Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

[Arkter]

That's a second instance of it devolving into suicide attempts then.

...I said that in reply to your post about the intances. That was the first suicide attempt you mentioned as CMP me commiting suicide

[Sheodir]

This is a videogame. In essence, whilst I love roleplaying and such, decisions should favor the gameplay and immersion most of all - the reason I'm saying this is because many are arguing how realistic it'd be for them to get in the military - the answer is not at all, as you can find in a quick five minute Google Search, but that is the wrong route to argument this from.

The issue discussed thus far is that this is a game played in groups, and Arkter's tic is annoying, disruptive to general experience, breaks immersion - yes, all of these are true, but the stronger argument of the opposition is that a verbal tic isn't really reason enough for a report. Would this also ban accents or other catchphrase-like quirks from the game? Surely that'd be too much.

The "hidden" issue here and the reason so many people are complaining is that in this case, it affects how Arkter *plays*, specially in Command Roles. Instead of actually doing anything, he just makes announcement after announcement, speech after speech, as if propagating his stupid speech quirk to the world was more important than actually playing the game. Every Arkter as XO round is speech, speech, some autistic fit of rage over some minuscule garbage and then he charges off and dies once the ship gets boarded.

Every single damn time.

This is not a roleplaying quirk, this is a player either deliberately griefing with his behavior and refusing to change despite how disruptive it is (cough Aoi cough the Beast) or someone too naive to realize how much this affects his gameplay and that should thus be temporarily removed from Command roles until he notices. I'm sure no one would mind the quirk half as much if he was just a PMC or something like so.

[Arkter]

This is a videogame. In essence, whilst I love roleplaying and such, decisions should favor the gameplay and immersion most of all - the reason I'm saying this is because many are arguing how realistic it'd be for them to get in the military - the answer is not at all, as you can find in a quick five minute Google Search, but that is the wrong route to argument this from.

The issue discussed thus far is that this is a game played in groups, and Arkter's tic is annoying, disruptive to general experience, breaks immersion - yes, all of these are true, but the stronger argument of the opposition is that a verbal tic isn't really reason enough for a report. Would this also ban accents or other catchphrase-like quirks from the game? Surely that'd be too much.

The "hidden" issue here and the reason so many people are complaining is that in this case, it affects how Arkter *plays*, specially in Command Roles. Instead of actually doing anything, he just makes announcement after announcement, speech after speech, as if propagating his stupid speech quirk to the world was more important than actually playing the game. Every Arkter as XO round is speech, speech, some autistic fit of rage over some minuscule garbage and then he charges off and dies once the ship gets boarded.

Every single damn time.

This is not a roleplaying quirk, this is a player either deliberately griefing with his behavior and refusing to change despite how disruptive it is (cough Aoi cough the Beast) or someone too naive to realize how much this affects his gameplay and that should thus be temporarily removed from Command roles until he notices. I'm sure no one would mind the quirk half as much if he was just a PMC or something like so.

Hold on. So you are saying i should be removed from command for saying 'Ta'? Like i said. This is a IC Quirk of his and his aggresiveness to people commenting about his speech impeachment. Charges off the ship and dies? It is perfectly acceptable for a commanding role to get involved in a battle if it is boarded with. I may not be the most robust player around but i try to do a good job.

[Nanu308]

Hold on. So you are saying i should be removed from command for saying 'Ta'? Like i said. This is a IC Quirk of his and his aggresiveness to people commenting about his speech impeachment. Charges off the ship and dies? It is perfectly acceptable for a commanding role to get involved in a battle if it is boarded with. I may not be the most robust player around but i try to do a good job.

Your job as the acting commander is first and foremost to Lead, not run off into battle and die.

[Arkter]

Your job as the acting commander is first and foremost to Lead, not run off into battle and die.

And that is what i try to do..I only charge in desperate situations. I would usually go to the SD every round.

[Voldirs]

Whats the point of that "ta"?
Its not even gimmick if that "ta" means absolutely nothing.

[Arkter]

Whats the point of that "ta"?
Its not even gimmick if that "ta" means absolutely nothing.

