Fewah(edit- previously unknown):Heavily influencing game without good reason.

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Fewah(edit- previously unknown):Heavily influencing game without good reason.

Post by golfer45 » 07 May 2017, 21:47

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Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):
7:30, 5/7/17

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
Protocols: 1 and 2. No pm was ever received to any players in the bunker(To my knowledge).
Code of conduct:
Do Not abuse your power.
Preserve Rp and enjoyment of the Sever. Specifically point 2: We’re a server focused on the enjoyment of the players. As long as the players are having a blast and not every single rule is being broken, it’s okay to let some things slide here and there.
and point 3: Do not try to heavily influence the game unless it is for very good reasoning such as for an event, a player purposefully holding up the game, dishing out punishment for rule breaking (Examples: a commander killed a marine unjustly, a squad of marines are killing other marines for no reason, a queen is slashing every host known to man, aliens have stacked too many huggers) or other such things.


Description of the incident:
Marines had built a fallback position(aka panic bunker) at lz1. It had been mined into the rock with one entrance. As soon as Lz1 came under attack but before any aliens got even close to the panic bunker or marines fell back to it, the south wall of rock was destroyed via explosion. Allowing a alien hunter and runner to run in right after explosion. Marines then re position the sentries south into the new hole in the wall. The hole was then patched and sentries were moved to the west wall of the room. Upon being moved to the west wall one of the sentries was blown up in the same manner as the wall. At the time of the first sentry being destroyed aliens had still yet to breach the room as the south wall breach had been walled off. Shortly after the sentry was destroyed the walls put in the south breach were destroyed by alien acid. At which point the aliens as a whole attacked the room for the first time quickly taking it.

Throughout the whole incident neither of the two engineers in the room were pm'ed by an admin explaining his or her actions(To my knowledge). Both incidents of things being destroyed happened before the aliens assaulted it as a whole. With the south wall being destroyed before even a single alien had tried to set foot in the bunker. This was not an indecent of aliens throwing themselves against a FoB and being unable to take it resulting in the round end being delayed. This was a preemptive destruction of an FoB that had not even been attacked yet.

After destruction of the panic bunker I pm'ed admins asking for the name of the person who destroyed the south wall and sentry, making my intention clear of creating a forum report and got no response.
Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Admins online at the time:
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The panic bunker(taken after it had fallen):
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Note the piles of sand in the south breach caused by explosion.

Pm to staff that received no response:
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How you would punish the accused:
I have no idea how the accused should be punished. Depends upon whether or not the accused is known to have done things like this before.
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Re: Unknown Staff Member:Heavily influencing game without good reason.

Post by Snypehunter007 » 07 May 2017, 21:50

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Post by Monoo » 07 May 2017, 22:52

Other engineer here. Just want to say I'm not salty about this, since I don't mind my round being shaken up that much. But this is a bit of an overextension of admin power that could present some problems down the road.

Neither golfer nor I were powergaming in any way; we were merely acknowledging the fact that the dropships were soon to be overrun because of a weak FOB and so retreated to the panic room for a last stand. With the actions taken we were denied this right and additionally offered no explanation.

Again, this is a kind of micromanaging and obsessive staff work that I would be dismayed to see in the future. I wouldn't really want a harsh punishment for whoever did it, just a talking to about their role in preserving the sense of the game.
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Post by Feweh » 07 May 2017, 23:15

oh ya, it was me.

Totally blew it up because you were digging into the caves creating a small chokepoint with 2 sentry turret.
Which you also took 2 sentry turrets away from your team-mate who were actually defending the FOB and could of evaced with them.

So yes, there was a really good reason.

Instead of allowing you to be a shitler by stealing your teams sentry turrets for yourself I opened a hole.

Actually it was really just to deter you from doing it further, but for some reason even with a gaping hole you continued dragging more materials and sentry turrets into your hidey hole.

I have 0 regrets with ruining you shitty selfish fort as you had no remorse in taking those sentry turrets away from your teammates and killing them.

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Post by apophis775 » 07 May 2017, 23:37

I have a few question:

1. Where did you get all the turrets? I heard you did more than one in there
2. Why were you digging out a "bunker" by yourself?
3 Why weren't you helping reinforce or defend the FOB?
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Post by Monoo » 07 May 2017, 23:45

Feweh wrote:oh ya, it was me.

Totally blew it up because you were digging into the caves creating a small chokepoint with 2 sentry turret.
Which you also took 2 sentry turrets away from your team-mate who were actually defending the FOB and could of evaced with them.

