Shyguychizzy- Predator Complaint

[Biolock]

Your Byond Key: Biolock
Your Character Name: At the time I was hunter 570

Accused Byond Key(if known): Shyguychizzy

Character Name: KaTorag-na Halkrath

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 2100

What rule(s) were broken: Predator Code of Honor
1. Hunting Worthy Game/ Fair Fight: "Can defend itself and/or is able to kill the hunter himself"

Description of the incident:
So as a young hunter I was prowling around the northern river when I saw a predator who was a maybe five or six tiles away from me. I shot out an emote and the hiss sound effect and it began walking up north towards the sand temple. I followed it at an equal pace (it was around the walk pace), as I continued to use the *hiss verb. I then stepped on an alien trap, stunning me. I typed "Real Nice" in LOOC because he'd played me similarly to how you hide soap underneath some trash to make your friend slip; he then proceeded to butcher the shit out of me. I was so surprised at the notion that I didn't even bother to try to run away. I couldn't believe that a predator that NOT ONLY uses the enhanced wrist gauntlets (used generally by elders only), but also had me in an alien trap would outright slaughter a /relatively/ defenseless young xenomorph that was attempting to roleplay.

His excuse was that I was intruding in the Yautja's lodge... see the screenshot below to see the distance between the actual lodge construction and where my gibs are from where I died.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Location evidence- https://gyazo.com/1411b4a5a302fb7c75321217d733bb46
Base Combat Logs- https://gyazo.com/3a1becd02259ec02196ee71368013410
How you would punish the accused: Probation or a short term ban from predator role.

[Shyguychizzy]

Interesting but however, it doesn't break the rule of hunting worthy game as previously have made a trap in that area you can ask one of the other predators either Ka'Torag-na Vor'mekta or Cetanu Bhu'ja who nodded or was there during the time in which I placed this here trap. https://gyazo.com/92545ec1c9c748eb5551f9105bb025a8
In this image is the convo before the death of the said xeno, I laid a trap on top of weeds.
This hunter follow me and got onto my well placed trap, I uncloak then proceed to kill it as it has tresspassed the lodge area.
https://gyazo.com/22fdaf4cc33dd4d46803dfc3930c55f1
This is the area I placed the trap.
https://gyazo.com/0f867af8bcb4892122538ddc0de20dcf
Anyhow, he was not my hunt or prey, he simply tresspassed on our lodge area making him viable target for triggering my trap, in which making the hunter viable kill for tresspassing. As well, he triggered my trap making it if I choose so, a kill if need be for it was my trap.

[Casany]

Just gonna butt in and say "I told you so" because I told you if you made the lodge there salt would occur

[Shyguychizzy]

Just gonna butt in and say "I told you so" because I told you if you made the lodge there salt would occur

Yeah you did indeed do so but we haven't encountered any troubles regarding the xenos, in fact a runner said from building it something like we won't get in your way. They had their hive north eastern which was our original area for the logde anyhow, it wasn't me who built the lodge.

[Biolock]

1st Point: Just because you placed a trap prior doesn't mean that any feeble creature that steps on it immediately becomes valid hunt.
2nd Point: You just re-told the same story I did. Just because a trap is "Well placed" as in the near invisible trap is placed on a diagonal choke-point.
3rd Point: How can you call the area you killed me "in the lodge area", the area you killed me and the area you can see the first instance of construction aren't even on the same screen. Is that the lodges front porch?

Anyway, I wasn't even upset, I was honestly humbled about why so many players tend to complain about predators.

[Shyguychizzy]

1st Point: Just because you placed a trap prior doesn't mean that any feeble creature that steps on it immediately becomes valid hunt.
2nd Point: You just re-told the same story I did. Just because a trap is "Well placed" as in the near invisible trap is placed on a diagonal choke-point.
3rd Point: How can you call the area you killed me "in the lodge area", the area you killed me and the area you can see the first instance of construction aren't even on the same screen. Is that the lodges front porch?

