MauroVega Report by TotallyNotAWizard

[AverageSpitter]

Your Byond Key: TotallyNotAWizard

Your Character Name: Mature Spitter (191)

Their Byond key: MauroVega

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 12:50 AM

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
3. Determine the seriousness of the issue
4. Investigate the player’s history
5. Determine the punishment.
Remain Professional, no matter what happens. (This one is explained later.)

Description of the incident: I was a spitter at LV, Marines tried to rush into the caves but queen and T3s managed to push the marines off, leaving us with lots of kills and captures. I was guarding a captured smartgunner, Who had already tried to escape and almost killed another spitter once he broke out and started shooting everywhere with the SG.

We nested him again and shoved him into another secure nest. I unbuckled him, And spat acid at him like thrice, before tackling him and getting him back to the nest.

Few seconds later, i get a PM from Mauro, Who prompts me about an ahelp he received about me unnesting the marine and spitting at him and shoving him back in. (which i kinda did, but rather than just restarting his break out progress, was to paincrit him so he couldn't kill any sisters.)

I said i was spitting acid at him, in order to paincrit him, he asks me if i did unbuckle him, i say yes, While we are at it, The smartgunner tries to break out again and pulls out his SG (If i hadn't reacted fast enough i would have died there), I nest him again and resume answering the PMs.

However, This is where it gets suspicious. I say the guy it was pretty fuckin' rude trying to break out like that while i'm answering admin PMs, and he answers ''That's rich Mr. Paincrit.''

Now. Is it me or the admin just revealed our conversation to the guy? Because that answer was very, Very specific. Don't know, but that sounds as breaking of the Code of conduct (Remain Professional no matter what happens), As i assume admin PMs count as staff chat. Even if they don't, i think it's pretty unprofessional to go around revealing conversations with other players like that.

And well, that's about it, after that, Mauro told me i was receiving a ban because of my note history (Which is pretty weird, As the most recent note, is from like 3 or 2 weeks ago, from some dumb joke about Feweh. I have no prior notes on unnesting hosts, so that is a pretty harsh punishment (I think the ban is 3 days, what the hell man?)

This last thing is a bit unrelated, but Mauro doesn't seem to speak english very well. His syntax was a bit bad during our short interaction. You guys should check that. He's still understandable tho.



Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
https://gyazo.com/60f2e313f667a41248054196de36f234
https://gyazo.com/3fd039a04377531bcd4022bc14b23313
https://gyazo.com/dc386c92a6c281a14d1196ecf1b9b4d8
https://gyazo.com/b2ec94e077c127fabadb4a199b31f5ac
https://gyazo.com/0e2487b6d3eb57a1ba83cc0195a07188
https://gyazo.com/1154707c6ace29a6ae2cf88d7d230580

How you would punish the accused: Maybe extend his trial, from my point of view, It was just a harsh punishment and him being unprofessional, With a bit more of time in trial he can get that stuff polished.

[Bancrose]

Player Witness as I am quite certain this is the round I was CO in.

I witnessed the Sentinels and Spitters this round fuck with the nested marines through the dropped helmets, now I only saw snippets where the runners or sents would drag someone out to maul him just so he wouldn't attempt escaping but I never caught any of their numbers that round so I couldn't really ahelp it

Now as far as the rule goes, I'm pretty sure you CANT take people out of the nest to fuck them up a bit so they cannot escape at all. But I could be wrong?

[NethIafins]

So your report is basically you being suspicious if MauroVega told player who was playing Smartgunner about your chat?
Lets do it point by point:
1) Unnesting hosts to hurt them (paincrit them) is same as slashing hosts - you are not allowed to do that by server rules: xeno rules
2) Moderators can collect any information they deem needed to resolve issue fully and entirely. PMing or receiving Ahelp from smartgunner is entirely logical in situation of rulebreak like this
3) Time is not "reset" every time you receive a more lengthy ban. Unless admin deems it minor or something that player probably didn't know entirely player might still receive escalated ban.

I can confirm validity of screenshots and these screenshots convey your part of conversation in its entirety

If you can elaborate what you think about point 2 (and maybe 3) that'd be great.

[JacksonDee]

Hey there, I'm the smartgunner in question that adminhelped here. What you did to me during the round was a clear violation of the rules regarding harming hosts who are nested, a ruling has been around as far as I remember. I know you're a long time xeno player, there's now way you didn't know about that rule. Considering the fact that you admitted to breaking that rule, I don't know what the point of this report is.

And for the record, when I broke out the final time before falling into your spit induced perma-crit, I realized that you were PMing and didn't unload into you out of respect.

[AverageSpitter]

Considering the fact that you admitted to breaking that rule, I don't know what the point of this report is.

It's a 3 day ban, a bit too harsh over something not that bad, it's not like i slashed the crap out of you or something.

