I don't even know what to title this

[EstangaJr0830]

Your Byond Key: EstangaJr

Your Character Name: Brayden Reno

Their Byond key: Feweh

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 4:18 PM CST 12/3/2016

Which Admin Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: 5A and code of conduct, abuse of power

Description of the incident: The situation began when Feweh logged into the server, and with any time he's around my experience goes from enjoyment and calamity to reprimands and ban, for absolutely no reason at all. I was the Chief Engineer, and set up the SM with Phoron coolant properly and effectively, but as everyone knows the Sulaco only comes stocked with two Phoron tanks, and as such, I came up with a way to produce more, and to repurpose a portion of atmospherics for another, tappable Phoron tank. I had done similar in a previous round and worked out effectively and without incident, a moderator even questioned me, but after my reassurances allowed me to proceed. I have a certain history with Feweh, he's banned me before, and has been a general ass to me for really no reason. As soon as Feweh joined the server, without me violating a single server rule, he intervenes and sets my newly made phoron tank on fire, damaging the ship's hull, and after I went to figure out exactly what happened, killing me, and after he kills me, I was banned for being a terrible player, and having a terrible attitude. Furthermore, this is all without even hearing the entire story or reasoning behind what I did, or even considering a different punishment than a seven day ban for something that a moderator in a previous server had permitted me to do, because it doesn't violate ANY server rules, and the only possible violations of marine law did not apply.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://prntscr.com/df0ke9, http://prntscr.com/df0kjz, http://prntscr.com/df0kqe, http://prntscr.com/df0kvt, http://prntscr.com/df0lnc, http://prntscr.com/df0lwu, http://prntscr.com/df0m1i

How you would punish the accused: I honestly don't think that Feweh in himself is a terrible person, but he's very aggressive and prejudicial towards myself when I've had time to enjoy the great server that CM is, and I honestly think that he should apologize, but not be stripped of rank or title. If anything, Feweh should be suspended until a superior or fellow admins can properly review this situation and prove or disprove any wrongdoing on my part in terms of server rule violations.

[Feweh]

You released Phoron into Atmospherics for no logical reason, the problem wasnt you trying to produce more power... it was letting phoron out all into Atmospherics uncontained.
If a alien or another MT simply walked in, mass phoron would of been released onto Sulaco.

I attempted to burn it up to avoid a round ending disaster.

You have over 15 notes in 30 days about warnings, bans and various other things.
You need to stop.

See the attached ban appeal; viewtopic.php?f=76&t=10094

[EstangaJr0830]

I notified every member of engineering as to this, and there was no reason to ban me without investigation or even speaking to me further. As for my other bans, we're not talking about my other bans, we're talking about you banning me without cause or justification.

[apophis775]

PHORON CAN NOT PROPERLY COOL OUR ENGINE.

How many times, MUST I state that. There's a REASON you don't have enough phoron, BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING IT FOR THAT.

That being said, This is being investigated by myself and Rahlzel.

[EstangaJr0830]

I didn't know that, and have seen on numerous CM guides that phoron could be used, and that it is more effective. I however do apologize for the misunderstanding, if this is the case.

[Jroinc1]

As a SM mentor, it is possible to cool the SM with phoron. However, the piping must be altered to do so, you can't just dump it in.

[EstangaJr0830]

I wasn't going to dump it in, that wasn't the idea with this at all. Although, how exactly would it be done your way?

[apophis775]

You should NEVER use Phoron to cool the core. It has a random chance of sparking, because I'm a bastard. It's why the core will sometimes just be on fire when not in critical. It may spark and ignite, but if you didn't "cool' it with phoron, you're fine. I put it in there to give people a scare.

[EstangaJr0830]

I see. Well, I haven't previously seen that sort of mechanic in other servers, and never knew it existed here, and do apologize.

[EstangaJr0830]

I'll be sure to note that and inform others of this, but the simple fact of the matter remains that I wasn't even given a chance to properly explain myself, and was simply kicked off the server for doing something that at that moment didn't cause any harm. I think the very least Feweh could've done was to hear me out rather than to ban me mid-sentence.

