CMP Awan Player Report

Merne23 · Post by **Merne23** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:07

Your Byond Key: Merne23

Your Character Name: Donovan Nowicki

Accused Byond Key(if known): Awan

Character Name: Awan Oostveen

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 4:55 EST/3:55 Central

What rule(s) were broken: 13. MPs must follow Marine Law as RULES

Description of the incident: As a Doctor I was going about prep, and the CMO wanted Iron/sugar pills created for the medics (for speedy blood recovery). The CMP heard this over the radio and started telling us over the Medical radio that this was illegal to distribute to medics, stating that it was a combination medicine. Since Iron and Sugar are both component chemicals the entirety of Medical and the Medics started telling him 'no you're wrong'. As I didn't have access to the Command net I can't be sure but the CO was called on to make a judgement as well, as the CMO had authorized these pills for use. The CO ordered the CMP to leave Medical alone, which he proceeded to very much NOT do by staying in Medical and repeating both the 'crime' (combination medicines may not be given to anyone below a Doctor) and that "In matters of the law I am superior".
So I come back from stocking the dropships with medical bots and find the CMP is arresting the CMO for... medical distribution. Despite the fact we hadn't given anything out to anyone below a Medic. And I look at his sprite... hang on a second, where is his beret? So I examine the CMP to see if he's wearing it and it's being covered by the Medical HUD but sure enough, no he's not wearing anything on top of that crew cut. So not only is he falsely arresting the CMO after the CO told him to leave he's committing the crime of Improper Uniform.

I can't attest to anything done later in the round but I heard he was arresting someone repeatedly from an MP who was passing through Medical, so it's possible behavior continued. I also attempted to ahelp the situation, but I was told that since the CMP was a staff member as well there was nothing to be done except a player report. So here I am.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Logs (snipped for Announcements and Medical scans):

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Logs (Snipped for taking away everything unrelated):

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My examination of the CMP during the arrest:

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No screenshots unfortunately, I'm slow when it comes to those.

How you would punish the accused: JBan from CMP. At nothing else a heavy warning.

Imperator_Titan · Post by **Imperator_Titan** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:11

I'll pull the logs for this in a day or two. However, iron and sugar are two different chems being used in a medication fashion and can't be handed out to anyone less than a doctor. Therefore, he's in the right, in my opinion.

ComradeCorbyn · Post by **ComradeCorbyn** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:14

I was a CT this round and I can verify what he said. I believe people were getting in trouble aswell for "unsecured equipment" when all it was were just guns on the ground or some other minor thing. But I'm not sure about the gun thing, since I was held up in Cargo most of the time. However, the CMO did get arrested for some unsatisfactory reasons.

Varen · Post by **Varen** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:19

Imperator_Titan wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:11
I'll pull the logs for this tomorrow. However, iron and sugar are two different chems being used in a medication fashion and can't be handed out to anyone less than a doctor. Therefore, he's in the right, in my opinion.

Yes, I was there that round, and honestly?

It's sugar.

If sugar is illegal, then so is whatever binds pills to make them be in pill form.
This is basically being pedantic on what in mechanical-things consists of detectable drugs, rather than anything else.

Is Dex+ illegal? It's literally Dex and <something> after all, so it's a combination drug, right?

Let me put it another way: Sprinkling sugar on a protein bar is illegal, because it's nutriment+sugar.
Coffee cups are illegal, because they contain coffee+water.

You can say: "But sugar on a protein bar is fine.". Then I say, "Why not bicardine?"
You can say: "Bicardine is a drug." But, by the above definition, sugar is a drug too. So why is sugar a medication only in pill form, but bicardine isn't?

Can we not do this? Can we let sugar be sugar, please?

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:22

There's two issues here, so let me address each one separately.

As for improper uniform, the law does not state you have to wear headgear. It only states that, should you wear any, it must be a helmet of approved alternative. However, the minimum is uniform and boots/shoes, armour at most. So as long as he was wearing his CMP uniform and boots as well as his armour, he should be fine.

As it pertains to combination drugs, you may or may not agree that iron-sugar is a combination drug. It may be argued that Iron and Sugar are themselves not drugs and therefore ironsugar is not a combination drug or it may be argued that they are both components and therefore it is. There are conflicting interpretations. However, the Chief MP has the final say over Marine Law. Given that both are reasonable positions, the CMO or CO can say whatever they want, pending a staff rulijng be it OOC or IC via High Command, it is the CMP's interpretation that prevails. Therefore, if the CMO did indeed distribute iron-sugar pills to medics, the arrest is entirely valid.

