Report against Solidfury7

[Westhybrid]

Resolving this as an IC issue.

Your complaint is that the CO wasn't following his procedures, yet a huge no-no from yourself is right here and going against Marine Law.

10:52:31]SAY: Darius Ico/WestHybrid : I won't even put you in a cell. You can hang out on the shuttle for ten minutes and come right back.
[10:53:01]SAY: Darius Ico/WestHybrid : Insubordination, neglect of duty. Allegedly you have been getting in the way of the Commander's establishment of the FOB.

That in itself is going against Marine Law as you must brig the person for the laws they commit.
Obviously Solid didn't see this, but he was right in his accusations in the end that you yourself were an actual issue and potentially could cause him problems in the future.

Provided with Solid further having an actual plan and discussion with others to remove you from CMP (justified or not) shows RP and no ill intent to cause grief.
Further-more, the EORG will not be considered grief as the execution was follow up RP.
Provided West himself egged on the CO to even execute him using IC means further engaging along the role-play that was being generated.


All of this is being deemed IC and both side themselves dealt with it the entire time through IC means.
There was no reason to further take it to OOC means afterwards honestly.


For clarifications, Chaz could of been battlefield executed himself planetside, the CO as West himself stated had all the right to be there and orders around any marines he wanted.

This was actually a decent RP set up turned bad due to saltiness at the end.

Would be nice if you could put yourself in my shoes for a moment instead of just defending your Mentor.

You're missing the big point. Yeah, the issue is IC, but that's what I'm trying to talk about. Beyond the fact that he's a Mentor, and a pretty good one at that, he's on the CO whitelist and he did these things as a Commander. His IC behaviors have to be held to a higher standard, or what is the point of the whitelist to begin with? I'm also on the goddamn list, and if I did something like that at the end of the round, with reasoning made of sand and paper mache, and killed the CMP, you'd be sure as shit hearing from your Mods and your Mentors that some scrub committed improper escalation and ought to be removed from the Whitelist for being a bad CO. But he's on the inside track as a Mentor, so his side is easier to take than mine. He's in your ear, I'm not.

The issue is IC, and that's the point. It's easy to peg me as salty, but I was actually enjoying the roleplay up until I was shot. And yeah, that seems obvious, I died, boohoo, but in reality I would've been fine being arrested, demoted, brigged, even executed down the line if it was up to more than just Solid on a spur of the moment escalated murder. He took a vote between himself and two other people, whereas the entire MP department refused to take part and pretty much told him it was a poor idea. Had the round not ended, he could've told High Command to demote me, put me in a cell, had be executed later on. It didn't play out like that. And even then, with the round ending right then and there, he could have had me brigged or we could've kept talking, gone to High Command (like he should have, and it would've been easy, because he IS High Command), etc.

I wouldn't have given a shit if he didn't make a selfish choice. It didn't benefit anyone's round but his own. It didn't make mine or the other MP's, the other marine goon or the Lieutenant that followed him have a more significant round. And of course it's not his job to make everyone else have a good round, but it could be argued it's at least not his job to make anyone's round a shitty one. I don't care if the Commander plays a rational guy or a sociopath, and I have no ill wills against Solid because I know he's good at his job, but the moment you start using the privileges of your role, the role that is used to push narrative that benefits more than just yourself, and you use those privileges for selfish reasons, I don't really feel like playing with you anymore.

That's my beef. I'm not salty. I'm passionate about Colonial Marines having a high standard of roleplay, because that's where the server is headed and has been developing towards. It's a place where there is a military structure and shit is supposed to make sense. If I'm wrong, tell me.

[Feweh]

Would be nice if you could put yourself in my shoes for a moment instead of just defending your Mentor.

