Staff Report-Solarmare

[SwordofBored]

Your Byond Key:
SwordofBored
Your Character Name:
Eugene Lucer
Their Byond key:Solarmare

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):
6/21/18 9:35pm CST to 9:55pm CST
Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
Do not abuse your power
- This should go without saying, but abusing your power as staff can - and will - result in swift punishment.
Enforcement of the rules
- Whenever a player receives a punishment they should know why and what they are being punished for.
- Ensure that all incidents are adequately investigated before giving a ruling.
- We are not a government repressing their citizens. Don’t hassle players for literally everything.


Description of the incident: MP Jezu stopped my IC engi from scrapping REQ cades after the RO went SSD and XO refused to send supplies and scavenging attempt made me leave a marine for dead. I used the aim feature and told him blantly as a soldier: My mission > Your life, back off. He did what an MP should: called back up and detained the suspect(albiet they could've used the aim feature or heard my claim of command negligence but they were bald oh well) Once I was in my cell, detained and the MP and I sat there with nothing to do I called out the baldness(guess what I'm not polite with words but Jezu agreed he was bald) Jezu apologized and said no hard feelings LOOCly and I AGREED and said I should've shot rules or not; because fighting to get supplies might've saved the FOB that feel as he drug me to brig. I then AHelped as I wanted to ICly rebel and take our the command staff that I ICly believe killed the OP and my marine brothers.

Bear in mind. I never once fired a shot, I was setting up too ICly but I didnt shoot; saying I should've shot rules or not implied that ICly I would've stood far more of a chance doing that then following the rules and attempting non lethal against tasers. I recieved a day ban for "not reading the server rules and being banned about this previously" when I followed the RP rules and didnt fire, just LOOC ranted that it would've worked out better for me probably.

This is the second time I've had issue with solarmare's attitude toward the playerbase. He does not follow through on investigation or talk to both side before coming to a judgement; He not once asked me to explain my thought process and immediately told me of the punishment when he messaged me. Too which I continued to deny that I had broken the rules off a mere comment and Jezu even agreed that I was non lethal. I got told "well file a staff report" so here I am.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
I operate an All in One PC that doesnt have capture features for screenshots and would need the logs pulled. He is going to claim disrespect when I called out hypocrisy that saying I should've done something, DOESN'T mean I did.
How you would punish the accused: Considering the continued issue, I recommend they are stripped of Admin Rank.

[SwordofBored]

1. Send a personal message (PM) to the violator asking them to explain their actions
a. Give them a respectable time to respond. They might not be able to respond that second. If there is a group running and fighting put the individuals to sleep that seem to be causing an issue, inform them through LOOC or OOC that they’ve been put to sleep by a staff member, then deal with them accordingly. Make sure that other people don’t steal from them or anything of the sort.
b. It is recommended that you get a second staff member to help with larger groups of possible rule breakers so you can resolve the situation faster.

2. Investigate the situation
a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story. Also, check logs. It may not be immediately visible WHO caused the situation, and you may need to talk to several people to figure it out. Try to do this as quickly and efficiently.

3. Determine the seriousness of the issue
a. This is very important because the seriousness should match the punishment. For example: using light netspeak (emoji’s and such) is not a bannable offense for first time offenders; however, killing a marine for an insufficient reasons is.

Also because I messed up the tabs those are the protocols, I still think he's out of line on the code of conduct as well.

[Solarmare]

You seem to have glossed over what I actually punished you for, which is the ic in looc after you were arrested. That comment was of specific concern with the rest of it.

[SwordofBored]

Because I cussed and said the MP was being a bald dumbfuck? I didnt gloss over it. He admitted he was bald and I forgave him almost instantly since he was decent about it. Recall if you actually read the post: I'm the one who AHELP'd about wanting to ICly rebel. You then decided to day ban me for an already finished conversation. Jezu was still involved in the IC incident but we would've both been required to carry it out anyways. I wanted to convey that while my IC was pissed at the MPs, SL, SOs, XO, and CO. I player speaking did not hold anger. You pushed a day ban because I said why my guy was rebelling in LOOC to Jezu but it didnt effect the situation already being in motion and the point of my admin ping was to inform why my IC would be rebelling, not punish the MPs.

