Staff Report - Feweh - Unprofessional Conduct unbecoming of an admin, and 'Subtle' abuse.

[BeyondMyLife]

Your Byond Key:BeyondMyLife

Your Character Name: Natalia 'Ocelot' Chernikov

Their Byond key:Feweh

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):7:40-7;50

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:Un-professional conduct, attempting to make up some kind of situation, then straw-manning me into attempting to believe he was right, Do not abuse your power, I believe this punishment was way too harsh, due to the simple fact that I was outright ERT-Job-banned for ghosting after joining as a xeno ERT.

Description of the incident:Essentially, what had happened was, i joined the round to observe, as when I looked at jobs there was nothing I liked, during that time, I was talking to my daughter, i'll slap a picture of our logs in down below, and popped in, not realizing I was on the wrong tab, I meant to hit follow player, but without looking, I clicked where my cursor was before alt-tabbing back to the chat with my daughter after realizing I was on the wrong tab, and moving down to follow a player while I alt-tabbed back out to talk to her, so I then heard a beep, and decided to check what it was, I had been deployed as a xeno, I was somewhat confused about this, and ghosted because of it, I did not contact the admins, because looking at the area in the rules that dictates on that, it says nothing about ERT, as they are not immediate or at round start, and as a xeno, you don't exactly have cryo pods, at the end of the round I was PM'd from Feweh, with no investigation into why it happened at all, no care about what might have occurred, just straight out job-banned from any and ALL ERT's, I attempted to explain my situation to him, to no avail, he then attempted to pull a situation of ' I hit a car, but I didn't mean to' which I responded with 'You exchange insurance information, you don't go to jail or get banned from driving' Which he eventually attempted to straw-man the situation by saying it was a hit and run at a later time to try to get his 'point' across, which was ridiculous, on top of such was his insults to my grammar/such, which I cannot help to a high degree, not being a natural speaker of english

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):http://prntscr.com/fbdfce http://prntscr.com/fbdff9 One of his many insults http://prntscr.com/fbdfhu My explaining further http://prntscr.com/fbdflg Him ignoring any kind of explaining I've done to him thus far, and attempting to accuse me again http://prntscr.com/fbdfpj http://prntscr.com/fbdftr Here comes the hilariously bad straw-manning http://prntscr.com/fbdfyv My response to his first one http://prntscr.com/fbdg11 His response http://prntscr.com/fbdg58 my response http://prntscr.com/fbdg71 Here we are, the hilariously rediculous straw-manning http://prntscr.com/fbdgbp My attempt to point it out: http://prntscr.com/fbdgdz Further explaining of what 'straw manning' is to feweh: http://prntscr.com/fbdgfm His attempt to toss it out like it's nothing http://prntscr.com/fbdgiv His bragging, and after that, attempted ideal of trying to toss it off http://prntscr.com/fbdglp http://prntscr.com/fbdgop And instead of attempting to investigate any further, he ended the round. http://prntscr.com/fbdgsq Here are the posts with my daughter, ((My time zone is 2 hours behind CST)) http://prntscr.com/fbdh0r Not showing any above that due to it being about personal IRL matters.

((Adding on)) Fewehs behavior on the forums, furthering how little respect he seems to have for his players http://prntscr.com/fbdk8y

How you would punish the accused:My ERT ban revoked, and something done about his behavior, bans like this in the future should be investigated instead of 'on a hunch'

[Karmac]

I personally was jobbanned for doing the exact same thing a while ago, your wasting everybody's time and an ERT slot by ghosting after joining it.

"I didn't know what was happening" isn't a good enough excuse at the best of times.

[BeyondMyLife]

Shouldn't matter, case by case basis's are a thing, and it is easy to hit a variable button and pop somebodies Ckey in who might want it, it takes about 30 seconds to a minute at max, I know that to be a fact, I administrated yawn station since 2007


Furthermore, it doesn't excuse his behavior, or his lack of investigation before applying the proper-jobban

[Karmac]

It's a matter of principle, if we let players do that then what's to stop them doing it when there are no staff online/no staff capable of messing with Ckeys?

[BeyondMyLife]

It's not a matter of principle at all, because I know this for a fact from another server that many people on this server frequent, V.O.R.E, they generally don't have any ghosting at all, and multiple times when I have needed to go to the hospital, whether from my heart way back last summer, or my intestinal blockage near December, or simply being way too tired to even move, due to my depression, they've been understanding of such, and even then, have been harsh whenever I've done anything legitimately wrong, principles only stand so high before becoming inconceivably ridiculous

Tell me, if your principles said humans were on the same exact level as animals, would you shove a thermometer up your asshole to check your temperature? There is a limit.

[Crab_Spider]

As a witness, you outright stated you were ghosting because you don't play xeno in LOOC before actually ghosting.

[BeyondMyLife]

Yes, and I told them why afterwards, and furthermore, I've even given the /logs and timezone/ to as why I ended up getting into the ERT in the first place, I hoped that the LOOC message would reach the admins, as with 156 players on, It would seem rather crowded for them on Ahelps, just as much as LOOC.



However, the majority of this isn't just about the ERT, but about his behavior. Which seems to be forgotten.

[Feweh]

[Biolock]

If you want to be un-jobbanned you'll have to appeal the ban in the ban appeal section. Not saying you don't have a case for being unbanned, this just isn't the place for that. Whether or not what feweh said was right or wrong is a tad bit out of my paygrade, so I've got nothing to say on that end.

