CMP Report - Jack Knight

Chaznoodles · Post by **Chaznoodles** » 30 Mar 2018, 09:18

Your Byond Key: Chaznoodles

Your Character Name: Marcellus Mason

Accused Byond Key(if known): CoronelJones

Character Name: Jack Knight

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 08:45CST, 13:45GMT.

What rule(s) were broken: 7, 13, Marine Law.

Description of the incident:

As Charlie SL, I was holding Hydro with the majority of the marines, engaged in an active firefight as xenos were pushing. Jack Knight turns up and declares he's arresting one of the two engineers at Hydro, for assault in which he pushed a PFC over for interfering with building. He continues stating this, I tell him plainly to fuck off, that this is an active combat zone, and to leave it until after the op. Knight eventually scurries off without arresting, as the xenos are pushing head. Eventually, I pull Charlie back to the Nexus to hold, at which point Turner, my SO, asks me to head to the Almayer to talk to the MPs, where they want to charge me with something that was not stated. I ask her to postpone it until after the operation, as I have a job to do and every squad is short on manpower. We continue to hold the Nexus, pushing off the probing xenos with my assistance. One of my squad warns me that a MP is coming, at which point Jack Knight comes wobbling on from the LZ. He starts trying to declare charges and say I'm under arrest, at which point I see the Queen pushing the marines on the road to the north. I wield my gun and sprint north, warning the other marines as I hear the screech. I near-singlehandedly push the xenos back and get the wounded and dead back to the Nexus, at which point Knight has once again disappeared.

Eventually, we evacuate from the planet, I head to Medbay to get my wounds treated. Jack Knight and the other MP follow me all the way there and declare that I'm under arrest, while I'm in the autodoc. The marines around all call this out as bullshit, I try to explain the situation to the MP as he cuffs and drags me to a cell, which he ignores, fully-stripping me. He puts 40 minutes onto the timer for:

1. Disrespect x5; for telling Knight to fuck off from a combat zone where a firefight was taking place. Knight should not have been here at this time due to the combat situation, and was deliberately obstructing efforts to push the xenos out by arresting one of the only two engineers keeping the defences active.

2. Insubordination x1; for not returning to the Almayer when ordered. As stated, I asked Turner to postpone it until after the operation, as there were a grand total of three active marines in Charlie including myself, with the other squads being about the same. This also applies to when I pushed the xenos away from the men on the Hydro road.

3. Resisting arrest x1; Never explained, but assuming it's to do with me running to push the xenos away from the men on the Hydro road. Self-explanatory, never resisted.

4. Contraband x1; I had a bottle of Peridaxon pills in my pack. I had taken these earlier in Hydro, as a smartgunner was in critical on the floor. Upon scanning, he had max lung damage, with no medics nearby. I stabilised him for long enough that he made it to the Alamo and proper medical attention.

He then has me thrown in a Permabrig cell, where the MP removes my headset. When I adminhelped all of this, I was told to tell Command, which I could not do due to lack of headset. The MPs then left me in said cell when the xenos boarded, against MP Law.

Jack Knight has proved time and time again to do things exactly by the book, without any flexibility. He forgets that there are other players involved in this game and treats it as his personal playground, throwing people into cells without looking at the situations. It's past a joke now, bordering on griefy behaviour in taking people out of the round. As a player when he's MP roles, he does not make the round fun for others he comes in contact with.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): N/A

How you would punish the accused: Removal of MP roles until behaviour is adjusted. Alternatively, observation on his MP behaviour.

coroneljones · Post by **coroneljones** » 30 Mar 2018, 10:07

The engineer was charged with assault, which was later not put through once explained that both marines were assaulted, Insubordination, as marked on the records and Disrespected, as told by an SO, all during this I was informed by the XO that Hydro was still part of the FOB, when told that I could no longer arrest the engineer since he had ordered him to hydro, he informed me of such and I assumed that it was secured, and I had prepared to head down to arrest them, with authorization, when he was still in the Nexus.

