Player Report: Man'Sur, NescauComToddy

[Chowder McArthor]

Your Byond Key: Chowder McArthor

Your Character Name: Natalie Holderman

Accused Byond Key(if known): NescauComToddy

Character Name: Man'Sur

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Around 7 PM.

What rule(s) were broken: Predator Honor Code, he fired first while cloaked with a plasma caster on a group of wounded marines who didn't fire on him.

Description of the incident: I will start off by saying that I don't know predator honor code all that well, and am not certain about this, but it didn't seem right.
We were delta squad, and I was the B18 spec, assaulting Eta labs on big red. There was a pred who was uncloaked and pointing at our squad leader, Aestel 'Rose' Wellick, and saying things we couldn't understand. This continued for the entire time we were assaulting Eta labs, this pred just standing there uncloaked pointing at our SL and saying shit we couldn't understand. At one point, a bunch of us were injured, and planned to move back to the FOB for extraction; Rose was in paincrit, and I had several broken bones. The pred kept pointing at Rose and saying things, and I said he wasn't taking her, but no one ever attacked the pred from what I saw. So we started to move back, around six marines in various states of wounded, when from the darkness we were shot by plasma caster bolts by a cloaked pred, who ran up and dragged Rose off at lighting speed. The bolts were non-lethal, but Rose was also in paincrit from xenos, so it's not like the predator actually did any hunting. He then dragged her off and butchered her, and we never saw them again. When I ahelped to ask about it, they said that the predator thought I was going to shoot him. I did say he wouldn't take Rose, but I never fired a shot on him from any of my guns (even if I did, clicking on darkness with a grenade launcher will launch the grenade the other way, so.) And again, Aestel never fired on him, and was wounded by xenos and FF, but never the predator, but he still dragged her off like she was his kill.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

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How you would punish the accused: A warning, I'm not certain what to do for this but it didn't seem right.

[Karmac]

I've personally made this mistake before when I attacked Apop while he was wounded and leading a squad of wounded marines to safety. I'm pretty sure this is still something that's not okay as long as Rose hadn't done anything prior to this instance that would give the predators reason to kill her.

[Imperator_Titan]

Aye, I'll pull the logs for this soon enough.

[NescauComToddy]

Hey there, how's it going? Sorry for not responding to your report before.

I have explained to Kerek exactly what happened, and I will explain here again.

Since the beginning of the round, I was hunting Aestel for having killed a Mature / Elite runner brutally. I watched Aestel most of the time, and when she was injured, I did not hesitate to devise a plan to capture her non-lethally, cure her of her wounds, and finally duel her.

When I was about to capture her, your entire squad was alert of my presence, as a grenadier spec was waiting for a move of mine to completely destroy me. Because of this, I did the wisest thing to do: I stunned the grenadier and any other marine that was interfering with my hunt (that started to shoot me soon after I got Rose / attempted to prevent me from getting a hold on Aestel) and quickly escaped from the place to the lodge.

Obviously, I did it without hurting anyone. My purpose in capturing Aestel was to provide her with an opportunity to have fun, not to ruin any other Marine's round by lethal-ing them.

Now, saying that I killed her right after capturing her is a false argument, as I did take her to the lodge, briefly stabilized her and unfortunately came to discover that she was AFK, which made me sadly have to kill her.

I would also like to warn you that predators can also own a translator and clearly understand what other mobs speak depending on the level of such. What you were saying made it clear that your intentions were to send me sky high if I tried to capture Rose(right IC thing to do). I do not need to know that you and the others, besides interfering with my hunt in trying to take Aestel to the FOB, would also shoot me if you saw me dragging Rose, which would result in a combat that would harm the Marines who were with you much more than a simple stun.

At no point would I hurt Rose, for she was already exceptionally injured. My intention was to heal her before a possible duel, which could not happen because she was AFK at that moment.

Using lethals against the wounded who did not necessarily prove to be unworthy, besides being a dick move, would be against the honor code, which would be completely valid reporting, but I did nothing similar to that.