Like i said before. It was supposed to add flavour to my IC. And reading back past comments on this post should give you a idea of whats going on

[Sheodir]

Hold on. So you are saying i should be removed from command for saying 'Ta'? Like i said. This is a IC Quirk of his and his aggresiveness to people commenting about his speech impeachment. Charges off the ship and dies? It is perfectly acceptable for a commanding role to get involved in a battle if it is boarded with. I may not be the most robust player around but i try to do a good job.

You should be removed from command because you care more about spewing announcements and speeches to show off said speech quirk rather than act competently.

In short, your speech quirk is currently worth more to you than playing the role you're given, and this is obvious to everyone involved.

[Enceri]

This is a videogame. In essence, whilst I love roleplaying and such, decisions should favor the gameplay and immersion most of all - the reason I'm saying this is because many are arguing how realistic it'd be for them to get in the military - the answer is not at all, as you can find in a quick five minute Google Search, but that is the wrong route to argument this from.

The issue discussed thus far is that this is a game played in groups, and Arkter's tic is annoying, disruptive to general experience, breaks immersion - yes, all of these are true, but the stronger argument of the opposition is that a verbal tic isn't really reason enough for a report. Would this also ban accents or other catchphrase-like quirks from the game? Surely that'd be too much.

The "hidden" issue here and the reason so many people are complaining is that in this case, it affects how Arkter *plays*, specially in Command Roles. Instead of actually doing anything, he just makes announcement after announcement, speech after speech, as if propagating his stupid speech quirk to the world was more important than actually playing the game. Every Arkter as XO round is speech, speech, some autistic fit of rage over some minuscule garbage and then he charges off and dies once the ship gets boarded.

Every single damn time.

This is not a roleplaying quirk, this is a player either deliberately griefing with his behavior and refusing to change despite how disruptive it is (cough Aoi cough the Beast) or someone too naive to realize how much this affects his gameplay and that should thus be temporarily removed from Command roles until he notices. I'm sure no one would mind the quirk half as much if he was just a PMC or something like so.

im glad you said it because i couldn't find the words myself.

[Arkter]

You should be removed from command because you care more about spewing announcements and speeches to show off said speech quirk rather than act competently.

In short, your speech quirk is currently worth more to you than playing the role you're given, and this is obvious to everyone involved.

I have issued many orders and tactics to marines before. I also have tried to develop a personality with the announcment. Giving words of encouragement to the marines.

[Szunti]

Wikipedia sais Tourettes in adults are often only barely noticeable plus they can suppress it. I expect a high ranking officer to be able to suppress it in relatively calm situations like the briefing. It would also add depth to the character if occasional ta-s (not in every half sentence) came only after something meaningful happens. Currently it sounds like memeing.

Talking a lot and being responsive is important and while XO Kensdar is inexperienced I think there is a huge potential if you took command roles a bit more seriously and he will be unique even without the obvious speech impairment.

[Whiteflicker]

I don't know about you guys...

But i never had problems with him going 'ta' at the end of his sentences. I could understand what he was telling me to do, was helpful to me ingame, and i had absolutely, positively, NO PROBLEMS with this 'so called' speech impediment.

Now, i know most of you have a very low tolerance to things such as this for one reason or another. As i have a low tolerance to people snoring when i try to sleep, which irks me ever so slightly...

But seriously, what is the problem with this light, completely harmless 'tick'?

Like, let's face it, its just a word. The abuse the guy receives is exclusively IC and is reasonable since the majority of marines are not very nice people when it comes to 'annoying things'. This would compromise his ability to lead somewhat, but you could always resort to an IC resolution - such as a doctor or the chief medical officer trying to convince Arkter to ignore abuse to his speech quirk.

It does not compromise the person's ability in his position - if anything, the guy's position is compromised by the people who hurl abuse at the character's speech, instead of holding respect for their superior in spite of this. I can understand if a superior was ordering Arkter to 'stop talking', it'd be reasonable, but when he is an XO - NOBODY should have the right to tell him to 'Shut up'. Its disrespectful, and a crime ICly. You would NEVER, EVER, IRL, call a Lieutenant Commander - be it annoying as fuck as he was, to "shut up.". You'd get reprimanded for it, and you'd probably receive an NJP from the person in question.

You're supposed to RESPECT your superior officers no matter who they are. That is the military for you, and if you don't like that? You can fuck right off, because that is how you loose rank and get your ass kicked out.