[Feweh]

I'll be sure to note that and inform others of this, but the simple fact of the matter remains that I wasn't even given a chance to properly explain myself, and was simply kicked off the server for doing something that at that moment didn't cause any harm. I think the very least Feweh could've done was to hear me out rather than to ban me mid-sentence.

I did hear you, in fact my first note was a warning only and I told you not to do it again.

You were then upgraded to a ban when you spread the phoron even further despite acknowledging that it was there. I then referred to your past notes which are awful and banned you accordingly.

Ontop of this, you also told me to "fuck off" and a few other choice words which I didnt bother mentioning.

So yes, you 100% deserved this ban as it seems no matter how many times we speak to you, you dont dont improve.

[EstangaJr0830]

I was in the process of saying, are you fucking kidding me? Because you had told me that you burned the phoron, and I expected that it had all burned off by that point, but when I went to examine the chamber I was killed by your little intervention, this is just bringing light to your issue of not being clear or investigating situations properly. I ask that you stop acting like you're still in charge of this investigation and demeaning my argument further. I did not maintain my composure at that time because you flat out joined a server and intervened in a situation you knew nothing about with no regard for what had happened before you arrived.

[EstangaJr0830]

I acknowledged the phoron was there, yes. However, when you began burning the plasma it was burning through the wall, and after it stopped burning the wall I went in to figure out if it was complete. Also, this really could've been dealt with more amicably if you questioned the engineering staff before jumping to setting off a large plasma fire onboard the sulaco.

[Feweh]

but when I went to examine the chamber I was killed by your little intervention, this is just bringing light to your issue of not being clear or investigating situations properly. I ask that you stop acting like you're still in charge of this investigation and demeaning my argument further. I did not maintain my composure at that time because you flat out joined a server and intervened in a situation you knew nothing about with no regard for what had happened before you arrived.

So let me get this straight.

You are upset that I intervened to stop you from potentially releasing mass phoron onto the server and ruining the round for everyone? When for starters, you weren't even doing it properly as stated by Apop and you didn't have the phoron secured properly to even be dealt with?

Now you no longer want me to respond so your complaint isn't "demeaned" further?

Let me make this clear to you again so you understand why you were punished. You very possibly simply made a mistake, something which I was fine with warning you for and simply told you to stop doing. However, you then made another "mistake" and furthered the entire issue EVEN FURTHER making things worse. I then referred to your past behavior and notes (which is awful) and banned you accordingly to your history.

This is the initial note I placed before giving you a ban, showing that you were infact only being warned initially; Released phoron to try and generate power in engineering, heavily warned. by Feweh (Manager) on Sat, December 3rd of 2016

Now so you understand for the future, do not play with atmospherics. As you saw in my screenshot, any sort of atmospherics can be leaked into Sulaco ruining the entire round for players. There is never ANY reason to modify the engine or atmospherics.

You possibly did just make a large accumulation of "mistakes and errors", however there are only so many mistakes and errors you can make before you end up punished. Given your history, which is filled with "mistakes and errors", I decided to give you a hard punishment.

I won't respond anymore, simply because theres nothing else to say about all this.

[EstangaJr0830]

I never asked for your response. I think it's a grave oversight that the staff members referred to in a complaint are permitted to respond excessively on the matter, it should be up to the investigation to decide the course of action. Also, your initial decision does not include the fact that a previous moderator permitted it, which is what lead me to believe I was doing nothing wrong.

[slc97]

Every staff member has a right to defend themselves in a staff complaint and present their side of the argument in the same manner that you do. It wouldn't be very justiciable if the accused weren't able to present their defense.

[EstangaJr0830]

I agree with that, but they shouldn't be able to act as if they have the final judgement on the matter, they're the one in question here.

[EstangaJr0830]

Apophis, I'd like a reply, and for you to take into account the following ban appeal and Feweh's response. viewtopic.php?p=107236#p107236

[Snypehunter007]

Though I am a Not-Apophis, 15 notes within a month typically gets you some pretty hard punishments. Like day bans +. Actually if the notes are serious enough it WILL most likely get you a perma.