The rules lawyering about tricord and such is pointless. When you create drugs such as tricord, Kelo or whatever, the component chemicals bond to create a new substance. This is not the case with iron and sugar.

taketheshot56 · Post by **taketheshot56** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:25

Sir Lordington wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:22
There's two issues here, so let me address each one separately.

As for improper uniform, the law does not state you have to wear headgear. It only states that, should you wear any, it must be a helmet of approved alternative. However, the minimum is uniform and boots/shoes. So as long as he was wearing his CMP uniform and boots, he should be fine.

As it pertains to combination drugs, you may or may not agree that iron-sugar is a combination drug. It may be argued that Iron and Sugar are themselves not drugs and therefore ironsugar is not a combination drug or it may be argued that they are both components and therefore it is. There are conflicting interpretations. However, the Chief MP has the final say over Marine Law. Given that both are reasonable positions, the CMO or CO can say whatever they want, pending a staff rulijng be it OOC or IC via High Command, it is the CMP's interpretation that prevails. Therefore, if the CMO did indeed distribute iron-sugar pills to medics, the arrest is entirely valid.

The rules lawyering about tricord and such is pointless. When you create drugs such as tricord, Kelo or whatever, the component chemicals bond to create a new substance. This is not the case with iron and sugar.

I just wish to add on to this, I was actually noted and warned by a staff member that I was breaking OOC rules and marine law for taking off my armor as an MP, I was told in no uncertain terms that doing something like that again would lead to a jobban, perhaps the staff member also told this to the player, thus why its included.

awan · Post by **awan** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:27

1. No one was arrested for unsecured equipment. I told one squad leader that if he dropped stuff outside of his prep room he should make sure it was not there when I came back or I would confiscate it. That is 100% following marine law.

I can quote a manager on this.
"Hand them out individually Don't just dump them on the floor." "The "Squad prep" area is the squads department. But, individual "prep areas" inside belong to specific people.
Medics shouldn't be dispensing and leaving medical supplies in the prep area SLs shouldn't be abandoning flamethrowers "

I will write out the sugar pill stuff a bit more on the next post.

Post by **apophis775** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:37

taketheshot56 wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:25
I just wish to add on to this, I was actually noted and warned by a staff member that I was breaking OOC rules and marine law for taking off my armor as an MP, I was told in no uncertain terms that doing something like that again would lead to a jobban, perhaps the staff member also told this to the player, thus why its included.

If you had been noted for a hat or beret being missing, it would be wrong. However, the Armor IS part of the uniform for MPs.
I suppose if people don't understand that we'll have to write up some sort of uniform standard guide one day. But for now, I believe more than 95% of the server knows that the Armor IS part of the uniform for MPs.

awan · Post by **awan** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:44

Now next, if there is any interpretation of the law that is not 100% clear and the cmp tells you how to interpret it then he is right.
It is one of the only calls the CO does not get to make either.
He has the final say. There are 20 doctors saying sugar is not medicine but I had a doctor who told me on the radio that it was added to treat a patient.
I asked beforehand and only when I told them not to did all doctors suddenly start saying it was only added for flavor.
Salt is also consumable but also used in iv's when used in an iv it is medicine.
Now, both sugar and iron were added to treat patients.
Both are according to the game a different chemical.
This means there are 2 chemicals in one bottle hence illegal.
Only the CMO got arrested for it because they were the one who caused the distributing.
They provided me with a form saying they authorized the distribution of the chemicals.
Perhaps I might have to arrest the doctor who was actualy giving them out.
And get all squad medics for contraband?
No one else in that round was arrested by me.
I did tell one mp that they would be for insubordination because they unset the cmo and cleared their medical record.

Merne23 · Post by **Merne23** » 28 Apr 2018, 19:53

Sir Lordington wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:22
As for improper uniform, the law does not state you have to wear headgear. It only states that, should you wear any, it must be a helmet of approved alternative. However, the minimum is uniform and boots/shoes, armour at most. So as long as he was wearing his CMP uniform and boots as well as his armour, he should be fine.