[Imperator_Titan]

Logs:

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[19:30:11]ATTACK: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick (aestell) shot the Mature Sentinel (150) (pinkiecupcake) with a rifle bullet in the Southern Colony Grounds
[19:32:41]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : Their Alpha's mine.
[19:46:07]SAY: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick/Aestell : My skull i-is b-broke.
[19:46:49]SAY: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick/Aestell : I-I am too wounded to lead, Murta, take over
[19:47:09]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : S-S-STAY A-AWAY FROM ROSE
[19:47:29]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : YOU HEAR M-ME!
[19:47:32]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : STAY AWAY FROM ROSE!
[19:47:35]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : SHE'S OURS!
[19:47:38]SAY: Emilio Greene/DeusMort1s : W-Who's s-speakin'?
[19:47:40]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : I dono.
[19:47:43]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : But they want Rose.
[19:47:49]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : They ain't getting her.
[19:47:56]ATTACK: DeusMort1s/(Emilio Greene) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:48:06]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : GET OUTTA HERE!
[19:48:07]ATTACK: DeusMort1s/(Emilio Greene) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:48:16]ATTACK: Chowder McArthor/(Natalie Holderman) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:48:19]ATTACK: DeusMort1s/(Emilio Greene) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:48:22]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : I got her
[19:48:30]SAY: Natalie Holderman/Chowder McArthor : That thing wants her.
[19:48:39]EMOTE: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick/Aestell : <B>SSGT Aestel 'Rose' Wellick</B> can no longer stand, collapsing!
[19:48:59]ATTACK: Unknown (nescaucomtoddy) shot Larry Thornhill (seve82) with a plasma bolt in the Central Colony Grounds
[19:49:07]ATTACK: Unknown (nescaucomtoddy) shot Natalie Holderman (chowdermcarthor) with a plasma bolt in the Southern Colony Grounds
[19:49:08]ATTACK: Unknown (nescaucomtoddy) shot Natalie Holderman (chowdermcarthor) with a plasma bolt in the Southern Colony Grounds
[19:49:08]ATTACK: Unknown (nescaucomtoddy) shot Bert 'Target' Beach (dorkkeli) with a plasma bolt in the Southern Colony Grounds
[19:49:10]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:49:10]ATTACK: DeusMort1s/(Emilio Greene) attacked NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) with M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded) (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:49:54]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : Come, ooman.
[19:50:06]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : You're different.
[19:50:10]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:50:35]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:50:47]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : ...
[19:51:36]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:51:51]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : Too dangerous.
[19:52:29]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) grabbed Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick)
[19:57:03]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:05]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:06]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:07]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:08]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:09]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:10]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[19:57:10]ATTACK: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur) attacked Aestell/(Aestel 'Rose' Wellick) with wrist scimitar (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

Relevant PMs:

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[20:02:45]ADMIN: HELP: Chowder McArthor/(Natalie Holderman): So, a pred ran up and plasma-castered us to steal our injured squad lead - even though we never engaged it. He then took her off and butchered her. Is that all ok? - heard by 12 non-AFK admins.
[20:03:48]ADMIN: PM: Chowder McArthor/(Natalie Holderman)->Kerek/(unknown): No clue, just kept pointing, didn&#39;t attack us until he plasma-castered us to steal her, while she was injured in paincrit.
[20:03:24]ADMIN: PM: Kerek/(unknown)->Chowder McArthor/(Natalie Holderman): Make a player report, we can't handle them. But was he hunting the squad lead?
[20:04:15]ADMIN: PM: Kerek/(unknown)->NescauComToddy/(Man'sur): that squad you stunned, they shot you first right? Just checking for an ahelp
[20:06:17]ADMIN: PM: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur)->Kerek/(unknown): Delta squad was taking its SL back to the FOB. As they were aware of my presence, and a grenadier was about to shoot me, I stunned them so I could take the SL to the lodge, where I would heal him and duel him.
[20:06:55]ADMIN: PM: Kerek/(unknown)->NescauComToddy/(Man'sur): they intervened in your hunt, and the SL was already injured by you right?
[20:07:05]ADMIN: PM: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur)->Kerek/(unknown): Not lethat, through. My intention wasn&#39;t to damage any of those interfering with my hunt.
[20:07:50]ADMIN: PM: NescauComToddy/(Man'sur)->Kerek/(unknown): SL had been on my list since the beginning of the round when he had killed a mature runner, had not attacked him before, but I warned him well that he was being hunted.
[20:07:58]ADMIN: PM: Kerek/(unknown)->NescauComToddy/(Man'sur): I was just checking for the player. Thats perfectly fine. Just want to give him information incase he feels you violated the code.