Anyway, I wasn't even upset, I was honestly humbled about why so many players tend to complain about predators.

1st point I can see quite questionable on my part, but 2nd point I spoke on my behalf, the details in which happened before hand as well the purpose of the trap , not much information or evidence on my part for it was a little occurrence or event that took place. That entire temple area is considered or we considered it our territory, we have hunted as well as warded off multiple xenos in our area before hand. As well, I did not once use my gauntlet wrist-blades I might add during this encounter , I used a katana as you stated in this screenshot, my evidence for such claims would be the screen shot you provided, https://gyazo.com/3a1becd02259ec02196ee71368013410. I had the right to defend the lodge area, nothing wrong with that, you risked trying to RP in which i respect that but then again following a pred while cloak isn't the wisest thing to do so, as well you did growl or attempt to, in which was more of aggressive approach I would say, though trying to RP, I took it as hostility then following me . I do apologize if we got on the wrong foot as well as for my actions in which may led to this as well as what you reported. I shall let others speak or view this on their opinion's on the matter maybe if any other Predators as well as staff may see to this issue perhaps comment on this.

[Xurphorus]

Biolock, I love you mate... so it shames me to say that I agree with Shy because of the fact that if anyone Xeno or Human ends up near the lodge they become automatic fair game. Its up to the pred whether or not to show mercy. I guess you drew the short end of the Combi-stick...

[Biolock]

Biolock, I love you mate... so it shames me to say that I agree with Shy because of the fact that if anyone Xeno or Human ends up near the lodge they become automatic fair game. Its up to the pred whether or not to show mercy. I guess you drew the short end of the Combi-stick...

To be entirely fair, Xur. You were a predator online at the time who was well aware of the layout of your lodge. I, for one, had no idea the lodge was even being built into the rock, let alone the front yard extended all the way to the first rocks... you guys didn't even put a mailbox out.

Roleplaying is, of course, a risk a player takes when they interact with a hostile faction, however the fact that you offered zero roleplay in return and instead resorted to mashing the 'kill kill die die' buttons as fast as possible against a weak trapped pray is telling of your lack of consideration for other players' roleplay experiences. What bites me about this; is this, I can only assume, how you treat EVERYONE who attempts to roleplay with you since there was no reason to be fearful of a single young hunter. I can only imagine what minimal roleplay you offer humans or xenos that provide a more significant threat. Of course this doesn't matter nearly as much if you're playing a marine or a xeno; but as the godlike character the predator can potentially be; the playing field is leveled by requiring heavy roleplay.

[Feweh]

Theres a very common saying for a situation like this.

If you play with fire, be ready to get burned.

What this means for this situation is, you pursued a known hostile Alien who you knew was killing things. You voluntarily put yourself at risk on your own terms and ended up getting burned because of it.

Where the trap/mine was located is fine to be considered the Yautja lodge. Youre allowed to kill ANYTHING that enters the yautja's lodging area.

Predators also dont roleplay with XENO's, they hunt xenos purely for sport and game. Marines are the ones that you can argue the roleplay excuse for.

[Biolock]

There's nothing wrong with dying in CM, but predators roleplay with xenos all the time. It doesn't have to be friendly talking and stuff, but a player who's putting roleplay out to a character should at least receive the same amount of roleplay in return from a player who's entire application surrounded their ability to roleplay and their reputation as a player. I don't expect to roleplay with a predator and survive, but I do expect to get a level of roleplay in return; it's why there's such a heavy vetting process for access to the character.

An example of realistic roleplay with a predator:
Xeno: /me hisses, sneaking closer to the predator.
Predator: /me extends his blades, rearing to face the xeno.

It doesn't have to be spectacular, but doing NOTHING other than silently murdering a xeno is something we can expect from ANY player.

Additionally:
It's one thing for a xeno to enter a cave system or a structure, but how far can a predator really consider their lodge? There was no way of defining that area as their lodge other than a... once again, invisible, trap.

[Boltersam]

Enhanced bracers are in no way restricted to Elders, and to get them we do so at cost of other items.

