CMP Violating Procedure, brigging lawful MP.

[Amitt0]

Your Byond Key: Amitt0

Your Character Name: Peter Watts/ Era Barca

Accused Byond Key(if known):

Character Name: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 10 PM EST.

What rule(s) were broken: MP procedure.
An appeal is primarily intended to determine guilt or innocence. A Chief MP or Commander (if there is no Chief MP) is expected to review the evidence of the suspects crimes, the report of the arresting officer, and the testimony of the suspect. If the Chief MP concludes that the suspect is not guilty of a law violation, they are to be released. If they are found to be guilty, then the punishment stands. Under no circumstances may anyone be given a Pardon if there is evidence to show a crime was committed.


Description of the incident:
So I brigged a PFC ''Bullfrog johnson'' for disrespect(said fuck all officers and the USCMS), hooliganism(pulled a fire alarm) and improper uniform(running around naked)
Fine business as usual.
upon his release he said he was going to steal all my stuff and masquerade as an MP and attacked me so i brigged him and gave him max for assault( 30 minutes) to be stern.
( he also stated his intent to not deploy (neglect) and was reported over comms acting aggressive further on in the round)
the CMP came in and let him go early without asking for my report as i hadnt had a chance to update the man's records yet to include the assault charge. i pointed out that that was incorrect and he became extremely irate and angry to the point of threatening arrest. since he didnt understand what i was getting at I told him i was going to fax the Marshall about his failure to follow procedure and he brigged me for disrespect and resisisting. he added a second charge of disrespect when i said the situation was ludicrous and when i suggested that he might be demoted.
In my opinion, none of what i said to him was disrespectful or directly rude. I was stern yet I simply told him I expected him to do his job and that I would write him up like any other MP who couldnt follow procedure, I told him he let the man go illegally and was subsequently punished for having the audacity to point out his mistake and suggest he could be held accountable for it.
MP players and CMP players need to follow procedure to the letter as per the rules and by letting a man go early who was guilty without asking for my report he broke procedure then tried to shut me up by brigging me.
he became increasingly mean spirited over the course of the round, calling me worthless because i was awaiting a return fax after my release, just a lot of toxic bullshit.
the whole thing could have been avoided if he had just said ''oh, you know what, Watts? yer right! i did mess up a lil bit. I wont make that mistake again''
buuut that didnt happen, hence this report.
Look fellas, Im not out to ruin anyones day. I play a lot of MP because i love the game and hate trolls and griefers. its not hard to follow the rules and not fuck up. im not a dickhead for playing the role properly as per the rules and expecting the same conduct from the others who play the same role.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I did have our interactions copy pasted but have since lost them. (DOH)
the MODs tell me that finding the logs arent a big deal so hopefully they can find it.
At the time of writing this report it was the previous round that just passed if thats any help.



How you would punish the accused: a good reminder of the law as rules protocol for MPS or Removal from MP/CMP roles for a time. the guy clearly didnt read through the rules thoroughly and didnt display the restraint or calm needed to play MP.

[BobatNight]

He asked about being let go, there was nothing in the security records. I jokingly opened his cell and tossed the book at him and he was released.

I warned you about pressing the issue too much and told you to keep it to your report, when I told you to get on the ground you took off running.

During the Code red when there was an Alien on board you made comments about the fax from high command getting lost and insisted you sat there and waited for the reply instead.

I was RPing, I'm sorry if you feel its toxic but not every character is a bucket of sunshine and fun all the time.

Just because you feel as if procedures weren't all the way followed or that you were wronged doesn't give you a pass on mouthing off ICly and ignoring the commands of your officer.

[Amitt0]

When you play MP you need to follow procedure as if they were rules, which for MPs, they are.
you have good RP, im not denying that and it wasnt terrible but I wasnt mouthing off, especially not at first. i firmly and bluntly yet not rudely told you that you needed to follow procedure like all the other MPs and could be subject to charges if you couldnt do that.
as stated in my report. the whole situation could have been de escalated if you had simply admitted to the mistake or spoken more calmly.
I hold MPS especially accountable for law breaks or violations in procedure because it's literally the hard set rules for them and they need to be exemplary.
Had I been a real hard ass I could have brigged you for neglect because of that error but I tried to explain it to you IC and give you a chance to shape up and you blew up like a threatened puffer fish.
You quite possibly could have been the one In the brig instead of me.
I would say you didn't have any ground to stand on as far as arresting me went. I dont think I was directly or even overtly disrespectful. Just blunt and to the point. You couldn't call it insub because telling me to be quiet in regards to discussing your illegal actions would constitute an unlawful order which I didn't have to follow.

Ill let the MODs handle this. Fine with whatever outcome.

[apophis775]

Yeah, I'm gonna say we'll pull the logs and check, but BobAtNight, you may be getting an MP/CMP ban.