[EstangaJr0830]

Snype, I am quite aware, and regardless the simple fact of the matter is that he banned me for a mistake WHEN AN ADMIN PERMITTED IT. Not only did he ban me for seven days, but he also has job banned me from every command position and military police. I think he's a bit biased against me and his judgments against me should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Casany]

it was a MOD who permitted it, get it right m8

[Snypehunter007]

As of the day of your ban, lets see . . .

Notes:

Warned about using lethals to hold someone up in an attempt to detain when MP was unavailble. Resulted in a firefight that was handled mostly ICly. by (Moderator) on Wed, November 2nd of 2016

Went down to the planet as the CMO, told to return to the Sulaco, slightly arguementative. by (Moderator) on Fri, November 4th of 2016 Remove

Banned by |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Murdered a guy because he wouldn't give him hyperzine and because "we're dead anyway" since xenos were on board. Because of past lethal force note 4 days ago. by (Moderator) on Sun, November 6th of 2016

Banned by |Duration: 540 minutes|Reason: Repeat offender of improper esculation. Shot the CO to death because "He did not give me my supply earlier in the round". by (TrialModerator) on Tue, November 8th of 2016

Stole an ID to launch the rasp without authorisation, when told to give it back still launched it by (GameAdmin) on Wed, November 9th of 2016

Banned by |Duration: 720 minutes|Reason: Improper Esculation, attacked a MP in an argument with knife, sent into hard-crit. by (TrialModerator) on Fri, November 11th of 2016

"Accidentally" beat a prisoner with harm intent as a MP by (Manager) on Sat, November 12th of 2016

Went to the frontlines across the River and at the Caves as PO. Got hugged and ran back to the Shuttle when I told him to. by (Mentor) on Sat, November 19th of 2016

Horrible attitiude in ahelps, seems to ahelp when /anything/ that interrupts his powergamey-style happens. by (Moderator) on Sat, November 19th of 2016

injected two researchers with sopoforic and chloral because they stole his beaker. threatened to kill them if his beaker wasn't returned. by (Moderator) on Sun, November 20th of 2016

Fired on a CT and RO and purposely missed after the CT threatened them. Warned and un-slept to deal with the IC immplications. by (Moderator) on Wed, November 23rd of 2016

Was shot by a marine who immediately DC'd. Then proceeded to open fire in return as an MP. Warned, next improper lethal use I recommend a heavy ban of sorts. by (Moderator) on Wed, November 23rd of 2016

Seriously, 14 notes in the span of 30 days. no questions asked, anymore warnings are bans. by (Manager) on Sat, November 26th of 2016

Released phoron to try and generate power in engineering, heavily warned. by (Manager) on Sat, December 3rd of 2016

Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Extremely incompetent, mass released phoron in atmos for no logical reason. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Sat, December 3rd of 2016 Remove

Banned by feweh|Duration: 10080 minutes|Reason: 15 Notes in 30 days of playing, terrible player and terrible attitude. Next ban is a perma-ban, no further warnings. by (Manager) on Sat, December 3rd of 2016

And like Feweh said, he was originally going to just give you a warning as seen by the third from the bottom note. You releasing it farther did cause your ban to be placed. From what I am reading and understanding you weren't exactly banned for releasing the phoron itself, you were banned for the repeated bans and warnings and fact that you furthered the situation by opening a door (even if it wasn't intentional) and spreading the phoron further, after being warned.

[apophis775]

Ok,

I've looked into this and talked with feweh about it. There were several details that were left out of this complaint, such as your MASSIVE verbal assault on Feweh. I thought I locked this and posted already, but this is RESOLVED, with no action taken.

You've got a PILE of negative notes, and a history of grief. While I do not think you were intending to grief for this specific situation, your actions could have been viewed as grief by anyone who right-clicked you and saw the logs. So I can't fault staff for taking actions to protect the server from someone known as a griefer.

Also, please remember, admins MAY permit things under 0 rule for specific situations. THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT PERMISSION TO DO SO. Just because one admin allows something ONCE, doesn't mean a higher ranking one will allow it in the future.