Staff Report: Multiple

[Symbiosis]

Your Byond Key: Symbiosis

Your Character Name: Cliff "Chubs" Campbell

Their Byond key: Freemysoul + Cry of Wolves

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 6:15am Est time

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: 2. Investigate the situation
2. Investigate the situation
a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story. Also, check logs. It may not be immediately visible WHO caused the situation, and you may need to talk to several people to figure it out. Try to do this as quickly and efficiently.

5. Determine the punishment.
a. Determine the bare minimum punishment. There's no reason to jump straight to a ban, especially if the incident didn't cause a major disruption to the game. Try to use warnings, and if you do need to ban don't be excessive. Most bans should not be above 12 hours.

Description of the incident: We were dropping down post briefing and Garth Palowski was being arrested by the MP for trying to talk the MP down from arresting a Medic. They used a harm baton on Garth and then a flash on the entire dropship... They decided to stay on after the dropship launched, so what was a large group of Alpha and Charlies beat the MP up, I cuffed him, stripped him of his headset/uniform, and we dragged him near LZ2 and threw him in the morgue. Before we left him I made sure to treat his wounds with 30u of Tricord.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Logs will have to be pulled. Logs will show it was a group of individuals taking down an MP with Non-lethals. Logs will also show I treated them with 30u of Tricord. As for why we chose the Morgue? We were leaving LZ2, his equipment was all there, and if we had left him there he couldve immediately been uncuffed by someone else and chased us down with tazers/flashbangs/etc.

If an investigation was done it would've shown the above, that it was a group of people involved. Of all of them, I specifically treated the MP. The reason I was punished was "leaving the guy" to die. I healed their wounds. The MP made the self conscious permission to go planetside... without permission. If you drop down with a bunch of Marines and harm baton their buddies, flash an entire dropship of Marines, you're going to have a bad day.

Later, after dying that round, I see the MP on the ship alive.

His ability to investigate was clearly impeded by his desire to find a reason to have me banned or "Get one on me". This type of meta targeting has gone on long enough. No other player was banned that was involved with beating the MP up, and I specifically of all of them went out of my way to give them 30u of Tricord to make sure they WOULDNT die in case they had bleeding, etc.

How you would punish the accused: The accused should be removed from staff. I was one of at least half a dozen people involved with beating the MP up and throwing him in the morgue and they specifically targeted me and me alone with this ban. No other players were banned. There is more than enough things for Staff to do than investigate whenever a Staff member decides to have a dramatic grudge against a player - especially one so egregious as this.

[freemysoul]

You stripped an MP, took them to the morgue by LZ2, Placed them inside.







Edit: FUCK IMGUR

[Sleepy Retard]

I mean, I was in the situation. I gave the MPs a few punches after I saw blood get spewed from Karmac.

Three or four marines dragged him to the morgue, ignoring half the dropship beating him up - this is just the dragging to the morgue. it wasn't just chubs. I just walked by when I had a sadar. Besides that, yeah, I dunno chief.

[Symbiosis]

Chubs is now guilty for all Xeno Crimes against Marinekind?

[Symbiosis]

You stripped an MP, took them to the morgue by LZ2, Placed them inside.

And treated them with Tricord, Free.

No one else did. Did I need to babysit the MP trying to arrest us all and harm baton us/flash us?

I threw them in the FIRST container I could so they could break their cuffs and escape. I didn't drag them to the hive.

[Karmac]

As a witness and the first person to speak with the MP about his attempt to arrest the squad's medic as we are seconds away from deploying, I can attest to no one actually attempting to stop or get in the way of the MP until he had actually started putting people down, I was one of the first people to be cuffed and while I don't have the logs I'm almost certain me and one other player were harm-batoned. At this point the dropship was launching and the other MP that had arrived to help the first MP decided to get off, knowing he didn't have permission to go planetside presumably and that locking himself in a dropship with a bunch of marines that he was trying to pacify wasn't going to end well. The other MP opted to stay and attempted to put down every marine on the ship through the use of his flash, a flashbang and his stunprod, we managed to overpower and cuff the man, the ENTIRE squad was in on this, Charlie boys by the way. We get planetside, we escort him to the Morgue, Chubs heals the man so he's in no danger of dying as some of the marines had roughed the guy up with some punches, and he was left to his own devices inside a morgue tray.

I can't stress enough that this was a group effort and that no single person had decided to shit on this MP, he brought this on himself by staying on the dropship and trying to subdue an entire squad for no good reason. Upon ahelping staff asking why Chubs specifically was targeted for this issue I was given this response:



I mentioned numerous times to Cry that it was a group effort and that we all knew what was going down, he mentions that he wasn't using this as an excuse to target Chubs yet as far as I know he was the only one to receive punishment for the issue, even though Cry says in PM's that what we did was 'griefing' because later on a Runner attempted to kill the guy. If it was griefing, and he wasn't using this incident as an excuse to shit on Chubs, why wasn't anyone else pulled up for the incident?