Arkter is not physically or mentally impaired. He is a human being, that says 'ta'.

The fact that you people want to ban the dude for this is completely absurd and ridiculous.

End of fucking story.

[Sheodir]

I don't know about you guys...

But i never had problems with him going 'ta' at the end of his sentences. I could understand what he was telling me to do, was helpful to me ingame, and i had absolutely, positively, NO PROBLEMS with this 'so called' speech impediment.

Now, i know most of you have a very low tolerance to things such as this for one reason or another. As i have a low tolerance to people snoring when i try to sleep, which irks me ever so slightly...

But seriously, what is the problem with this light, completely harmless 'tick'?

Like, let's face it, its just a word. The abuse the guy receives is exclusively IC and is reasonable since the majority of marines are not very nice people when it comes to 'annoying things'. This would compromise his ability to lead somewhat, but you could always resort to an IC resolution - such as a doctor or the chief medical officer trying to convince Arkter to ignore abuse to his speech quirk.

It does not compromise the person's ability in his position - if anything, the guy's position is compromised by the people who hurl abuse at the character's speech, instead of holding respect for their superior in spite of this. I can understand if a superior was ordering Arkter to 'stop talking', it'd be reasonable, but when he is an XO - NOBODY should have the right to tell him to 'Shut up'. Its disrespectful, and a crime ICly. You would NEVER, EVER, IRL, call a Lieutenant Commander - be it annoying as fuck as he was, to "shut up.". You'd get reprimanded for it, and you'd probably receive an NJP from the person in question.

You're supposed to RESPECT your superior officers no matter who they are. That is the military for you, and if you don't like that? You can fuck right off, because that is how you loose rank and get your ass kicked out.

Arkter is not physically or mentally impaired. He is a human being, that says 'ta'.

End of fucking story.

We've had completely different experiences with Ark as CO, then. Just saying you seem to regard him as a competent player in a Command role, whilst most on the "anti-tic" side seem to think he is pretty bad at command roles and seems more concerned with speeches to show off his quirk than actually playing the game.

Therein lies the disagreement. As I said, I don't think anyone would mind it half as much if it was coming off a PFC.

EDIT: Meant XO*, not CO.

[Whiteflicker]

We've had completely different experiences with Ark as CO, then. Just saying you seem to regard him as a competent player in a Command role, whilst most on the "anti-tic" side seem to think he is pretty bad at command roles and seems more concerned with speeches to show off his quirk than actually playing the game.

Therein lies the disagreement. As I said, I don't think anyone would mind it half as much if it was coming off a PFC.

Why does it fucking matter? Tell me.

Tell me why it matters, seriously, i don't see the malfunction in this.

A player can put 'Ta' in his sentence as much as he wants, he is roleplaying a character - just like Bill Carson roleplays a coward, just like i roleplay a chipper schoolgirl type of character, just like any motherfucker roleplays a character with a accent.

There is fucking nothing wrong with it, you're all just too sensitive for it. If my commander had a speech impediment like that, but i could still understand what he was saying, why the fuck would i care?

I know the orders, i do them. I can understand what the fuck he is saying - and i can mentally block out the 'ta' on my own. I don't get ANGRY over it, like a manchild.

[Sheodir]

Why does it fucking matter? Tell me.

Tell me why it matters, seriously, i don't see the malfunction in this.

A player can put 'Ta' in his sentence as much as he wants, he is roleplaying a character - just like Bill Carson roleplays a coward, just like i roleplay a chipper schoolgirl type of character.

There is fucking nothing wrong with it, you're all just too sensitive for it. If my commander had a speech impediment like that, but i could still understand what he was saying, why the fuck would i care?

I know the orders, i do them. I can understand what the fuck he is saying - and i can mentally block out the 'ta' on my own. I don't get ANGRY over it, like a manchild.

I'm not standing for the whole side of people anti-ta here - I said before I think people attacking the quirk specifically are missing the actual issue, so don't put that shit on me, man. What I'm saying is that Arkter has an obsession with displaying the quirk that causes his character not to act like... a character. He's not roleplaying, he's dedicated to showing off his speech quirk as much as possible.