I disagree with giving you no chance to remove the trap and leave the Lodge alone, but that's more of a personal gripe as it's up to the individual whether or not to give chances.

Your location evidence gyazo is broken for me, so I can't actually see how far from the Lodge or how far inside the perimeter you were, but the start of territory is often around the entrance to the lodge, marked by traps, which aren't actually invisible, and can be spotted as they're only more transparent.

I don't think Shy did anything overtly wrong, but I'd suggest to him to give chances, or at least warn people. You are responsible for every life you take, and it's best to avoid ending people's rounds if you can.

[Shyguychizzy]

Enhanced bracers are in no way restricted to Elders, and to get them we do so at cost of other items.

I disagree with giving you no chance to remove the trap and leave the Lodge alone, but that's more of a personal gripe as it's up to the individual whether or not to give chances.

Your location evidence gyazo is broken for me, so I can't actually see how far from the Lodge or how far inside the perimeter you were, but the start of territory is often around the entrance to the lodge, marked by traps, which aren't actually invisible, and can be spotted as they're only more transparent.

I don't think Shy did anything overtly wrong, but I'd suggest to him to give chances, or at least warn people. You are responsible for every life you take, and it's best to avoid ending people's rounds if you can.

Interesting output, I'll take note your advice on giving chances or least warning rather, as well I shall be a bit more careful. The trap was at a choke point in which the weed a previous drone planted I left on due to it actually helps marked it, making it nearly invisible or at least wouldn't think it be there.

[Feweh]

Personally i would of also let the drone live, unless it continued to come back.

Part of being a predator is having the power to make these choices. However, it is not expected that a predator sacrifices his fun or goals for others enjoyment.

[Biolock]

I love playing predator; I just know is a dangerous road to go down when predators are allowed to waffle stomp everything they see, regardless of its ability to defend itself.

[forwardslashN]

I have to agree with Bio that killing the hunter was probably in questionable sport. Shy should have probably let the xenomorph go since it wasn't directly attacking the lodge, or at least roared or made it known that going near the sand temple was going to be met with hostility. At the same time, I don't think Shy is entirely in the wrong. Bio apparently followed the predator, fell in to a trap near the lodge, and got killed for trespassing. Predators don't need to show mercy, especially if a xenomorph follows them, hissing. So Shy could be a little more careful in the future, using emotes to demonstrate intent, but I don't think he should be removed from the whitelist, temporarily or not.

[Biolock]

I have to agree with Bio that killing the hunter was probably in questionable sport. Shy should have probably let the xenomorph go since it wasn't directly attacking the lodge, or at least roared or made it known that going near the sand temple was going to be met with hostility. At the same time, I don't think Shy is entirely in the wrong. Bio apparently followed the predator, fell in to a trap near the lodge, and got killed for trespassing. Predators don't need to show mercy, especially if a xenomorph follows them, hissing. So Shy could be a little more careful in the future, using emotes to demonstrate intent, but I don't think he should be removed from the whitelist, temporarily or not.

I can agree with you on a lot of respects. The main point of this post was the lack of roleplay demonstrated, especially when the predator had all of the cards in his hands. Not to say mercy should be expected, but roleplay should, no?

[forwardslashN]

I can agree with you on a lot of respects. The main point of this post was the lack of roleplay demonstrated, especially when the predator had all of the cards in his hands. Not to say mercy should be expected, but roleplay should, no?

I completely agree with that. Preds, to me, are an RP role more than they are killing machines. But I've had failrp before from my side, not when playing pred though, so I can see how things just don't work out sometimes. Hopefully Shy improves from this experience and does better next time.

[Biolock]

My only concern is that it was done in a completely controlled environment. No stress, no reason to rush, no excuse to not roleplay, it was the perfect situation for the pred. So what happens when we're not watching and it's not the perfect circumstances? How much worse is it then?

[Feweh]

No rules were broken.

While the option was there to spare you, he doesn't have to.

Resolved
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