Marine Salt from early round asswhoopin lead to temp-ban

[Rocco Ward]

Your Byond Key: Tilus

Your Character Name: Rocco 'Blackhole' Ward

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Just now

Which Admin Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Peer pressure from lots of butthurt dead marines lead to admins issuing a ban.

Ban Reason: You have been banned by thespoonycroy. Reason: As a xeno queen, help start a metarush toward the marines.


Description of the incident:

Server had just rebooted and I was selected as xeno with three others. None of the other xenos wanted to go Queen so I reluctantly agreed to do it. At roundstart we quickly formed a hive at a hidden location west of cargo containers in the NW. We put all of our furry hosts there and nested them waiting for larva to be born. All of our eggs were at this location!!! Shortly after, I hear reports in the hivemind that the survivors have formed up together as a team and were hiding in corporate dome.

We had ZERO drones, only 2 hunters, and a spitter. I head over there once the hive is established to spread weeds so that if any of my xenos happen to get injured or crit'd it won't result in a KIA. After waiting forever for the doors to melt we all breach inside corporate dome and siege the hosts. They put up small resistance but we manage to hug them all successfully without any xenos dying.

Now we are left with a choice. Either drag them all the way back to the hive where we don't have any tall hosts nests setup or just nest them here on the spot, long before the marines should arrive. Some of the hugger stun is starting to wear off for the survivors, so I opt for the latter. We build nests for the survivors and I weed the surrounding areas while we wait for them to hatch.

Halfway during the survivors incubation, the metal egg lands with a small squad of marines. I'm off weeding the sand paths near robotics and science when the marines engage the xenos. By the time I arrive to the corporate dome, the marines are breaching the inside, and I see the survivors we nested are attempting to flee.

A huge, long ass battle ensues. We pick off the marines one-by-one as they pour into corporate dome. We don't aim to capture at that point because it's 4 xenos vs 70 marines and we have larva in the NW cargo area.

Within 5 minutes of the battle xenos do the following:

• Kill 3 specialists
• Destroy 2 (maybe 3) sentries
• Dozens and dozens of marines, (everyone that initially landed on the pod is dead)
• The more marines that die, the more larva that coincidental become active, increasing our numbers

Of course after this marine massacre, the predictable happens. Lots of ahelps pour in against the hive for the marines disgraceful defeat early on. In fact during the battle, I witnessed standards (Kadson Conway) picking up fallen spec weapons and using them against our baby hive. I ahelped that and got no response. After the planet was declared victorious and a full marine retreat was issued, I got boinked by admins complaining about a xeno metarush....

So I believe that peer-pressure from lots of the dead marines lead to this unfair ban.

[forwardslashN]

At the 30 minute mark, as soon as the marines were landing on LZ2, you were physically in the drop pod. I messaged you, too, to which you didn't respond. The entire hive was also gathered at the IA dome, where you kept captured marines. This ban wasn't unfair at all.

[Rocco Ward]

Moderator PM from TheSpoonyCroy: Hey there, you were the queen who ordered this rush?
Moderator PM from TheSpoonyCroy: /built the nest so close to the 2nd lz?

PM to TheSpoonyCroy: I was the 1st queen?
PM to TheSpoonyCroy: We didn't choose to build the nest near LZ2. The 3 survivors holed up in Corporate dome
PM to TheSpoonyCroy: The main nest was located west of caves, near cargo containers
PM to TheSpoonyCroy: We nested the 3 survivors in the corporate dome and then mariens landed and attacked

Moderator PM from TheSpoonyCroy: and why was the xeno hive all there? since I know for a fact the surviviors were dispatched pretty quickly

PM to TheSpoonyCroy: There was only 4 xeno players at roundstart
PM to TheSpoonyCroy: We had no weeds, and I was only caste capable of producing weeds

Moderator PM from TheSpoonyCroy: Ok, I know this was all probably a horrid misunderstanding but this looks really bad and honestly this was quite crippling to marines at the start of the round, so I will be giving you a round ban due to this. If you disagree, you really can't appeal it (since its not longer than 24 hours) but you can file a complaint here: viewforum.php?f=118

PM to TheSpoonyCroy: I'll be sure to issue a complaint since the marine salt is hiliarious

Moderator PM from TheSpoonyCroy: well see you in 3 hours and in the fourms, sir

PM to TheSpoonyCroy: Sounds good

[nicholas98]