It does border on low RP because his entire character has become the speech quirk. Even in rounds nobody minded it much, he took someone pointing out the quirk (not even criticizing it, really) to such an absurd degree it surprised me no one reported him over that. Further, whilst you defend it is just IC, people dealing with it ICly have gotten reported by Ark as having "OOC issues" - see his report on Compton a while back.

I just see it as someone who really needs to improve his RPing and realizing spewing a quirk is gonna get him antagonized in the community. I think it's for the better he realizes that. It's gotten disruptive enough for all this kerfuffle to be made, after all.

[Philby0]

Why does it fucking matter? Tell me.

Tell me why it matters, seriously, i don't see the malfunction in this.

A player can put 'Ta' in his sentence as much as he wants, he is roleplaying a character - just like Bill Carson roleplays a coward, just like i roleplay a chipper schoolgirl type of character, just like any motherfucker roleplays a character with a accent.

There is fucking nothing wrong with it, you're all just too sensitive for it. If my commander had a speech impediment like that, but i could still understand what he was saying, why the fuck would i care?

I know the orders, i do them. I can understand what the fuck he is saying - and i can mentally block out the 'ta' on my own. I don't get ANGRY over it, like a manchild.

+2465875

People are getting triggered over a syllable to the point it's getting ridiculous, if he was saying "eh" instead nobody would have even noticed.

And then it's switching to "but he also does that and that" as if it had anything to do with it. You're all asking for a guy to be banned if he doesn't stop using two letters. Go play on HRP servers.

[Whiteflicker]

I'm not standing for the whole side of people anti-ta here - I said before I think people attacking the quirk specifically are missing the actual issue, so don't put that shit on me, man. What I'm saying is that Arkter has an obsession with displaying the quirk that causes his character not to act like... a character. He's not roleplaying, he's dedicated to showing off his speech quirk as much as possible.

It does border on low RP because his entire character has become the speech quirk. Even in rounds nobody minded it much, he took someone pointing out the quirk (not even criticizing it, really) to such an absurd degree it surprised me no one reported him over that. Further, whilst you defend it is just IC, people dealing with it ICly have gotten reported by Ark as having "OOC issues" - see his report on Compton a while back.

I just see it as someone who really needs to improve his RPing and realizing spewing a quirk is gonna get him antagonized in the community. I think it's for the better he realizes that. It's gotten disruptive enough for all this kerfuffle to be made, after all.

I'm not putting anything on you, I'm just really upset by the fact that this is a thing in the first place. I couldn't really get it from my stand point because all my experiences with Arkter have been positive, and i have not had problems with him at all. Infact, all i witnessed was people saying how annoying he was, if anything, and i didn't question his 'poor leadership' OOCly because bad commanders exist anywhere in time and place.

And i can understand that him reporting it as an OOC issue would be questionable at best; i wasn't defending THAT since that was kinda wrong.

Still, I'm not sure how to take the 'his entire character is the speech quirk' - because again, i can understand people getting mad at you being called out on poor speech skills; mainly because i turn into a huge hot-head myself for it when i probably should just stay calm. Its all about understanding the other person's feelings, and talking it out.

He merely needs someone to directly talk with them on the moderation of his quirk - infact, I'd totally talk to them myself and see it out from their perspective. No need to be 'banned' for it.

[Steelpoint]

I'm not asking for him to be banned.

I'm asking if they can stop saying 'ta'.

[Whiteflicker]

I'm not asking for him to be banned.

I'm asking if they can stop saying 'ta'.

But why?

Like, the entire reason for that is 'because he's annoying and people are triggered'.

[Steelpoint]

Why should we have to suffer the annoyance of this one player who abuses their speech impediment to annoy everyone else in the most obnoxious way? More so when said player does this usually in a command position so their communications are much more prominent and necessary.

It is just plain annoying and unnecessary to deal with, this 'tick' provides no real positive experience to the game and has been a constant source of disruption and tension with the playerbase that have to suffer through it.

Just because you, Whiteflicker, have not had any issues with the accused does not mean many others have not.

[Challenger]

The guy only plays XO on lowpop, where he is much more audible to everyone. He's going to talk before briefing, during it, after it, then send copious announcements, and with all squad channels on he's going to be talking directly to marines as well without the usual buffer of LTs and SLs standing between him and most of the playerbase. And because it's lowpop, COs rarely join in, meaning he's only been field executed twice for overdoing his gimmick.