[SwordofBored]

Not once did I request you ban Jezu, only talk to him and maybe recommend using the aim feature instead of instant tasing. It very much appears as misuse of authority; 24 hours without play for words. Really?

[freemysoul]

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(R)LOOC: Lucifer Morningstar/(Swordofbored): Someone please radio in they're putting facehuggers under eggs Warned for IC in OOC. by () on Wed, June 6th of 2018 

Banned by |Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: IC in LOOC: (R)LOOC: Eugene Lucer/(swordofbored): fucking heal me so I can go Said this right after being warned for above note. by () on Thu, June 14th of 2018 

Banned by |Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: IC in LOOC after an arrest where they aimed a weapon at an MP. Told to ahelp if MP's are breaking rules, as well as to keep IC issues out of OOC. by () on Thu, June 21st of 2018 

Firstly before I even get into the report itself, You have 3 notes for IC in OOC alone in the space of 14 days. In the space of 1 month, you have had 11 notes on yourself. The time to start playing by the rules was when you first joined the server, Ignorance is not an excuse.

Anyway onto the report. What they did is In My Opinion 100 percent legitimate, They did Investigate the situation as there was really no need for an investigation into IC in OOC, Secondly the ban is 100 percent legitimate too, You have 3 notes for behaviour like this and zero signs of actually improving, If it was up to me I would have placed a 3 day ban.

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[21:16:25]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : ....
[21:16:27]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : dumbfuck
[21:16:32]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : you flash first
[21:16:39]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : yeash youre fucking bald
[21:16:52]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : Indeed I am a baldi
[21:16:59]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : HUEEEEEEEEEE
[21:17:05]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : no hurd feeling mane.
Literally admitting to going to break a rule[21:17:16]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : Oh theres not but I should've shot you ban or not
IC in LOOC[21:17:28]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : Theres no other way to deal with RO, SO, AND SL BEING FUCKING DUMB
IC in LOOC[21:17:35]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : and ignoring over 7 supplies requests
IC in LOOC[21:17:39]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : from both engis
IC in LOOC[21:17:47]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : so my guy is ICly pissed and gonna fucking kill
[21:18:52]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : also baldie
[21:18:55]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : set the fucking cell timer
[21:18:59]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : IK IK
[21:19:02]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : one sec.
[21:19:18]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : God I cannot wait to shoot this baldie command staff
[21:19:47]OOC: (LOCAL) Jezu 'Pepe' Pinhawk/ : lol gimmie ur ID i can't take it off of you.
[21:20:00]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : Fuck no, get punched when you open the cell
[21:20:42]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : also you're suppose to give a radio
[21:20:49]OOC: (LOCAL) Eugene Lucer/Swordofbored : but thats just another reasn to kill ya
[21:24:11]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): I'm actually looking over logs and considering banning over the ic in looc again
[21:24:23]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Me or him?
[21:24:48]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): because I only told him my IC reasons because he's bald. I've been spamming say how the fucked the OP over
[21:25:00]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): they* 
[21:34:14]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): If you wanted to explain your IC reasoning to the MP's, you could have done that IC. Not much reason to take it to looc and you've already been warned about that.
[21:34:53]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): I explained it ICly, and only OOC'd in the cell to tell him I wasnt legit mad -_- why are you being an ass about an IC event?
[21:35:29]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Honestly that was the most fun I've had playing this game and I didnt my RP proper. Asked, the CE said no, I said fuck him ICly
[21:35:51]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): and I did my rp proper* 
[21:42:23]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): Your lack of care for the server rules among other things is the issue, when you said that you should have shot them rules or not. I'll be giving you a day ban to read over them as well as to remind you to keep something that's IC in IC rather than dragging it to LOOC to complain.
Whatever issues there are in an MP's procedure you can point out as that shouldn't be happening but you can talk about whatever issues that led to your arrest with them IC.
[21:44:34]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Do you have a fucking grudge against me or something? this is the second time you've come in to ruin my gameplay
[21:44:50]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): and not read the logs throughly or talked to both sides.
[21:47:31]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): You don't seem to understand that the server rules come before your gameplay, and IC in OOC is something you've already recieved a ban for so it'll be escalating off of that and is the main reason I'm handling it now. You can ahelp if an MP is handling something improperly but you shouldn't be shooting or aiming a gun at them generally.
[21:48:21]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Dude you dont enforce those rules at all when Marines straight jack MPs for making arrests but IM the ONE WHO PINGED YOU AND YA BAN ME
[21:48:33]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): As far as other things go though, you recieved a fair amount of warnings already so you do need to go over server rules.
[21:48:46]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): Ahelp if you see them doing that then.
[21:48:49]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact THAT I was busy typing to the MPs
[21:49:43]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): I pinged you as soon as it was done so you could review it and you ban me for an LOOC comment. That is absolute bullshit badmining.
[21:50:45]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): I followed the RP rules and said I shouldn't have but I STILL followed the rules, my character had a right to be ICly pissed about nearly dying the first time he left to scavenge and never getting supplies on the alamo or beacon
[21:50:51]ADMIN: PM: Solarmare/()->Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer): You can make a staff report if you don't think it was handled properly, but the main issue here is you taking IC to LOOC. The general wanting to shoot command is also a problem though. Make a staff report if you don't think it was handled properly but you've recieved two warnings for IC in LOOC.
[21:51:20]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): "We investigate ourselfs and found nothing wrong" Fucking hypocrite grudge much. Whatever ill go play anohter game
[21:51:39]ADMIN: PM: Swordofbored/(Eugene Lucer)->Solarmare/(): Get the fucking ban over with then so I can log out, badmin.