Hell I personally held the guy down while Chubs healed him up before we tossed him in the Morgue and nobody bothered me.

[Slduggy]

I was the Charlie SL that round who instigated the marines to interfere with what I deemed to be an unlawful arrest. I asked several times for marines to beat down the MP, for trying to get one of our boys for NO REASON.I of course I hit the MP multiple times until they were downed which allowed Chubs to Handcuff them. I did not recieve any sort of punishment, nor get bwoinked for this. Even when I aHelped as a witness to the situation it was marked as "Being handled".

Seeing as I was not even asked about my actions this seems like a clear case of staff having it out after one player; rather than them trying to investigate what actually was going on.

[freemysoul]

Except I did ask, I asked directly in OOC at the time for witnesses of what happened on the dropship to come forward.

[Karmac]

You say you asked for witnesses and then proceed to mark two incredibly-involved players ahelps stating they were witnesses as 'being handled' and 'no response necessary' (Biceps and myself), when something like that happens it just seems like you took the first guy that spoke up and didn't care for anyone else's word.

[freemysoul]

Biceps didn't ahelp, and you were involved, I needed people who were NOT involved but saw what happened.

[Symbiosis]

Except I did ask, I asked directly in OOC at the time for witnesses of what happened on the dropship to come forward.

An investigation that is done involves all parties.

a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story. Also, check logs. It may not be immediately visible WHO caused the situation, and you may need to talk to several people to figure it out. Try to do this as quickly and efficiently.

You had already decided on the 24h ban before doing the OOC request for witnesses.

Logs will show you told me about the ban before completing an investigation.

You decided you had a valid, you pursued it. The logs you provided show an MP flashing a dropship of Marines and flashbanging them.

This was an IC issue. If what I did was GRIEF you specifically only banned me and others were obviously involved. That's a targeted decision to ban only ONE player, the ONE player that treated the WOUNDS of the MP, as well.

This is why I am requesting your removal. I have requested warnings previously for targeted actions. Rahl admits there is a problem, other moderators and admins know there is a problem. You can only solve a problem with warnings and happy feelings so long before you need to resort to stronger action.

[Sleepy Retard]

Biceps didn't ahelp, and you were involved, I needed people who were NOT involved but saw what happened.

Ok well everyone there was involved, you took my ahelp and I was involved. I dunno what you expected honestly man

[Karmac]

Biceps didn't ahelp, and you were involved, I needed people who were NOT involved but saw what happened.

Ok well everyone there was involved, you took my ahelp and I was involved. I dunno what you expected honestly man

you just played yourself

[Symbiosis]

Biceps didn't ahelp, and you were involved, I needed people who were NOT involved but saw what happened.

2. Investigate the situation
a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story.

The staff protocol is clear. You are to contact individuals involved. You decided not to and banned me. You admitted not contacting those involved after they ahelped.

[Slduggy]

Biceps didn't ahelp, and you were involved, I needed people who were NOT involved but saw what happened.

I certainly did, please investigate farther. (You aint great at it, but do you best)

[Bronimin]

MP here, I was actually in the dropship to arrest your medic, Marvin Smith for disruptive behaviour during briefing. I had warned the SL over the command channel that if he didn't tell the medic to sit down that I would arrest them but the SL dared me to try instead because fuck the MPs I guess. I go for the arrest, the SL and one or two standards stand up and bodyblock so I return to my station rather than make a scene. I think that that was a reasonable approach compared to whipping out the baton and disrupting the briefing further by trying for the arrest anyway.

I tell Terry it'll be easier to intercept the medic on the Normandy, he finds them while I'm looking for the Normandy pilot to tell them to delay the launch and I go to help out. He seems to be handling the arrest so I don't pay much attention but then the Charlie SL decides to launch the ship and interfere instead of being reasonable. I stun him as he runs back towards me and the medic with the flash, try to drag the medic off of the Normandy but the ship launches before I can. Cliff runs across the DS and takes the flash while I'm prone from the ship launch and it just evolves into a beatdown from there. I'm pretty sure no harmbatoning was involved as I was very careful to stay on disarm intent.

Not my greatest moment, could have probably handled it better.

[driecg36]

I'm investigating the situation now.

Free did call in OOC before symb was banned:
[05:09:05]OOC: Sarah Cowart/Freemysoul : Ok, I need a witness to what happened on the dropship with the MP, Please ahelp now.
[05:27:50]ADMIN: freemysoul has banned symbiosis|Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Breach of Rule 0.1, 7 - Stripped, Cuffed and left an MP inside a morgue on prison station on first drop

However I do believe there is a problem with metagrudging against symb, and I feel like a lot of the staff have him painted out as a "boogie man" and a "shitter." To be fair, free could very easily be joking about symb's massive amount of staff reports, so take this with a grain of salt:
[05:34:28]ADMIN: MOD: Freemysoul/(Sarah Cowart) : At this point, I'm welcoming the report.