[AverageSpitter]

So your report is basically you being suspicious if MauroVega told player who was playing Smartgunner about your chat?
Lets do it point by point:
1) Unnesting hosts to hurt them (paincrit them) is same as slashing hosts - you are not allowed to do that by server rules: xeno rules
2) Moderators can collect any information they deem needed to resolve issue fully and entirely. PMing or receiving Ahelp from smartgunner is entirely logical in situation of rulebreak like this
3) Time is not "reset" every time you receive a more lengthy ban. Unless admin deems it minor or something that player probably didn't know entirely player might still receive escalated ban.

I can confirm validity of screenshots and these screenshots convey your part of conversation in its entirety

If you can elaborate what you think about point 2 (and maybe 3) that'd be great.

Well, that's a weird thing about it.

1) I thought acid spits were okay, guess that one was wrong from my part then, anyway, the admin treated it as me unbuckling him just to reset his timer (he never talked about me hurting the SG, at all, he just talked about the unbuckling part)
2) Yeah, but i don't see how saying him i unnnested him to paincrit him was going to help. How could that have helped to resolve the issue? It's a bit unnecessary.
3) I still think the ban is pretty damn harsh, i have only gotten 1 ban so far before this one, and it was a 3 hour one, so from 3 hour bans we jump to 3 days ones, Over something that is a minor issue? I know not knowing about a rule doesn't excuse you, but i feel like Mauro went a bit overboard with the time of the ban, And i still don't see how my notes support the lenght of the ban. And i'm sure i have no prior notes on me fucking around with nested hosts. This is the first time i have gotten prompted about it.

[NethIafins]

1) he was saying that unnesting to damage is not okay. Unnesting to relocate is fine. Damaging before hugging is fine. Damaging after hugging is okay-ish. But Damaging at any time after nesting is not okay (except if they unnested themselves)
2) we need confirmation from him anyways, even if you admitted
3) you had 1 day ban and a harsh warning in addition to EoRG ban. I can PM them to you or I can post them here publicly (or only for staff)

[AverageSpitter]

1) he was saying that unnesting to damage is not okay. Unnesting to relocate is fine. Damaging before hugging is fine. Damaging after hugging is okay-ish. But Damaging at any time after nesting is not okay (except if they unnested themselves)
2) we need confirmation from him anyways, even if you admitted
3) you had 1 day ban and a harsh warning in addition to EoRG ban. I can PM them to you or I can post them here publicly (or only for staff)

PM them to me please, I'd like to check on them.

Anyway, after my last ban (not this one) i doubt i have more than 3 notes, hope i'm right.

[NethIafins]

PMed.

Also keep in mind that trail mods are being supervised (at least when possible), so you may expect that their decision was made with help from more senior staff

[AverageSpitter]

PMed.

Also keep in mind that trail mods are being supervised (at least when possible), so you may expect that their decision was made with help from more senior staff

Well. Now that i know my notes, i still don't see it. Between the 3 hour EORG ban, and this one, there's only 1 note about the Feweh joke, And nothing else. I didn't have any prior notes on harming any nested hosts so, While i deserved the ban, the length is still overboard IMO.

PD: Thanks

[NethIafins]

EORG is 3h always unless you make your ckey too well known for this.

You last ban was 1 day, skip the eorg ban

[AverageSpitter]

EORG is 3h always unless you make your ckey too well known for this.

You last ban was 1 day, skip the eorg ban

Thats 2 notes then, still no note on unbuckling/harming. I still stand that the ban length and the way Mauro handled the whole thing was not ok

Aside of the 3 day ban, did i get a perma xenoban?

[MauroVega]

Sent you your notes, you had 4 previous notes for Xeno related issues, you were banned for 1 day and had a heavy note about the feweh drama, escalated from 1 to 3 days with a Jban, all following the normal escalation times, you also got a ban from alien since its not your first offense as an alien

[AverageSpitter]

Sent you your notes, you had 4 previous notes for Xeno related issues, you were banned for 1 day and had a heavy note about the feweh drama, escalated from 1 to 3 days with a Jban, all following the normal escalation times, you also got a ban from alien since its not your first offense as an alien

A heavy note that was to be taken into account if i insulted staff members or fellow players. Which i didn't.

[MauroVega]

You are right, we have recently un-banned this low-RP powergamer, but he has no notes about killing marines, so the note is useless

Notes are for everything, they give us an idea of how the player is

[MauroVega]

If i were to take into account that note, it would of been longer if sky said, the 3 days is the follow up to the 1 day ban, and the Jban was applied due to the long xeno history, this ban was applied under recomendation, not a wildcard or anything

[Emeraldblood]

You were given warnings and bans over the past few months that said you needed to step up your act as Xeno. Mauro's ban doesn't overstep any lines, as staff are not required to let you off with the easiest punishment around. You're free to appeal this ban whenever you'd like, though I'd advise in around 30 days. Resolved - No protocols were broken by MauroVega.