You have to follow MP procedures and law as if it were RULES.

[Imperator_Titan]

I'll be pulling the logs in a couple of hours or so, definitely feels like a MP jobban is warranted by the sounds of it.

[Tichys]

i was the XO during this round as Jackie Ryder and not only did the person in question not follow procedure several times he was quite the insubordinate WO and nearing the end of the round, i had given a direct order to allow peter watts to wait for a fax inside the brig(as far as i know he didnt follow my orders on several occasions with me being a XO), which as far as i know he did not allow him to do so.... then he began to berate him over the communications saying that he spent the entire operation bitching

[BobatNight]

Whatever is deemed necessary.

[Imperator_Titan]

Logs of the situation:

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[20:48:52]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : What'd this 1 get timed out for?
[20:48:58]EMOTE: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : <B>SSGT Elena 'Tofu' Mei</B> shrugs.
[20:49:08]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : ..throw the book at em' an' cut him loose.
[20:49:11]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Shit I'll do it.
[20:49:29]SAY: Bullfrog Johnson/Gigamonsta : Can you get me outta here?
[20:49:40]SAY: Bullfrog Johnson/Gigamonsta : Thanks
[20:49:47]ATTACK: Bullfrog Johnson (gigamonsta) was hit by a Marine Law, thrown by Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli (bobatnight)
[20:49:57]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Alright, we'se threw the book at em'.
[20:49:59]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : He's free to go.
[20:50:09]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Eat shit faggot.
[20:50:17]SAY: Bullfrog Johnson/Gigamonsta : Me?
[20:50:17]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : The LT.

[20:50:27]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Oi
[20:50:32]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Why did you let him out?
[20:50:48]EMOTE: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : <B>SSGT Peter 'Dog' Watts</B> sighs.
[20:50:50]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Well?
[20:51:24]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Chief
[20:51:29]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Did you let johnson out?
[20:51:34]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Yep.
[20:51:37]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Why?
[20:51:40]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : He had the book thrown at em'.
[20:51:57]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Uhh....so you let a guilty man out early?
[20:52:10]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : The man assaulted me as soon as his previous timer was up. on purpose.
[20:52:10]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : No I did not SSGT Watts, I threw the book at em'.
[20:52:20]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : You threw the book at him?
[20:52:28]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : How is that? you let him go..
[20:52:29]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Mhm..mhm..
[20:52:34]EMOTE: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : <B>WO Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli</B> nods and twirls his mustache.
[20:52:39]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : I threw, the book, at him.
[20:52:52]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Like so.
[20:52:55]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : That..doesnt mean what i think you think it means...
[20:53:01]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : How so SSGT?
[20:53:08]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Dont do that again.
[20:53:12]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : An youse' are here to tell me -
[20:53:17]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : YOU WANT CHARGED WITH DISREPECT WATTS?
[20:53:24]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Sir. you need to do your job as much as mine
[20:53:44]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : If you fail to follow procedure then ill have you written up just like any other MP who cant follow the rules
[20:53:49]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Youse' got about 5 seconds to un-fuck that attitude SSGT.
[20:53:52]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Its simple as that
[20:54:09]SAY: Arella Ben-Aharon/Waswar : If you don't mind me asking, what protocol was broken, so I may make a note, Chief?
[20:54:16]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Ast time I checked I had the final say on Appeals an' sentencin' SSGT.
[20:54:20]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : He let a prisoner out early
[20:54:35]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Last time I checked, I, Not youse', had the final say on Appeals an' sentences.
[20:54:44]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Appeals are to determine guilt or innocence. since he was guilty there was no reason to accept his appeal
[20:54:54]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Next time youse' wanna come at me with that cocky ass fuckin' bull-shit attitude Watts, I'ma deploy youse' as a grunt.
[20:54:57]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : You let him go early, illegally
[20:55:01]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Now get the fuck outta' my fa-
[20:55:05]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Get on the ground.
[20:55:12]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Im writting to the marshall about this
[20:55:12]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Lay down.
[20:55:18]ATTACK: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli (bobatnight) shot Peter 'Dog' Watts (amitt0) with a taser bolt in the Almayer Brig Cells
[20:55:22]ATTACK: BobatNight/(Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli) attempted to handcuff Amitt0/(Peter 'Dog' Watts)
[20:55:20]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Woah
[20:55:23]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : : CO
[20:55:26]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : : CO
[20:55:39]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : The WO is arresting me for wrtting him up for being incompetent!
[20:56:07]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : He let a prisoner who was guilty out early.

[20:56:43]ADMIN: HELP: Amitt0/(Peter 'Dog' Watts): this gonna stay IC or? - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

Afterwards in the Brig..