*Curses self.*

I'm constantly conflating 'any headgear must be appropriate headgear' for 'must be appropriate headgear'. This one is simply my bad.

dasWurmtMich · Post by **dasWurmtMich** » 28 Apr 2018, 20:46

Scince ya'll want to be all precise on the terms to find out who's right and who is not:

"Medication can only be distributed to trained medical personnel. Any distributions other than basic medications (found in labeled vendor pill bottles or autoinjectors) must be authorized on a case-by-case basis in written form signed by either the CMO or the Acting Commander. Combination medications (more than one medication in a pill or bottle) may never be distributed to anyone below a Doctor."

"Medicines contain active ingredients called drugs"

"Sugar is considered an inactive ingredient"

"Drugs and inactive ingredients are chemicals"

"Medications aren't solely made of medicinal ingredients. That's where inactive ingredients come in. They are the additional components that make up the rest of the drug which don't have an effect on the body. "

"A chemical is simply a substance of constant molecular composition like water or salt"

awan wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:44
This means there are 2 chemicals in one bottle hence illegal.

Chemicals are NOT automatically medications

Sources: wiki/Marine_Law
http://www.acnepsp.org/assets/docs/diff ... en-med.pdf
https://www.britannica.com/science/suga ... l-compound
https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+i ... ingredient
https://www.canpharm.com/blog/what-does ... ients-mean

EDIT: To clarify: All medicications are drugs, not all drugs are medications. All drugs are chemicals/contain chemical compounds, not all chemicals are drugs, Sugar is a chemical and an inactive ingredient but not a drug therefor not a medication and therefor not illegal in iron+sugar combo under the marine law

TL;DR Sugar doesn't count as medication itself so iron+sugar is NOT a combination medicine, therefor not illegal.

Sorry for the annoying colors.

I was a medic that round and had to listen to all that on comms.

waswar · Post by **waswar** » 28 Apr 2018, 22:44

dasWurmtMich wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 20:46
TL;DR Sugar doesn't count as medication itself so iron+sugar is NOT a combination medicine, therefor not illegal.

Sorry for the annoying colors.

I was a medic that round and had to listen to all that on comms.

I was the MP Arella, the one who defended the CMO and fax'd High Command this round.

See, this is what I thought. (granted, the sugar is active because it was being used to slowly increase blood the way iron does it more immediately, but that's besides the point.) Basically, I thought all the chemicals like iron, sugar, etc. didn't count as medication. Basically, in my probably false interpretation, the combination of iron and sugar as ingredients, components, or whatever you want to call it, isn't a combination medication, and that the rule refers to things such as actual medications such as Alkysine and Imadazoline, which are commonly combined and stowed by the doctors.

However, the fax from High Command basically said he was right and that sugar and iron are a combination medication, so the CMP was actually correct in issuing his ruling as he did, at least for that round. Since he was found correct and he did warn the CMO several times about it, at an in-character level, this was fine. Of course, I wasn't made aware that the CMO did not distribute it at all to those below doctor. Now, the form that the CMO filled out was only the medic sheet and not the one which approved combination drugs, which does make the arrest lawful at a technical level, since the CMO did not yet authorize the doctors-and-above pills by this time.

Now, apophis775 is the final authority on Marine Law or so I've been told, and I've PM'd him about the case with suggestions for editing the Marine Law page on the wiki to clarify if sugar and iron are medications in and of themselves, so that we're not thinking that iron and sugar are fine or not fine or whether the medication combination refers to actual medications and not things like iron and sugar. In the end, that will clear it up completely, but since what High Command said in the fax, I've gotta switch how I enforce it to include iron and sugar pills and make sure that, whilst I am an MP, I accurately treat the cases accordingly.

Alky · Post by **Alky** » 28 Apr 2018, 23:04

awan wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 19:27
1. No one was arrested for unsecured equipment. I told one squad leader that if he dropped stuff outside of his prep room he should make sure it was not there when I came back or I would confiscate it. That is 100% following marine law.

I can quote a manager on this.
"Hand them out individually Don't just dump them on the floor." "The "Squad prep" area is the squads department. But, individual "prep areas" inside belong to specific people.
Medics shouldn't be dispensing and leaving medical supplies in the prep area SLs shouldn't be abandoning flamethrowers "

As the SL that was in this situation, I find it unfair that you are confiscating gear and implying arrest of unsecured equipment to me. If your so vigilant on issues like these then you as a MP should arresting the marines leaving magazines and knives in the middle of briefing or the REQ line, not the SL's who are placing their gear for marines to grab. I feel as if more detail is needed into the marine law as the manager you quoted needs to have more effort in this law. As it's only the department that is responsible, as such, the Medical gear from medic, or the engineer gear from the engineer marines. However what department are the SL's under? Are they low-rank officers? Are they marines, if that's the case shouldn't you be arresting every marine in the prep for leaving guns and knives in prep?