So yes, there was a really good reason.

Instead of allowing you to be a shitler by stealing your teams sentry turrets for yourself I opened a hole.

Actually it was really just to deter you from doing it further, but for some reason even with a gaping hole you continued dragging more materials and sentry turrets into your hidey hole.

I have 0 regrets with ruining you shitty selfish fort as you had no remorse in taking those sentry turrets away from your teammates and killing them.
That's not how it went down. Command had already ordered an evac, and both sentries had been deactivated and/or moved away from active FOB defense at the time (one of them was facing the side of the dropship). When we went inside the hollowed out room, I'm fairly certain everyone was at or around the dropship attempting to leave, meaning the turrets would have been destroyed anyway. We didn't steal them away, especially not under orders to defend and hold the FOB - had that been the case, we would have done so.

And even if we had taken the turrets while everyone else was still trying to hold, that's entirely an IC issue that shouldn't be solved by exploding them with zero pretense or explanation.

I'm not trying to fight you on this, simply making my case. Worried about the lack of warning beforehand more than anything.
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Re: Unknown Staff Member:Heavily influencing game without good reason.

Post by Monoo » 07 May 2017, 23:50

apophis775 wrote:I have a few question:

1. Where did you get all the turrets? I heard you did more than one in there
2. Why were you digging out a "bunker" by yourself?
3 Why weren't you helping reinforce or defend the FOB?
1. I'm not entirely certain where the first turret came from, as I said in response to Feweh it was sitting facing the dropship.

2. As to why the bunker was created, not sure. I didn't do it; I was building the FOB the entire round. I went into it after we started packing up the FOB, since I saw the potential for the last stand there. Because command called a quick and sloppy retreat, I knew the xenos were going to be either right at the dropship or breaching into it before it launched, so I tried to save the turrets at least for a little while. Maybe a bit of bad judgement on my part.

3. As I said, I built almost the entire FOB myself, but I had extremely limited supplies and the retreat had been called. People were stripping the defenses, including the sentries, and heading towards the dropship.
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Post by golfer45 » 07 May 2017, 23:52

Feweh wrote:oh ya, it was me.

Totally blew it up because you were digging into the caves creating a small chokepoint with 2 sentry turret.
Which you also took 2 sentry turrets away from your team-mate who were actually defending the FOB and could of evaced with them.

So yes, there was a really good reason.

Instead of allowing you to be a shitler by stealing your teams sentry turrets for yourself I opened a hole.

Actually it was really just to deter you from doing it further, but for some reason even with a gaping hole you continued dragging more materials and sentry turrets into your hidey hole.

I have 0 regrets with ruining you shitty selfish fort as you had no remorse in taking those sentry turrets away from your teammates and killing them.
Why didn't you tell me fewah when I pmed you. Also calling me a selfish shitler in your staff report thread is pretty unprofessional.
Its starting to seem like you have a grudge against me for some reason fewah as a few days ago you pmed me this calling me a shitler aswell.
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As per apop's questions seems moono explained them well. Neither sentry was stolen one was monoo's, one was mine.

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Post by Feweh » 08 May 2017, 00:11

golfer45 wrote:Why didn't you tell me fewah when I pmed you. Also calling me a selfish shitler in your staff report thread is pretty unprofessional.
Its starting to seem like you have a grudge against me for some reason fewah as a few days ago you pmed me this calling me a shitler aswell.
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As per apop's questions seems moono explained them well. Neither sentry was stolen one was monoo's, one was mine.

Honestly didn't even see your ahelp or I would of told you.

Chances are, if I have to speak to you multiple times in the span of a few days... you're doing some really shitler like behavior.

ie; FFing your own teammates and stealing essential supplies to forward your own game-play.

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Post by Monoo » 08 May 2017, 00:15

Feweh wrote:Honestly didn't even see your ahelp or I would of told you.

Chances are, if I have to speak to you multiple times in the span of a few days... you're doing some really shitler like behavior.

ie; FFing your own teammates and stealing essential supplies to forward your own game-play.
Okay, that's fair. I dunno about golfer, but I'm fine with it as long as the no response thing wasn't on purpose.

In the future I won't do this anymore, figure I'll get the sentries straight to the dropship during evac or die keeping them repaired at the barricades. Thanks for the closure.
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Post by golfer45 » 08 May 2017, 00:26

Feweh wrote:Honestly didn't even see your ahelp or I would of told you.