As a person who was observing the round and was a xeno for a short amount of time during that round, I would like to act as a witness to the events of this round.
I was watching you as the queen move to the IA dome, along with the one spitter you had. You'd just ordered the spitter to go with the hunters to get the tallhosts. It was somewhat baffling as to what you were doing, staying there and nesting them.
It's not really true that your only two choices were to drag them back to a hive that had no nest or nest them in the IA. You could have stayed in the hive, made the nests yourself, and then had the hunters deliver the hosts to the nests via devour and regurgitate. There wasn't really a need to nest in the IA dome, as a result.
If you had a concern that there were no nests ready to be able to get the survivors, you could have waited and built nests and then had your hive do it. You could also have just waited, if you didn't think you had enough xenos to be able to subdue and move them in time. As a result I personally believe that the moderator made the right choice.
This is just my opinion as a witness who saw the whole thing.

Another thing: For the short time i was xeno, i saw you make a queen announcement that was like 'Let's send a strike force in the pod'. If you were not intending to rush, it didn't really look unintentional.

[Rocco Ward]

as soon as the marines were landing on LZ2

When the marines landed I wasn't near LZ2 at all. I was near robotics/science area. I recall this because I had to enable frenzy and haul ass down there to help.

you were physically in the drop pod. I messaged you, too, to which you didn't respond

I weeded the pod and telecomms after the squad from the pod rushed us and died. And there were marines pouring in from atmospherics engaging in battle, so I was busy.

The entire hive was also gathered at the IA dome

Our entire hive was 4 xenos. It grew little by little, but it was tiny.

where you kept captured marines.

The survivors were also in the IA dome waiting to hatch. Out of the dozens of dead marines, some xenos captured 1-2. If you looked at LZ2 you would see lots of dead marine carcasses loitered about.

[Rocco Ward]

As a person who was observing the round and was a xeno for a short amount of time during that round, I would like to act as a witness to the events of this round.

Awesome! I'm glad there is a third-person point of view from roundstart.

I was watching you as the queen move to the IA dome, along with the one spitter you had. You'd just ordered the spitter to go with the hunters to get the tallhosts.

As I moved to IA, I was weeding surrounding areas. Even after the spitter acid'd the entrances it would shortly run out of plasma. We had no other castes capable of weeding except for myself.

It was somewhat baffling as to what you were doing, staying there and nesting them.

By the time we had hugged all the survivors, some of the huggers were making the laughing sound. I didn't think we were going to have enough time to transport the survivors to the NW hive safely.

It's not really true that your only two choices were to drag them back to a hive that had no nest or nest them in the IA. You could have stayed in the hive, made the nests yourself, and then had the hunters deliver the hosts to the nests via devour and regurgitate. There wasn't really a need to nest in the IA dome, as a result.

See above. I wasn't going to risk one of the three xenos I had in the hive dying, much less the greater risk that the survivors would pose to the larva unguarded while I was off weeding locations.

If you had a concern that there were no nests ready to be able to get the survivors, you could have waited and built nests and then had your hive do it. You could also have just waited, if you didn't think you had enough xenos to be able to subdue and move them in time.

We didn't have numbers. Sure, at roundstart with a hive of 10 this would be the right call to make. But we had nobody weeding, nobody building fortifications, nobody building nests. Nothing. As for waiting, we all know what happens when survivors get hugged. They just suicide. (in fact one of the survivors that was nested managed to escape and shoot himself in the head multiple times before we managed to subdue him)

As a result I personally believe that the moderator made the right choice.
This is just my opinion as a witness who saw the whole thing.

Thank you for your input, although I disagree on the ban choice.

[Casany]

I also believe the moderator made the right chance for the simple fact that you DIDNT NEED to grab the survivors. There was no reason to grab the survivors in this situation as they provided nothing but three more larva. I agree about not risking the lives of your other sisters but again, they were hold out BOLTED in IA, they weren't gonna attack you and they provided no strategic purpose other then having three more larva.

[Rocco Ward]

How many marines ahelped? This is relevant info to the complaint.

[Casany]

How many marines ahelped? This is relevant info to the complaint.