This case scenario is understandable to why the Manager would say such a thing, but it still goes, the marine SL should be spared from this situation as the MP law doesn't specify this at all. Marines are all in one "department" which doesn't really say what goes to what in the marines. As such the marines can wear the spec's helmet or gloves, the SG can toss their powerpack to another marine, yet the issues with this always revolve around the SL's.

He's in the right concerning the medical side, but he's wrong in the unsecured equipment case.

Omicega · Post by **Omicega** » 29 Apr 2018, 00:14

As the synth in this round, my input is that the CMP's hardline attitude caused an immense amount of disruption to the round. Medical channel constantly took up about a quarter of my screen, and that's leaving the whole "unsecured equipment" side of things out of it. The other thing I'll say in addition to that is what Lordington already brought up - it's entirely up to interpretation whether ironsugar should count as a combination drug or not, but the only person whose interpretation matters from an IC perspective is the CMP. I was even asked what I thought about it as the synthetic a couple of times, and said as much then.

In closing, while I feel as if the CMP was strictly speaking right and that he definitely wasn't going against the rules with any of this, I myself didn't appreciate the hassle it brought on for so many other people - myself included. It's a roleplay gimmick, sure, but a highly intrusive one.

Also, on a slightly more pragmatic note, next time the CMO should just make straight iron pills and avoid the whole issue altogether. It's far more blood restoration for your chem energy, although you pay for it with a loss in speed of treatment.

CSolaris · Post by **CSolaris** » 29 Apr 2018, 04:08

Holistically, I find the CMP hasn't done anything worthy of a punishment, despite single - handedly causing a shitstorm for a bunch of players.

However, as someone who primarily plays as a CMO and doctor, I agree that the CMP was being unnecessarily intrusive with their authority on Marine Law. Most of us who play as a doctor / medic would agree that iron is a much better form of blood replenishment than sugar, and the only reason to add sugar to an iron pill is to slow down the rate at which marines get hungry since it's considered a form of nutriment - not medication. Being a hardass over something more defined, both in game and on the wiki, as an ACTUAL MIXED MEDICATION such as TriBica / BicaDerm / ImiAlky / etc. is a lot more reasonable to the medical staff than being a hardass over something vague like sugar being listed as a chemical, but not clearly stating whether it can be considered a medication or not. That's just my hot take on the situation, I haven't seen Awan in game / personally interacted with them IC enough to fully decide whether this sort of situation is an IC or OOC issue though.

awan · Post by **awan** » 29 Apr 2018, 04:29

Sorry to say but for me it is also a case of play stupid games win stupid prizes.
The second that something is illegal the cmp is bound by ooc rules to act on it.

For all of you who keep insisting it is not an active ingredient. You and I both know you put it in to get an effect. You put it in in a significant quantity as well. That makes it medicine in this case.

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How would separating it into 2 pills change that? Because if you make a pill above a certain amount of units you will get chubby instead of it just solving hunger. So if that value is for example 15 you would first have 28 pills with 45 iron and 15 sugar. In 2 bottle. If you have to split them then you can at most have 14 pills with 60 Iron and 16 pills with 15 sugar.This takes away 14 times 30 units of Iron and 15 units of sugar.

Skysoldier · Post by **Skysoldier** » 29 Apr 2018, 04:46

So you are saying, rule bound MPs, acting on correct rules, should be punished?

I am not sure if most people were thinking the same way or not but to me the rule looks really clear, each chemical is one medicine, no one defined /inactive ingredient/ or anything in the marine laws and separate ones should be seen as such.

no, dex+ or any other synthesised meds aren't multiple chemicals, they are one thing by the game logic.

It would be illegal to just supply a pill made of water and carbon for example.

So for what I see, other players made a big mess out of the way CMP is acting by practically interrupting him, not knowing the marine laws.

CSolaris · Post by **CSolaris** » 29 Apr 2018, 05:11

That's terrible reasoning, IMO.