So he has all the attention on him, every microphone is pointed his way and every speaker is set to maximum aimed at all of the marine playerbase, and all he does with it is say "ta". Then get into fights with people when they express IC annoyance. Round after round. Day after day. I "didn't care" either when I played my first round with him as XO, but it just massively wears you down when you have to play with him using the exact same gimmick over and over again like the shittiest version of groundhog day.

There are pretty much 0 people who appreciate his gimmick, at least dozens who don't, and the guy is clearly commenting in this thread and WELL aware of his approval rating and yet all he'll really say is that this is roleplay and not breaking the rules. Since feedback is falling on deaf ears we simply want him to bury the gimmick, or possibly catch time off from XO so he can study other XOs who miraculously manage to say more than one sentence without having marines mass suicide/cryo.

[Whiteflicker]

Why should we have to suffer the annoyance of this one player who abuses their speech impediment to annoy everyone else in the most obnoxious way? More so when said player does this usually in a command position so their communications are much more prominent and necessary.

It is just plain annoying and unnecessary to deal with, this 'tick' provides no real positive experience to the game and has been a constant source of disruption and tension with the playerbase that have to suffer through it.

Just because you, Whiteflicker, have not had any issues with the accused does not mean many others have not.

What will be solved from them no longer saying 'ta'? What's the difference?

Why do this to a person who is trying as hard as anybody else, just because you all can't handle a single syllable?

The player himself is trying to get better. I have literally just talked with them, and he doesn't come off as an asshole who just wants to ruin people's games like you all seem to think.

The 'ta' they put at the end of their words is a really minuscule issue, and the main problem you all have is the fact that their skills in command as sub-par. And when he'll finally get better, you'll ALL ignore the speech quirk, because they guy is GOOD in command and their methods are sound.

I still don't see why you all can't just ignore it, and just say 'he isn't a good commander he needs to spend more time as a LT'. You know, like you guys do with literally everyone that you don't like in command.

[slc97]

Alright, so I'm gonna throw my two cents in here. This is not a final judgment, but rather my opinion as a long-standing staff member.

Multiple times in this thread, you've admitted to extremely low RP behavior including fabrication of criminal records, running a black market out of req, and killing yourself for little to no reason.

You've also admitted to your character committing self-harm and having freakouts at people mentioning his impediment. This type of behavior would not pass a standard marine's psych eval, let alone one for a commanding officer.

I believe you need to knock off this behavior as you use it to justify low-RP action, making the behavior itself low-RP.

[Challenger]

I honestly have zero issues with his competency and just want him to stop saying "ta". WhiteFlicker, it really is this simple - the "ta" stuff, beyond being annoying/spamlike to read, just ends up in shit RP. No one wants to be roleplaying this stuff over and over again where everyone hates the commander because he won't stop talking like he's mentally ill.

Just make a character called Kensder Arktar or something who doesn't have the tic and play as him for the next round and the round after that and all future rounds please.

[Whiteflicker]

Alright, so I'm gonna throw my two cents in here. This is not a final judgment, but rather my opinion as a long-standing staff member.

Multiple times in this thread, you've admitted to extremely low RP behavior including fabrication of criminal records, running a black market out of req, and killing yourself for little to no reason.

You've also admitted to your character committing self-harm and having freakouts at people mentioning his impediment. This type of behavior would not pass a standard marine's psych eval, let alone one for a commanding officer.

I believe you need to knock off this behavior as you use it to justify low-RP action, making the behavior itself low-RP.

See, THAT'S the issue.

Its not the 'ta', but the behavior in it of itself as a commanding officer. Making him stop going 'ta' isn't going to solve the inherent issue with everything else.

I honestly have zero issues with his competency and just want him to stop saying "ta". WhiteFlicker, it really is this simple - the "ta" stuff, beyond being annoying/spamlike to read, just ends up in shit RP. No one wants to be roleplaying this stuff over and over again where everyone hates the commander because he won't stop talking like he's mentally ill.

Just make a character called Kensder Arktar or something who doesn't have the tic and play as him for the next round and the round after that and all future rounds please.

I mean, you are right, don't get me wrong. But I'd like it if the other party, Arkter himself, would agree with it.

I don't want to force this upon him, because it would just drive him away. Its not fair for HIM.