You're missing the big point. Yeah, the issue is IC, but that's what I'm trying to talk about. Beyond the fact that he's a Mentor, and a pretty good one at that, he's on the CO whitelist and he did these things as a Commander. His IC behaviors have to be held to a higher standard, or what is the point of the whitelist to begin with? I'm also on the goddamn list, and if I did something like that at the end of the round, with reasoning made of sand and paper mache, and killed the CMP, you'd be sure as shit hearing from your Mods and your Mentors that some scrub committed improper escalation and ought to be removed from the Whitelist for being a bad CO. But he's on the inside track as a Mentor, so his side is easier to take than mine. He's in your ear, I'm not.

The issue is IC, and that's the point. It's easy to peg me as salty, but I was actually enjoying the roleplay up until I was shot. And yeah, that seems obvious, I died, boohoo, but in reality I would've been fine being arrested, demoted, brigged, even executed down the line if it was up to more than just Solid on a spur of the moment escalated murder. He took a vote between himself and two other people, whereas the entire MP department refused to take part and pretty much told him it was a poor idea. Had the round not ended, he could've told High Command to demote me, put me in a cell, had be executed later on. It didn't play out like that. And even then, with the round ending right then and there, he could have had me brigged or we could've kept talking, gone to High Command (like he should have, and it would've been easy, because he IS High Command), etc.

I wouldn't have given a shit if he didn't make a selfish choice. It didn't benefit anyone's round but his own. It didn't make mine or the other MP's, the other marine goon or the Lieutenant that followed him have a more significant round. And of course it's not his job to make everyone else have a good round, but it could be argued it's at least not his job to make anyone's round a shitty one. I don't care if the Commander plays a rational guy or a sociopath, and I have no ill wills against Solid because I know he's good at his job, but the moment you start using the privileges of your role, the role that is used to push narrative that benefits more than just yourself, and you use those privileges for selfish reasons, I don't really feel like playing with you anymore.

That's my beef. I'm not salty. I'm passionate about Colonial Marines having a high standard of roleplay, because that's where the server is headed and has been developing towards. It's a place where there is a military structure and shit is supposed to make sense. If I'm wrong, tell me.

For starters, he became a Mentor yesterday.
So lets not act like theres some huge bias inside staff-team friendship going on.

by Feweh » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:11 pm
Added:

Solidfury7 - Mentor


Further-more, I did put myself in your shoes and you yourself failed to even follow proper procedure.
You made a report against someone for not following procedure or as you said behaving badly as a CO.

Yet you never brigged Chaz for his crimes, which in the logs are very clear. However, that is within your rights you can accept an appeal, but damn right would I be pissed ICly if I was the CO for that shit.

That alone right there is undermining the CO and not following his orders, he specifically said I NEED THIS GUY ARRESTED FOR CAUSING ME PROBLEMS and initially did but then decided on your own to take matters into your own hands. He could of blown your brains out way before this and it would of been warranted as it kind of shows favortism towards Chaz who was showing him open hostility infront of other marines.

But he didn't, instead he actually created some RP and attempted to call a vote for your removal (which was quite warranted actually at this point).

Really I find this extremely salty because you never complained the entire round until he executed you after the round. To the point that execution had 0 impact on your round and never removed you from the game since the round was restarting.

This 100% looks like a salty report due to IC actions and you brought it to OOC because you were upset about how things unfolded.

[Cpkeyes]

Does this mean it's okay for the CO to field execute the CMP for not following the law as he likes, even through the CMP is suppose to have say from now on?

Or is the CMP wiki page lying and he doesn't have final say?

[Westhybrid]

For starters, he became a Mentor yesterday.
So lets not act like theres some huge bias inside staff-team friendship going on.

by Feweh » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:11 pm
Added:

Solidfury7 - Mentor


Further-more, I did put myself in your shoes and you yourself failed to even follow proper procedure.
You made a report against someone for not following procedure or as you said behaving badly as a CO.

Yet you never brigged Chaz for his crimes, which in the logs are very clear. However, that is within your rights you can accept an appeal, but damn right would I be pissed ICly if I was the CO for that shit.