Chances are, if I have to speak to you multiple times in the span of a few days... you're doing some really shitler like behavior.

ie; FFing your own teammates and stealing essential supplies to forward your own game-play.
Fewah this isn't really about me its about your actions. As stated earlier we ddin't steal anything. And you haven't spoken to me multiple times in a few days as you never pm'ed us, nor responded to my pm.

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Post by Feweh » 08 May 2017, 00:31

golfer45 wrote:Fewah this isn't really about me its about your actions. As stated earlier we ddin't steal anything. And you haven't spoken to me multiple times in a few days as you never pm'ed us, nor responded to my pm.

Anyways, in all honesty I dont care.

I blew a hole into your little cave base that you made to stop you from stealing supplies uselessly and screwing over your teammates.
I even admin moved the sentry so it wouldnt be killed by xenos.

You then went right back to it, gathered another sentry and bunkered in there despite the open hole.

The round wasn't heavily influenced, it was you and one other person who were effected by it and really.

I think for the masses of players and me watching 1 player create a little secret base for themselves stealing sentry turrets from their teammates is pretty shit.

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Post by golfer45 » 08 May 2017, 00:49

Feweh wrote:Anyways, in all honesty I dont care.

I blew a hole into your little cave base that you made to stop you from stealing supplies uselessly and screwing over your teammates.
I even admin moved the sentry so it wouldnt be killed by xenos.

You then went right back to it, gathered another sentry and bunkered in there despite the open hole.

The round wasn't heavily influenced, it was you and one other person who were effected by it and really I don't care.

I think for the masses of players and me watching 1 player create a little secret base for themselves stealing sentry turrets from their teammates is pretty shit.
Once the hole was open we had to defend it considering the original path led to ds1. After the bunker was taken it was then used by aliens to get to ds1. And again fewah neither sentry was stolen nor were supplies stolen and this wasn't a secret base at all. It was intended originally to be opened to the east with about 3 passageways allowing marines to fire east outside lz1. When aliens started swarming out there it became obvious we had no time to make it as originally intended and was then used as a fallback position. As per the masses of players, It would have been fine if I, moono and the other marine in there were the last 3 in the round and we were stopping said masses of players from starting a new round. However that was not the case. Aliens hadn't even boarded the ship yet.

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Post by slc97 » 08 May 2017, 12:17

Oh boy, I was the commander this round. At this point in time, the evacuation order had been postponed due to a winning battle at the FOB.

For numerous reasons, one being my more limited knowledge on he walls of Bug Red and another being the fact the squad in charge of the FOB just didn't set it up until it was too late, the FOB was seriously hindered all round. So you went ahead and stole supplies from it to try and make yourself a little bunker.

If anyone seriously affected the round, it was you by further fucking over an already fucked FOB. The only people affected by the hole being opened was you and Monoo. I would've done the same thing.

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Post by apophis775 » 08 May 2017, 13:48

Monoo wrote:1. I'm not entirely certain where the first turret came from, as I said in response to Feweh it was sitting facing the dropship.

2. As to why the bunker was created, not sure. I didn't do it; I was building the FOB the entire round. I went into it after we started packing up the FOB, since I saw the potential for the last stand there. Because command called a quick and sloppy retreat, I knew the xenos were going to be either right at the dropship or breaching into it before it launched, so I tried to save the turrets at least for a little while. Maybe a bit of bad judgement on my part.

3. As I said, I built almost the entire FOB myself, but I had extremely limited supplies and the retreat had been called. People were stripping the defenses, including the sentries, and heading towards the dropship.

Wasn't talking to you. Please read the rules about posting in a complaint as well.
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Post by apophis775 » 08 May 2017, 13:58

Ok, I'm going to give the final official ruling on this:

I don't see Feweh doing anything wrong here. We've ALWAYS taken minor admin action against "cave-bunkers" like that. Unless the explosion was bigger than 1-3 squares in diameter, there's no real problem.

Also, I don't see this as "heavily influencing a round". He broke the hole into the south side of your little fort base thing. Best solution for that to not happen is to build and work with the team and don't mine out a shitty little hangout cove.

And remember, the senties are not "yours" to defend "you". They are property of the USCM and used to defend the FOB and other marines. You should have it somewhere it can be useful, not inside a party-cave. Remember our gameplay is focused on TEAM PLAY not single-person safe-rooms.

I'm locking this with no action taken against Feweh.
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