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[20:56:56]EMOTE: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : <B>Peter 'Dog' Watts</B> sighs.
[20:57:15]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : So what are my charges?
[20:57:19]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : You never told me
[20:57:42]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Another failure in procedure
[20:58:01]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Youse' are bein' charged with Disrespect an' resistin' arrest.
[20:58:09]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Continue to mouth off an' we'se can add on to the time.
[20:59:20]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Next time youse' feel the need to be a barracks critic Watts, youse' might try an' not be a condescendin' smart ass an' follow proper procedures to report your grievances.
[20:59:22]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : This is illegal
[20:59:36]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : You are violating the law and my rights, chief.
[20:59:42]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Im faxing HC as soon as im out
[20:59:50]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Go for it shit for brains.
[21:00:00]SAY: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : WO, what did Watts do wrong about his report?
[21:00:17]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Wasn't the report, was the nature of his attitude an' how he chose to bring it up with me.
[21:00:29]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : I pointed out that he broke procedure, firmly but not disrespectfully
[21:00:42]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Toldd hi id write him up just like any other MP who cant do the job properly
[21:00:54]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Which i will be doing.
[21:01:05]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Looking for a promotion, Mei?
[21:01:14]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Keep up the poor attitude.
[21:01:17]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : I'll keep addin' time.
[21:01:18]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Sir
[21:01:24]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : My attitude isnt the issue
[21:01:29]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Your conduct is.
[21:01:35]SAY: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : WO, what law did Watts break?
[21:01:35]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Oh well, 5 more minutes.
[21:01:39]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : I just tried to explain you mistake
[21:01:42]SAY: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : WO...
[21:01:49]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : This is ludicrous, chief
[21:01:58]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Mei. how was i being disrespectful?
[21:02:04]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Ludicrous is youse' keep mouthin' off to me Watts..
[21:02:06]EMOTE: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : <B>SSGT Elena 'Tofu' Mei</B> shrugs.
[21:02:11]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Im not mouthing off.
[21:02:14]EMOTE: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : <B>Peter 'Dog' Watts</B> sighs.
[21:02:20]SAY: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : WO, sir... Why was Watts arrested exactly?
[21:02:27]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : If ya' wanna file a report, youse' may do so. But by continuin' to show disrespect, that is an issue.
[21:02:42]SAY: Elena 'Tofu' Mei/SwirlyKins : Sir, I don't think Watts was showing disrespect. He was telling me the events.
[21:02:58]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : I said this was ludicrous
[21:03:04]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Youse' asked Mei if she was lookin' for a promotion.
[21:03:05]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Not disrespectful at all
[21:03:11]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : So?
[21:03:22]SAY: Peter 'Dog' Watts/Amitt0 : Once i fax the marshall you'll be removed. most likely
[21:03:31]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : Good for youse'.
[21:03:40]SAY: Sal 'Spaghetti' Spanelli/BobatNight : That right there, is the exact thing I'm talkin' about.

Okay, he has atleast 2 different law breaks from one glance over this, at the very minimum. Definitely powertripping, the MP wasn't even disrespecting him but stating the facts.

[solidfury7]

Yeah, the logs shows that either the WO didn't understand marine law or ignored it.

We all get things wrong from time to time, however arresting someone for pointing out that you made a mistake isn't really the right move.

It's a pretty clearcut case.

[BobatNight]

Okey doke, looks like I was in the wrong then. Seems like something that could have been handled thru 1 of the various channels you used that round though, Ahelp, IC and a Fax to High Command. Apologies that this was such a buzzkill to your round.

[Amitt0]

Ill accept the apology guys. If an Admin or MOD could just message Sal and remind him to follow MPs conduct more rigidly then I dont see the need to job ban.

You're a better man for admitting your mistake, Sal.
Thanks.

[BobatNight]

I honestly only ever play MP for gags like throwing the book at people or pepper spraying myself after trying to act tough to a PFC, I don't think I'm what the Staff has in mind for the server's MP force.

I'm actually a woman, but thanks.

[Karmac]

Considering MP's are one of the few roles we expect people to take seriously on the server, I would say no you are not what we would have in mind with actions like that.

[NethIafins]

I'd say CMP ban would be the best case here, in my opinion. We can leave MP job with a very harsh warning

[BobatNight]

Yeah usually I play Sal as a pretty over the top character, I don't go out of my way to break rules or ruin the round for anyone. I definitely push limits, as apparent of my note history but my intentions are always good i like to think.

[Emeraldblood]

Reviewing the information, BobatNight was wrongful to let the man go assuming there was direct evidence that the prisoner was guilty, which is safe to assume. Directly arresting another MP is something that really shouldn't be happening under normal circumstances. If another MP is giving you problems as CMP, you ahelp about it. BobatNight will receive a CMP job-ban for this, but MP will remain available, as the protocols involved were due to being CMP. Once you prove yourself with MP, you can appeal this ban. Resolved - CMP job-ban for BobatNight.