1) Yes, sugar does give additional effects but they're by no means a viable way to power game. You can't use iron + sugar pills as a way to have a permanent increase in movement speed. Injuries just don't work that way, at least the ones that warrant the use of iron + sugar pills don't - you get those types of injuries and you're slapped with a huge movement speed debuff.

2) Sugar metabolizes at a fast rate, so you'd have to absolutely be chowing down on these pills to maintain that movement speed effect. In that case, you'd OD on iron before anything else (especially in my version of iron pills since I make 1 pill a 30u dose (the max before OD)). If you want to argue that marines will use pure sugar to avoid having to eat completely, then you'd still be wrong. It's more practical to carry around 2 protein bars than wait for 4 pills that have to be handed to you by a medic, if they even carry around sugar pills (hint: no one does).

Based off that response, I find that this is now an OOC issue of not knowing how sugar acts (other than the broad generalization of "it adds extra effects"), but I do understand that these aren't fully explained in the wiki, nor is sugar clearly defined as a medication or not. If it's a matter of it being 2 unique substances mixed into a single form, then I think the wiki should be modified to fit that and to avoid any more of these situations.

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 29 Apr 2018, 07:20

I don't believe the CMP did anything wrong regarding rules, however I do find marine law a little broad regarding some statements, such as medication.

This is more or less a process of adapting marine law as we encounter issues, whatever the may be.

awan · Post by **awan** » 29 Apr 2018, 11:52

CSolaris wrote: ↑
29 Apr 2018, 05:11
That's terrible reasoning, IMO.

1) Yes, sugar does give additional effects but they're by no means a viable way to power game. You can't use iron + sugar pills as a way to have a permanent increase in movement speed. Injuries just don't work that way, at least the ones that warrant the use of iron + sugar pills don't - you get those types of injuries and you're slapped with a huge movement speed debuff.

2) Sugar metabolizes at a fast rate, so you'd have to absolutely be chowing down on these pills to maintain that movement speed effect. In that case, you'd OD on iron before anything else (especially in my version of iron pills since I make 1 pill a 30u dose (the max before OD)). If you want to argue that marines will use pure sugar to avoid having to eat completely, then you'd still be wrong. It's more practical to carry around 2 protein bars than wait for 4 pills that have to be handed to you by a medic, if they even carry around sugar pills (hint: no one does).

Based off that response, I find that this is now an OOC issue of not knowing how sugar acts (other than the broad generalization of "it adds extra effects"), but I do understand that these aren't fully explained in the wiki, nor is sugar clearly defined as a medication or not. If it's a matter of it being 2 unique substances mixed into a single form, then I think the wiki should be modified to fit that and to avoid any more of these situations.

Well, I try to not be blunt but what you are accusing me off is technically what you are doing yourself here. Plus that you are misinforming quite a lot of people.
1. The movement speed is not permanent but you simply do not have to bring food. That is why I see it as powergaming.
2.
If I simplify the metabolize code you would get something like. remove 1 unit do this. For dexalin the do this is heal oxygen damage. For sugar that is add nutriment. The reason you add sugar is to get nutriment. Because the metabolize code makes sugar into nutriment you are basically replacing food with pills. You use them instead of food and to prevent slowdown not to speed up. And anything you give someone to heal them is medication. If you shot someone to heal them I as an mp will still arrest you even though you might have healed them. Not because you are healing them but because it is against the law to shoot someone.

awan · Post by **awan** » 29 Apr 2018, 11:55

My apologies, but I think that we are getting quite of topic in the appeal.
I myself do it aswell but we are going in a circle and we are not discussing the appeal itself at all just semantics about if this should count or not.
The report was made about me violating the ooc rule of not following the law. Even if the managers decide that iron and sugar does not count the rule break was not intentional and based upon my interpretation of the law at the time. So I ask if my interpretation of the law was correct did I do anything wrong?

dasWurmtMich · Post by **dasWurmtMich** » 29 Apr 2018, 13:13

waswar wrote: ↑
28 Apr 2018, 22:44
See, this is what I thought. (granted, the sugar is active because it was being used to slowly increase blood the way iron does it more immediately, but that's besides the point.) Basically, I thought all the chemicals like iron, sugar, etc. didn't count as medication.