Not sure, wasn't in the round. I'd give an educated guess of lotz

[TheSpoonyCroy]

Actually, I didn't do this due to the marine salt, Its so common, you sort of start to ignore it over time. The reason why you were banned was because I asked on the staff slack about it and I was told to ban the Queen who organized it. Also to the spec part, I talked to him about it and gave him a note on the incident since he was pretty clean (well in that area at least)

Also if you are going to say I asked on slack because of the marine salt, nope. I just did it since I rarely see Xeno metarushes and so I thought it would be a good idea to ask on the slack for this info since the marines do have their own metarushing rules, so its safe to assume that xenos would as well

[Rocco Ward]

I also believe the moderator made the right chance for the simple fact that you DIDNT NEED to grab the survivors. There was no reason to grab the survivors in this situation as they provided nothing but three more larva. I agree about not risking the lives of your other sisters but again, they were hold out BOLTED in IA, they weren't gonna attack you and they provided no strategic purpose other then having three more larva.

It's debatable. Survivors provide extra larva, are lightly armed (usually), and prevent the marines from gaining access to metagame knowledge. (chest-bursting, location of hive, etc.) There is plenty of strategic purpose to capture or incapacitate them, otherwise they will become more heavily armed and a bigger threat.

Likewise, it's not the fault of the hive that survivors decided to bunker down a grenade's throw away from LZ2. We captured them there at that location, not the same thing as a meta-rush.

I explained this in the admin PM's and still got banned. It's ridiculous.

[Feweh]

Ya, this ban is fine.
Part of being in important roles and jobs is making round impacting decisions. You made a bad decision that was very META, even if it wasn't intentional.

A few xenos hitting marines as they land is fine, however the Queen and the entire hive being right there is not fine.
We've also banned and job-banned players before for this behavior as it's round ruining.

[Shyguychizzy]

Can confirm, was present as a spc that round. Reports of LZ2 was already overruled. When I got down and deployed via rasputin, went to LZ2 and infact multiple xenos there. As a marine player and many other marines who partook weren't only salty but the experience you legitly killed it for meh and them. I am fine ok thirty minutes mark they took hydro then held and fortified it but this what you did I think was quite worthy of the ban. Not much marine salt but it's the fact you ruined who ever was playing as a marine that round's experience.

[Rocco Ward]

A few xenos hitting marines as they land is fine however the Queen and the entire hive being right there is not fine.

Thank you for agreeing with me on this. The number of xenos in the corporate dome was four total. Would definitely fall into the category of a "few" obviously.

On your second point - our hive with larva and eggs was located NW cargo, very VERY FAR AWAY from the marines.

Thus we were capturing the survivors and weeding surrounding areas before we were engaged by marines. Maybe if the survivors weren't camping next to the LZ this could have all been avoided but that was not the case.

[Rocco Ward]

I keep seeing admins and mentors point out

the entire hive

in their comments again and again. It's frustrating because this was NOT a normal round. The server had rebooted and there was a severe lack of xenos at roundstart.

We had three xenos and myself as queen. 3 + 1 = 4

FOUR XENOS TOTAL

So when you all say "the entire hive", in this context it's meaningless and somewhat disingenuous. Normal rounds have hives of +15 xenos. Most people are going to associate the numbers of the "entire hive" with a large amount of xenos gathered. Our hive was freakishly tiny. So anything we did counted as the "entire hive". The entire hive, gathered furries. The entire hive, fought marines. The entire hive, captured survivors. The entire hive, did x, y, z. BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY FOUR OF US. IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER IN THIS CONTEXT. KEEP THAT IN MIND!!!

[forwardslashN]

FOUR XENOS TOTAL

As someone who was observing the round, there were two runners, one queen, one praetorian, one crusher, and two tier twos that I'm not sure what they were. Some were also engaging marines who were coming from LZ1. After the runners were killed, two more showed up. You, the praetorian, and the two runners did most of the fighting on the LZ2 while the rest were about 5 squares in the IA dome, watching the captured marines, or fighting nearby.

[Nokington]

I was a xeno in this round and I observed for the first bit. The queen and three others captured the survivors and nested them in the IA dome. A few minutes later a ton of larva burst at the hive in the NW and the majority of us stayed up there until someone shouted that the metal egg had come down with lots of hosts so we all ran down there to help the Queen. Which resulted in heavy marine loss.

[Feweh]

Resolved.

Dont attack the dropships upon first landing as the Queen, mistake or not.