This is a direct rip from the logs, Only logs removed are those not required as well as names.

[awan]

So to make it on a charge by charge basis.
Do not abuse your power.
If it is determined that you are right he used his powers to moderate the server. Thus it would not be seen as abuse of power.

Enforcement of the rules
Technicly he can rule 0 and make anything a rule. Even without that that is for managers to decide.
- Whenever a player receives a punishment they should know why and what they are being punished for.
The ban states what you are punished for. I checked the description and it does.
- Ensure that all incidents are adequately investigated before giving a ruling.
Investigation was done so the only question is if it was adequate I say yes but that is my opinion.
- We are not a government repressing their citizens. Don’t hassle players for literally everything.
You were warned for this already in the past it is not hasseling.

[Imperator_Titan]

You’re very lucky that you narrowly missed a 3 day ban which would’ve also been justified due to your behavior in PMs. I don’t see why you’re complaining for receiving a ban for IC in OOC when this is your third offense for it. You’re discussing in round information in LOOC and were rightfully banned for it. That discussion should’ve gone IC, not in LOOC

[Lumdor]

This report is complete nonsense. Solar followed the proper procedures, and to be honest if you did not act like how you did in the PMs you might've gotten off with only a three-hour ban.

I'd suggest you change your attitude, as you've already had warnings for the same offense two other times, and the way you acted towards Solar was extremely childish.

[SwordofBored]

Suprise. Using the previous history is the only excuse you all can come up with for the ban and you threaten it should've been longer. Act like how I did in the pms? You mean trying to speak up about how that wasnt even WHY he as pinged? Also how cute, I say I can't provide full logs and you DONT PROVIDE full logs only tidbits to make it look like disrespect.

Can I get an upper staff member on this please? Part of the reason my "note history" is so long is because I was a baldie and learned. Also you can tell from the LOOC if you actually get the full log; I watched my tone with the admin. I was way more rude to Jezu in the LOOC and we still left that more friendly then A GAME MODERATOR that I pinged MYSELF.

What did the LOOC effect wipe wise? Nothing, xenos still boarded the ship and slaughtered us just like I said ICly was gonna happen. (before you claim OOC knowledge in IC, I watched a warrior and runner slaughter my guard ICly, I knew we didnt stand a chance without cades ICly) A three hour ban should be the limit for that regardless of note history. If we're not allowed to give ANY advice to newbies it's no wonder you dont have the staff to handle everything in a timely manner.