At Hydro, I did not disrupt the defences, simply sat in the middle as the marines fired at the edges, while a smartgunner was pushing me around and Staff Sergeant Mason was informing me that I was at "risk of catching a bullet", while I stated the charges for the Engineer, there were infact Three Engineers at Hydro, two from bravo, one from delta.
The Engineer took their time to try to tell the SO to let him go or ask about his charges, so I waited, when I was told that Hydro was being cut off, it was clearly not secure, so I went back to the Almayer before the "FOB at Hydro" was no more.
Soon after returning, Mason and another SO got into an argument over the command channel, which was added to the disrespect charges, including such statements as telling the SO to go down and catch a bullet

Further on in the round, I was told that an engineer was down at the nexus FOB, which was safe from what I was told by the SO, refusing to talk or do anything, so I requested permission to head down to arrest them and got it, by the time I was prepared, the Engineer had logged off, but I saw Staff Sergeant Mason down at the nexus, so I took the opportunity to prepare his arrest, which the SO took the time to warn him of it and told him to return to the Almayer, when I was already heading down.

Upon stating his charges, he proceeded to run off with....I believe one or two marines north of the nexus, I gave chase to see what he was doing, running into the xenos, so I returned to the center of the nexus and waited, he soon returned with a marine on the ground, before running off again to fight, the nexus was soon charged by the queen and a few others, so I took the opportunity to leave, marking down his failure to comply with orders from a Lieutenant and failure to comply with the arrest.

When the FOB was lost, he was sent to medical, I followed along, as did a newly joined MP, and announced on the MP channel that I was going to wait for his wounds to be treated. As soon as he got out of the autodoc, the MP proceeded to state a single charge I belive, and cuffed him before dragging him along, throwing him into a cell with the improper timer and failing to remove his ID as well as check his belongings, which I did to follow protocol and found a pill bottle.

The timer, if all charges were counted as a single go, was 70 or so minutes, but since the timer had already began running, it was 58, if I remember, counting one new disrespect charge upon my arrival, and another ten for contraband for having chemical medical supplies as a non-medic, due to his long charge record, he was thrown into Isolation.

Soon after the Xenos crashed into briefing, where all the marines were, and attacked the brig, only Three MPs, counting myself as well, were present, Alan Jones and the newly joined MP to be exact, and I was locked in the evidence locker, after handling an SO that had gone in there and was arming himself up, and was stuck in there due to the APCs breaking, with two marines outside that were soon stunned by Alan Jones for some reason.

He rushed off to fight the xenos, which included a crusher and a queen or praetorian, and I had to wait for the marines to get up, soon after I tried to open your cell to release you, but since the crowbar was not working and there was no power, you were left in there as the xenos returned once more.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 30 Mar 2018, 11:26

I can attest to what Coronel said. He was standing in the middle of hydro (which was fob at the time) and he was allowed there (by order of command) and he was not interfering in any way besides verbally in defense.
I was looking 50% of the time the whole incedent during that round at him and had no issues.

Maybe I'm missing something but I seen no reason to interfere at that moment.

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 30 Mar 2018, 12:51

PMs between player and staff

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Relevant logs:

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Can't find any serious procedure breaches. At most, the second time he went to the FOB he should've sent Alan Jones down. He never even attempted an arrest near combat. All the charges check out.

We get it, you don't like how CJ plays MP. Tough, he's not breaking any rules and people are not going to be forced to play the way you want. You want to play a tough guy who puts his own opinions on what's best over command's and marine law? Fair enough, it's a valid playstyle, but you risk being brigged and executed.

Furthermore, your attitude towards staff in-round was really bad. Particularly this bit

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You had already ahelped about that three times. Not to mention your argumentative attitude and emote spam. If anything, you should be grateful that the moderator handling the issue didn't ban you for arguing and being disrespectful.

It all looks to be IC here, I don't see CoronelJones breaching marine law or griefing. This is a very salty report.

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 30 Mar 2018, 13:45

You're reporting Jack Knight for being by the book, which the rules pretty much state that you /have/ to be. If in the presence of a crime or do some serious lawyering.

I think a thread regarding marine law changes would be more so constructive than a player report slamming a player for...well, doing his job as the rules and marine law state.

Chaznoodles · Post by **Chaznoodles** » 30 Mar 2018, 14:40

Sir Lordington wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 12:51
You had already ahelped about that three times. Not to mention your argumentative attitude and emote spam. If anything, you should be grateful that the moderator handling the issue didn't ban you for arguing and being disrespectful.