Let me also just mention that Aestell didn't actually kill a runner, only a sentinel. If Nescau was hunting them due to the sentinel kill, I don't see an issue in that regard however as they mentioned, they were hunting them due to a runner kill which never actually happened that entire round. They didn't even shoot a runner. The only person that did, would be Natalie Holderman, killing a mature runner. Nescau hunted the wrong person if that's the case. Pointing and the translator also don't make logs.

[NescauComToddy]

Let me also just mention that Aestell didn't actually kill a runner, only a sentinel. If Nescau was hunting them due to the sentinel kill, I don't see an issue in that regard however as they mentioned, they were hunting them due to a runner kill which never actually happened that entire round. They didn't even shoot a runner. The only person that did, would be Natalie Holderman, killing a mature runner. Nescau hunted the wrong person if that's the case. Pointing and the translator also don't make logs.

Even though this does not affect much, my intention was never to hunt a Marine who had killed a mature sentinel by himself, even if that is a small feat that provides me enough reason to hunt him. I assumed that Aestell had killed such a mature runner because when I found her she was regrouping with her squad where there was its corpse, and she had replied that she was the one who killed it when I asked her through the translator. If possible, I'd like you to confirm whether or not it was Aestell who answered my question.

I would hardly have confused the names since I remember that she, Aestell, was the only one who was able to understand what I was referring to by the translator the entire round, which made her quite memorable in my mind.

Unless I was not paying attention to the body of the 'dead runner' and confused it with that of a sentinel, which is also highly improbable.

Other than this, I believe I have explained clearly what happened, and how no rule of the honor code was broken in using the plasma-caster as a form of stunning to expose a vulnerability, enabling me to capture my prey and escape without bloodshed. I doubt that it was Natalie who had answered me, but if it really was her, even if hunting Aestell was valid, such would not be my real intention.

Now that I am home, I am available if more details are needed, both for the staff and for the players involved. I'll gladly answer any questions.

Edit: Again, I want to make it clear that the statement in which I isolate Rose and butcher her is completely false, as I had taken her to the lodge, as stated before, stabilized her and asked a few questions to see if she was indeed AFK.

When I noticed that she did not respond, I waited for a few minutes in the same place until I noticed that another pred who was with me (Kerek, Darken'ka) was 'also' not responding me over the vox caster. I practiced some RP through the translator and had to finish off the SL to go looking for Kerek to check if any of his equipment had been lost, for it was easily noticeable that he had fallen in battle.

[Imperator_Titan]

Even though this does not affect much, my intention was never to hunt a Marine who had simply killed a mature sentinel by himself, even if that is a small feat that provides me enough reason to hunt him. I assumed that Aestell had killed such a mature runner because when I found her she was regrouping with her squad where there was its corpse, and she had replied that she was the one who killed it when I asked her through the translator. If possible, I'd like you to confirm whether or not it was Aestell who answered my question.

I would hardly have confused the names since I remember that she, Aestell, was the only one who was able to understand what I was referring to by the translator the entire round, which made her quite memorable in my mind.

Unless I was not paying attention to the body of the 'dead runner' and confused it with that of a sentinel, which is also highly improbable.

Other than this, I believe I have explained clearly what happened, and how no rule of the honor code was broken in using the plasma-caster as a form of stunning to expose a vulnerability, enabling me to capture my prey and escape without bloodshed. I doubt that it was Natalie who had answered me, but if it really was her, even if hunting Aestell was valid, such would not be my real intention.

Now that I am home, I am available if more details are needed, both for the staff and for the players involved. I'll gladly answer any questions.

[19:30:17]SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : By Cetanu's jaws, they're indeed stupid.
[19:30:40]SAY: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick/Aestell : I did.
[19:30:57]EMOTE: Aestel 'Rose' Wellick/Aestell : <B>SSGT Aestel 'Rose' Wellick</B> stares.

If you were using the translator, those don't make any logs so I can't actually cross-reference that with this. But aye, it was indeed a mature sentinel and not a runner.

[NescauComToddy]

[SAY: Unknown/NescauComToddy : By Cetanu's jaws, they're indeed stupid.

I was frustrated that the Marines were not being able to understand the translator, so I said the phrase mentioned above.

But that's exactly what happened. I believe I confused the body because of my lack of attention at that moment, which is embarrassing. It was at that moment that she answered my question, and from there on I hunted her until the 'confrontation' that caused this report.

[Emeraldblood]

The poster messaged me over discord informing that he wished to close the appeal after talking to Nescau about it personally. No actions will be taken on this report because of that. Resolved - Report withdrawn by the original poster.