Well there is the point of interpretation again. Technically you could say that IRL sugar is classified as inactive ingredient and I highly doubt this would change, even in the future and you could argue it only helps the intake of the iron (which would mark the sugar as inactive ingredient)

But scince a CMP does not have medical knowledge he shouldn't be allowed (IMO) to classify chemicals as what is what. A rule clarification on that would be good.

awan wrote: ↑
29 Apr 2018, 11:55
The report was made about me violating the ooc rule of not following the law. Even if the managers decide that iron and sugar does not count the rule break was not intentional and based upon my interpretation of the law at the time. So I ask if my interpretation of the law was correct did I do anything wrong?

I'd say the only part of where you were wrong is where you (knowingly) ignored the statement of the medical staff that iron+sugar wasn't a medication combo scince pretty much everyone argued sugar wasn't considered a drug (rightfully so IMO)

In the end let's just get a rule clarification and move on from that topic.

awan · Post by **awan** » 29 Apr 2018, 13:26

dasWurmtMich wrote: ↑
29 Apr 2018, 13:13
But scince a CMP does not have medical knowledge he shouldn't be allowed (IMO) to classify chemicals as what is what. A rule clarification on that would be good.

I'd say the only part of where you were wrong is where you (knowingly) ignored the statement of the medical staff that iron+sugar wasn't a medication combo scince pretty much everyone argued sugar wasn't considered a drug (rightfully so IMO)

In the end let's just get a rule clarification and move on from that topic.

I had 2 doctors sign that it was used in treatment. I have the cmo recorded saying it was used to treat patients. If you use it to treat a patient it is so. THEY EVEN USED THE SPECIFIC WORD MEDICATION ON THE FORM I HAD. IT LITERALLY SAID MEDICATION AUTHORIZED FOR TREATMENT. So I did not decide it they did. Only after I told them this did they start to yell it was not medication. I also do not have to listen to doctors or the cmo on what is the law. If they treat a person by beating them up I would still arrest them for assault even if they claim it will help the patient. And even if endless doctors say I am wrong that does not make me wrong any doctor on the ship had motivation to not lable this as medicine. So I as cmp can decide to 100% ignore everything they try and say after I declare my intent. Everyone will always say what they did was not illegal because........

Renomaki · Post by **Renomaki** » 29 Apr 2018, 14:28

I was the CO this round!

During the early round preparations, I admit I wasn't fully focused on the drama between the MPs and Medical staff due to trying to ensure briefing went by smoothly and that everything was ready for deployment. I figured it was a minor issue and not worth noting.

Then when the CMO got arrested, that is when drama started to escalate and my stress levels began to ride. Being CO is stressful enough as is, and having a high ranking medical officer suddenly be arrested for making rather harmless blood-replenishing pills was not helping matters. It didn't help that I made the mistake to send my XO planetside due to over confidence in a plan I had formulated, so I was forced to deal with the situation personally to try and curb the medical staff who were freaking out.

When I got to the brig, I flipped through marine law to find out just what the hell the CMO was in for. At the time, he only had 2 minutes left anyways, so in the end it didn't really matter regardless. Still, I wanted to figure out the CMP's reasoning. When I got to the law about mixing drugs, I assumed that what happened was a misunderstanding of marine law, being that the law in question didn't say anything about mixed chemicals, just mixing non-medical drugs with medical drugs, which I assumed to be more like LSD or other illegal chems, not something as minor as sugar and iron.

As the MPs and CMP bickered and my headset filled with the screaming of 4 different squads as xenos attacked, I eventually decided that I had enough of the bullshit that was taking place and left it to the staff to decide, asking the CMP to send a fax to high command while I resumed leading my marines.

In the end, it was decided that what the CMP did was perfectly legal.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 06 May 2018, 13:29

Sorry for the slower resolution of this post. Let me get out of the way that if you're creating a pill from the chem dispenser designed to promote healing, it's a medication regardless of what's in it. Just because sugar and iron are not medicinal on their own does not mean they're added together in a pill. When it comes to the CMP, he gets the final say on what is and isn't breaking a law, and the CO can't directly stop that. Unless the CO wrote off that they can distribute the drugs, a verbal queue isn't gonna cut it for that. As for sugar and iron being combination medications, given both have base properties and the fact they do not create a new drug when combined, they'd count as combination, to be used by doctors only. The part with the CMP not wearing a hat as part of your case is stupid and feels like you're really just looking for anything to stack on the charges. Regardless, the CMP will not be punished as no laws were broken on their part.
Resolved - No punishments will be given to Awan / "if you're creating a pill from the chem dispenser designed to promote healing, it's a medication regardless of what's in it."

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