This is literally how I said the forum post would go. You're calling me childish because I said he was a "badmin" really? Im pretty sure my note history proves my vocab can be far more disrespectful, Lumdor (especially when I've dealt with you as well , fyi <-- that is childish-Bringing up past issues that have no value) Calling it childish that I disagree and think he's abusing his power over a small issue that did not effect the wipe at all is why I lack respect for any of the low ranking staff; Should I have been punished for IC in LOOC, sure it's in the rules but you're trying to use the RP rules to justify that I should be banned for this timeframe BECAUSE of how a soldier acted when command failed him.

This was genuinely an already resolved matter; If you dont wanna people to use LOOC to rant OOCly, dont let them use it in the wipe then?

My statement stands- Jezu tried to lock me up with my guns and noticed his own mistake, I laughed at him being bald and said what he was doing wrong so he could fix other things he wasnt quite gettin right. My IC character was screaming and pissed: I can get why Jezu thought I'd be mad OOCly so i explained that it was just how im acting LOOC. From now on you will be ahelped everytime and expected to handle it yourself and spam pinged as I'm not allowed to use my chat verbs apparently. I sincerely believe you are the ones acting childish about this. A simple comment about how poorly the rules are set up for breaking command when shit hits the fan is not intent to disregard the RP rules entirely; It is merely that-A comment. It does not change that I still wanted to RP my rebel actions myself or that I pinged so admins could be aware of WHY my IC intent had become that.

Long story short: You banned someone for a snide comment about the rules being half assed and literally one side screwing any attempt at a marine assuming control. Fair. 24 hours, a disrespect claim for contesting it and pointing out hypocrisy, and to be threatened that "I'd have banned you longer". You wonder why I don't improve in my actions when everytime I ping to a mod for help they end up turning it right around on me.

Also Imperator_Titan since you actually seem level headed about this: It was discussed ICly both when the arrest was made and during the trip the brig- I said the command staff were traitors ICly for leaving their men for dead.

Lesson learned; I wont even bother with LOOC or trying to help newbies anymore. Even more so than that, I will be requesting a new admin anytime my ping is answered by either Lumdor or Solarmare.

[freemysoul]

I'm sorry that you disagree with my own judgement then, As I have said this is the full logs, There is no cropping excluding those not required for your case and Ckeys, If you look at the logs I show where you go wrong. And yes Previous note history is a factor into your ban as with all cases. I am not defending any person as my job requires to be fully impartial when it comes to staff reports and player reports.

[Lumdor]

-snip-

Apologies if you think my comment was un-becoming. Though I'll gladly hand over any ahelp you make if you believe I would not put my best judgment forward.

[slc97]

Enough, I'm locking this. Expect my final decision within the hour.

[slc97]

Alright, I've reviewed this and gotten all of the information logged, I've read the accounts of events presented here, and reviewed the notes across all 3 of your ckeys.

Within one month, you've accumulated 20 unique notes over 3 ckeys that includes a week ban for major toxicity and insulting staff. You've gotten multiple warnings and bans to the point where you have lost all credibility in claiming that "I'm bald". At that point, you just straight up are disregarding our rules. Furthermore, saying "Yeah, I was insulting to staff, but I could have been much more insulting" is not a viable defense of anything.

Because the ban was 24 hours, I'm only going to increase it to 3 days instead of 7 like I feel like I should. I want you to take this time to familiarize yourself with our rules and procedures. At this point in time, you have been given chance after chance to integrate into the community here. This is the time to realize that, as your poor behavior continues, your spot in this community becomes smaller.

The last thing I want to tell you is this: Saying "I don't want to improve my behavior cause I keep getting banned" is just off. You won't get banned if you start following our rules. Finally, I don't pay these guys. They don't have to put up with a verbal tongue-lashing from you. If you look back in the logs, Solar was being perfectly nice and respectful even while you were calling him names. Treat others how you wanna be treated, chief.

Resolved.