It all looks to be IC here, I don't see CoronelJones breaching marine law or griefing. This is a very salty report.

I ahelped repeatedly because I waited fifteen minutes for responses.

Calling someone salty doesn't instantly make the report false.

solidfury7 wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 13:45
You're reporting Jack Knight for being by the book, which the rules pretty much state that you /have/ to be. If in the presence of a crime or do some serious lawyering.

I think a thread regarding marine law changes would be more so constructive than a player report slamming a player for...well, doing his job as the rules and marine law state.

The issue here is the fact that he's so deliberately by-the-book that it disrupts other people's rounds because "I am the law". He uses that by-the-book excuse to remove people from the round and stack crimes on them without looking at the individual situation, ruining the enjoyment of other players. He's not a fun person to have in a position of power.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 30 Mar 2018, 16:46

I did not ignore the issue. I responded that it was IC.

I never had issues with MPs when I play marine because I don't break law. I feel it is true for 95% of the community, otherwise you would have brigs full every round.

So basically it is "let's abolish MPs because they don't allow me to have fun", instead of playing by the IC rules.

Chaznoodles · Post by **Chaznoodles** » 30 Mar 2018, 17:02

NethIafins wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 16:46
I did not ignore the issue. I responded that it was IC.

I never had issues with MPs when I play marine because I don't break law. I feel it is true for 95% of the community, otherwise you would have brigs full every round.

So basically it is "let's abolish MPs because they don't allow me to have fun", instead of playing by the IC rules.

After fifteen minutes, you did.

You've basically ignored the entire argument presented in favour of a blanket statement.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 30 Mar 2018, 17:08

1) I responded instantly with "autoreply:IC issue" when I saw your ahelp
2) We had internal argument in MSAY about this issue, and it was deemed IC by me and at least 1 more admin
3) I did not ignored your entire argument. I read it intently and this is my answer. If this sound to you as a blanket statement, then I can't do anything with how you feel about it.
4) We are a medium RP server. If we tell our MPs to calm down their policing, what would be the point of playing them in game? We already have harsh policing on incorrect law enforcing borderlining on "one strike and you are jobbanned". Space Law is written to be enforced BY THE LETTER and MPs (even CMP) cannot let someone free unless inmates life is in danger. Even if they are extra nice. After they are brigged (unless new evidence is presented) they are brigged for that time and have to sit it to the end

Post by **apophis775** » 30 Mar 2018, 22:22

It is not against procedure for the MPs to leave you in the perma cell to rot. If they can't get you out, then they can't get you out. They should just TRY.

Snypehunter007 · Post by **Snypehunter007** » 31 Mar 2018, 07:30

Chaznoodles wrote: ↑
30 Mar 2018, 09:18
Jack Knight has proved time and time again to do things exactly by the book, without any flexibility. He forgets that there are other players involved in this game and treats it as his personal playground, throwing people into cells without looking at the situations. It's past a joke now, bordering on griefy behaviour in taking people out of the round. As a player when he's MP roles, he does not make the round fun for others he comes in contact with.

Chaz, I'm going to lay this out rather simply.

Everything in this sentence is a contradiction to the point of having a MP role on the server.

If a MP is "by the book" that means that they are doing their job properly. This isn't like another one of your reports where you reported a CDR for battlefield executing you, where he executed you, but may not necessarily "had to". This is instance is literally a player doing their only job in the game, which is to detain people who are violating the law.

To your closing statement, I'll just say this. They are the ones that are an extension of the staff's will on the server, keeping the game Medium RP ICly. MPs are not supposed to be the fun guys in the round, doubly so if you're violating marine law.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 02 Apr 2018, 18:13

CoronelJones didn't do anything to break Marine Law. Just because he doesn't cut you any slack on the laws doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong, let alone ban-worthy. The shitty player reports need to stop because I'm getting really tired of you trying to report everyone on the server because you got yourself in trouble. Before you post any more, ask yourself if you did something to get yourself into that mess. If the answer is yes, save us the time and just don't write a player report. You've submitted so many bad player reports at this point we're going to have to start applying some punishment in the future because we can't just look into the Chaz report of the week because you fucked up somehow and want to blame others for it. Resolved - No rules were broken by CoronelJones.

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