of view is crucial to growth.
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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by frozentsbgg » 04 Aug 2018, 23:58

Yeah, I'm keen for the return.

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Lumdor » 05 Aug 2018, 03:34

Sleepy is a brother. He may be a guy who fucks around a lot, but the big guy is good at heart.

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Post by Bancrose » 05 Aug 2018, 11:48

First off, Sleepy might come off as abrasive and blunt but that is not a bad thing. The one Redeeming quality for me when I think about Sleepy is that where I would think some of the current admins I think are a bit soft, I could see Sleepy being more proactive than said Admins/Mods as I genuinely believe he cares about the player base more than them. So the Choice is quite obvious.

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Jakkkk » 05 Aug 2018, 16:56

You are a notorious memer, but all in all I think I can trust you to be serious when you need to be.

Besides we don't really lose anything by giving you a shot, if you fuck up, you fail your trialmod and that's it, but if you pass we have another cool member of staff.

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Imperator_Titan » 05 Aug 2018, 16:57

I'm just going to drop some input here, without giving an official vote as I'd like to clear some things up.

When I said that this application was perfect, I meant that you had the base details perfect as I assumed you were rewriting it up on your laptop since you mentioned that you wrote it on your phone. This was my misunderstanding as you didn't infact go into detail on the answers, which I'm quite sure that most of us here expected, an answer longer than a couple of words, which led to some thinking that it is infact low effort, rightfully so.

This was mostly an error on my part and I apologize for all those concerned.

That's all I'd like to say.

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Re: ElDefaultio - Moderator Application

Post by Sleepy Retard » 05 Aug 2018, 18:25

Imperator_Titan wrote:
05 Aug 2018, 16:57
I'm just going to drop some input here, without giving an official vote as I'd like to clear some things up.

When I said that this application was perfect, I meant that you had the base details perfect as I assumed you were rewriting it up on your laptop since you mentioned that you wrote it on your phone. This was my misunderstanding as you didn't infact go into detail on the answers, which I'm quite sure that most of us here expected, an answer longer than a couple of words, which led to some thinking that it is infact low effort, rightfully so.

This was mostly an error on my part and I apologize for all those concerned.

That's all I'd like to say.
Retired staff generally have lax requirements given they know how it works, if I'm correct, which is why i didn't go into excessive details for each question. Given that the application is used to show they already have a grasp on how procedure and rules work, it didn't seem extremely necessary for me to do so - as I showed I had a grasp on the procedures, as I was a mod for around half a year. The questions aren't inherently inaccurate, they're all technically correct - you can see I put more detail into the other questions given by Donkified, as they are non standard questions. With the standard questions, they are cookie cutter and done to death, they show the person answer them nothing, since you can copy successful apps. I'll say thanks for the input, but as with the other people who said they were low effort/not enough detail, I would like to ask what exactly is missing from this application. No one has told me what is wrong besides giving me an answer I cannot act upon, besides Neth who told me to cover more scenarios with each question.

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Each person in each screenshot eventually went and told SLC or whomever that they had leaked, after I had talked to them about it. I did not tell SLC outright who it was, but what had happened, because I personally believe someone will not change if I rat them out. SLC can confirm this, and the people who had talked to SLC about these things, but I doubt they will respond due to the 'shame' of having done so, and I will not fault them for that.
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Post by BluntForce420 » 05 Aug 2018, 18:41

-1 i dont like him
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Post by Lumdor » 05 Aug 2018, 19:24

Let's have some real talk, it's obvious that what ever leaks sleepy has gotten means that certain members of staff trust him more than others.

Is that a bad thing? No and yes. I feel leaks will happen in any community it happens, you can't make everyone happy.

Though it also shows that we as staff need to be brothers and sisters to each other.

I love sleepy. He real talks like a lot of staff we have.

Still believe that leaks are bad but also good, it shows that we're not a group of staff that dislike the player base, but a group that has a divide that can be made stronger.

Sleepy is a upstanding guy, and shows that even after he left staff that a lot of staff members still love him.

No matter what your disagreement is with him being staff, I understand it, but Sleepy is a great member of the community even with memes. Though let's not forget when he was a mod what he did to help the community.

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Post by Arbs » 06 Aug 2018, 20:49

Sleepy can be crude yet still honest and straight forward about things. Thats a plus in my opinion as it clears things out and leves little room for misunderstandings.

Still, i do believe that their judgement has always been sensible and even fair. They were a moderator once and I would can say they could still do the same good work.

I have no insight as far as other issues go, but I believe that sleepy would make for capable staff. Its up to the current moderators and staff to accept you now I suppose.

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Post by NGGJamie » 07 Aug 2018, 13:22

After a personal and intimate conversation with Defaultio, we are going to accept him as a Trial Mod.

In that conversation I addressed many of the concerns voiced here, and we came to the conclusion that we will not have any problems as far as those are concerned.
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