[BeyondMyLife]

If you have realized or even read it properly, this isn't just about his ban, but how he handled it, his conduct, and his behavior during, and now /after/ the ban.

[Feweh]

If you have realized or even read it properly, this isn't just about his ban, but how he handled it, his conduct, and his behavior during, and now /after/ the ban.

What was the bad conduct, you asked for an explanation and I gladly explained it using a real life example?
Where did I insult you or berate you?

I honestly have no idea what you're reporting, like seriously.
You were job-banned for a legit reason, I gave you fair explanation and tried to explain it to you, you then started going on about straw-manning and I gave up and stopped delaying the round for the 150+ players.

Honestly, this is a REALLY bad report and is pretty much the definition of a salty report with false accusations.

[BeyondMyLife]

If you have bothered to read the 20 different pictures that I am showing, you'd start to see it.


Your apparently still in 'fewehs world'

[Feweh]

If you have bothered to read the 20 different pictures that I am showing, you'd start to see it.


Your apparently still in 'fewehs world'

Alright then

[Aetsuki]

But this is in part about the ban. First and foremost, ahelp it. We do not watch LOOC for people trying to tell us things, the concern about it being high-pop is nice, but not necessary, we're able to handle things. As for Feweh's behaviour, I'd like to pull logs of the incident, but personally if this is just about his words, then if I'm honest I don't see an issue. He tells you what you did wrong, tries to explain it with a metaphor, and when you continue to dispute the ban. This seems more like "Feweh refused to repeal his ban on me and I'm not happy that I didn't get the treatment I wanted.". At best I will say that I've dealt with you previously, and you can be somewhat demanding and difficult to deal with. In particular I'm thinking of the incident where I told you it would be better to file a player report, and you explicitly told me you never touched the forums.

Further contesting your excuse on the ban, we are not VORE station in any sense other than we both run SS13. They run extended RP rounds in a completely different environment, which means we handle things differently.

[Kavrick]

I dont understand the issue here, you were banned from ERT because you ghosted as soon as you realized it was xeno ert, and are complaining that feweh explained to you why you were banned? Also you claim that he was insulting you, even though the insult was extremely subtle and pretty polite for feweh, also i noticed in your responses you basically called him cock and/or arrogant in a similar way, so you cant really complain about someone doing something after you do it yourself. Anyway, a admin or mod does not need to argue the rules with you, it's pretty obvious what you did wrong and he explained it to you, just because you dont like the explanation doesn't really mean the staff member in question is in the wrong.

[apophis775]

I'll investigate this, but I tend to agree with Karmac. It's standard procedure to job-ban anyone who ghosts as an ERT, especially if they don't ahelp first.

[Rahlzel]

without looking, I clicked where my cursor was before alt-tabbing back to the chat with my daughter after realizing I was on the wrong tab, and moving down to follow a player while I alt-tabbed back out to talk to her, so I then heard a beep, and decided to check what it was, I had been deployed as a xeno

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[18:46:45]ACCESS: Login: BeyondMyLife/(BeyondMyLife) from [REDACTED] || BYOND v511
[18:58:01]ACCESS: Logout: *no key*/(BeyondMyLife)
[18:58:01]ACCESS: Login: BeyondMyLife/(Natalia 'Ocelot' Chernikov) from [REDACTED] || BYOND v511
[19:20:33]ACCESS: Login: BeyondMyLife/(Spitter) from [REDACTED] || BYOND v511
[19:20:51]OOC: (LOCAL) Young Spitter (60)/BeyondMyLife : ghosting, I don't play aliums
[19:20:55]GAME: <a href='?priv_msg=[0x500009c]'>BeyondMyLife</a>/(<font color='#FFA500'>Young Spitter (60)</font>) has ghosted.
[19:20:55]ACCESS: Login: BeyondMyLife/(Young Spitter (60)) from [REDACTED] || BYOND v511
[19:21:35]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : No worries, xeno DS has one less alien
[19:21:44]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : I don't play alien, but tried for a ERT
[19:36:55]ADMIN: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks) perma-banned BeyondMyLife/(Young Spitter (60)) from Emergency Response Team

[19:20:51]OOC: (LOCAL) Young Spitter (60)/BeyondMyLife : ghosting, I don't play aliums
[19:21:35]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : No worries, xeno DS has one less alien
[19:21:44]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : I don't play alien, but tried for a ERT

[apophis775]

Or, Rahl can investigate it. That works for me.

[slc97]

Looks like this investigation has uncovered that Feweh can be kind of a dick sometimes. This was something that none of us were aware of before this.

For future reference, if your report states "I want my ban repealed" you're not filing a staff report, you're filing a ban appeal.

[apophis775]

This is resolved, but currently undergoing a final investigation.

Our general decision is:


Feweh can be a bit of an ass.

While his single comment about common sense was "toeing the line" on acceptable responses, after reading the entire conversation and taking all aspects of the situation into consideration, we decided to take no action.

However, this is under investigation as a potentially false report due to your statement that you accidently clicked, but server logs showing:

[19:20:51]OOC: (LOCAL) Young Spitter (60)/BeyondMyLife : ghosting, I don't play aliums
[19:21:35]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : No worries, xeno DS has one less alien
[19:21:44]SAY: Ghost/BeyondMyLife : I don't play alien, but tried for a ERT

Final results will be posted here when we make our final decision.

[Feweh]

This is resolved.

I spoke to beyondmylife myself and dont feel any further action is required.
This was technically a false report, as he did lie though.

Player has been heavily warned.