That alone right there is undermining the CO and not following his orders, he specifically said I NEED THIS GUY ARRESTED FOR CAUSING ME PROBLEMS and initially did but then decided on your own to take matters into your own hands. He could of blown your brains out way before this and it would of been warranted as it kind of shows favortism towards Chaz who was showing him open hostility infront of other marines.

But he didn't, instead he actually created some RP and attempted to call a vote for your removal (which was quite warranted actually at this point).

Really I find this extremely salty because you never complained the entire round until he executed you after the round. To the point that execution had 0 impact on your round and never removed you from the game since the round was restarting.

This 100% looks like a salty report due to IC actions and you brought it to OOC because you were upset about how things unfolded.

That's not what it is.

And I did brig Chaz. He was in the brig for fifteen before I let him back, that was the Commander's orders. Yeah, he wasn't in a cell, but that was because Chaz is notoriously difficult to get to cooperate, and I was trying to keep myself and others from getting shot. I could have tazed him at any time, and I told him that, but a part of my character is to not immediately resort to tazing people if I don't have to. And I had no evidence he neglected his duties. I did brig him as per the CO's request for insubordination and disrespect of a superior officer. I didn't fuck Chaz's day up because no one likes getting taken out of a round for that nonsense. This was a win-win for both parties. I got Chaz out of Solid's hair and Chaz wasn't going to spend the entire round in the brig. I did everything I was asked to do and was obligated to do, I was killed because Solid didn't like the way I talked to him.

I went down to the planet MYSELF to go and deal with the issue.

And again, this isn't salt, it's concern. I'm only ever up in arms when the standard of roleplay starts to wane and tear. Yeah, if you want to look at it like I'm the fuck-up, sure. He was verrrry lenient when it came to my "causing problems," even though I had the final say in all legal matters. I even took my concerns to High Command and left it at that, got no reply there. And take into account, Solid committed himself to this path of storming my office and potentially shooting me regardless of whether or not the round was going to end. This was going to impact my round anyway, regardless of the round about to restart.

And Feweh, I did this job too. I've seen salty reports, I know what this LOOKS like. And calling the reporting player angry and salty to dismiss their actual points has been something CM and SS13 has done that stands the test of time. Everyone here does it. I saw that shit happen for a year and a half. It's not a new thing. Just look past that, notice I'm not one of your trouble players and see that I'm actually trying to raise a valid concern. I'm hoping working with you and being here this long has bought me at least a little bit of a voice. You can just close the report if the entire thing is just going to be invalidated because you think I'm mad at Solid.

I dislike the irrationality of the situation; if I seem upset, that's where it stems from. I would encourage you and others to work on holding Commanders to a higher standard. That is my final point on this, and I would just hope you, and especially Solid, take it into consideration down the road.

[Feweh]

That's not what it is.

This was a win-win for both parties. I got Chaz out of Solid's hair and Chaz wasn't going to spend the entire round in the brig.

But this is what you're not understanding.

Your Win-Win was not acceptable by Marine Law or the CO.

While OOC thats fine, in-game IC thats not and the CO acted appropriately given the circumstance.

That alone gave the CO justification to Execute you on the spot since you were directly opposing him and causing conflict.


Solid did nothing wrong OOC wise, IC he made some mistakes that could of caused a warranted mutiny and potential demotion via MPs.


But you're reporting someone for failing OOCly when the only crimes they committed were IC and you yourself committed similar IC problems.

[Westhybrid]

Got it. My mistake.

[Feweh]

Got it. My mistake.

Just to make it clear, I don't think youre wrong or solid is wrong.

Your report is completely understandable and I'm not berating you for it at all.

Just OOCly and Rule wise theres nothing wrong other than the Execution after round end, which as I said had an RP follow up that you yourself participated in.

[Westhybrid]

Just to make it clear, I don't think youre wrong or solid is wrong.

Your report is completely understandable and I'm not berating you for it at all.

Just OOCly and Rule wise theres nothing wrong other than the Execution after round end, which as I said had an RP follow up that you yourself participated in.

Yeah, I understand. Thanks for talking it through with me.