I've only just started, and I will pull and post more logs as I find notable ones.

[Symbiosis]

I'm investigating the situation now.

Free did call in OOC before symb was banned:
[05:09:05]OOC: Sarah Cowart/Freemysoul : Ok, I need a witness to what happened on the dropship with the MP, Please ahelp now.
[05:27:50]ADMIN: freemysoul has banned symbiosis|Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Breach of Rule 0.1, 7 - Stripped, Cuffed and left an MP inside a morgue on prison station on first drop

However I do believe there is a problem with metagrudging against symb, and I feel like a lot of the staff have him painted out as a "boogie man" and a "shitter." To be fair, free could very easily be joking about symb's massive amount of staff reports, so take this with a grain of salt:
[05:34:28]ADMIN: MOD: Freemysoul/(Sarah Cowart) : At this point, I'm welcoming the report.

I've only just started, and I will pull and post more logs as I find notable ones.

Pull the message they sent me about the ban being placed, the timing on that, please.

They said something about being a Soldier or whatever, 24h ban.

[Slduggy]

MP here, I was actually in the dropship to arrest your medic, Marvin Smith for disruptive behaviour during briefing. I had warned the SL over the command channel that if he didn't tell the medic to sit down that I would arrest them but the SL dared me to try instead because fuck the MPs I guess. I go for the arrest, the SL and one or two standards stand up and bodyblock so I return to my station rather than make a scene. I think that that was a reasonable approach compared to whipping out the baton and disrupting the briefing further by trying for the arrest anyway.

I tell Terry it'll be easier to intercept the medic on the Normandy, he finds them while I'm looking for the Normandy pilot to tell them to delay the launch and I go to help out. He seems to be handling the arrest so I don't pay much attention but then the Charlie SL decides to launch the ship and interfere instead of being reasonable. I stun him as he runs back towards me and the medic with the flash, try to drag the medic off of the Normandy but the ship launches before I can. Cliff runs across the DS and takes the flash while I'm prone from the ship launch and it just evolves into a beatdown from there.

As the SL it is in my best interest to keep my men in the best fighting shape possible, yes that means not letting my Medic get arrested for not wanting to sit down in briefing and thus miss the drop; I think that's reasonable. Considering we were on scouting duty that meant missing a medic for the duration of that objective. The other MP had the sense to vacate the dropship heading down to a presumably hostile space station. Even if I was acting unreasonably (which you say I was) and thus breaking server rules why was I not bwoinked? Instead the staff targeted chubs.

[Bronimin]

As the SL it is in my best interest to keep my men in the best fighting shape possible, yes that means not letting my Medic get arrested for not wanting to sit down in briefing and thus miss the drop; I think that's reasonable. Considering we were on scouting duty that meant missing a medic for the duration of that objective. The other MP had the sense to vacate the dropship heading down to a presumably hostile space station. Even if I was acting unreasonably (which you say I was) and thus breaking server rules why was I not bwoinked? Instead the staff targeted chubs.

Yeah I understand that and I agree, I don't like arresting marines pre-briefing either. However, I did warn you over the command net that I would have to arrest them if you didn't tell them to cut it out and you told me to eat it instead. MPs aren't required to enforce marine law all the time thank god, so I was perfectly happy letting it go until then. He wasn't hurting anyone, I agree, but running around the briefing room while the CO is giving briefing is lowRP nonsense.

I wasn't bothered too much by the smackdown-- that was all my fault 100%, fun too --the stripping and locking in the morgue tray was what I asked over msay about whether it was really ok. The other staff decided that it wasn't. Anyways, I'll stop posting here since I've said what I've had to say and I don't want to break Rule 2

[Symbiosis]

Yeah I understand that and I agree, I don't like arresting marines pre-briefing either. However, I did warn you over the command net that I would have to arrest them if you didn't tell them to cut it out and you told me to eat it instead. MPs aren't required to enforce marine law all the time thank god, so I was perfectly happy letting it go until then. He wasn't hurting anyone, I agree, but running around the briefing room while the CO is giving briefing is lowRP nonsense.

I wasn't bothered too much by the smackdown-- that was all my fault 100%, fun too --the stripping and locking in the morgue tray was what I asked over msay about whether it was really ok. The other staff decided that it wasn't. Anyways, I'll stop posting here since I've said what I've had to say and I don't want to break Rule 2

Since I've got you here.. I'll tell you that I put you in there to try to give you a "safe place" to break out of cuffs. We didn't IC know about the Xenos, but I ooc did. Headset and equipment removal was so you couldn't rat us out and chase us down. I treated you with all the Tricord I had to make sure you didn't get stuck in pain crit or something from the beating.

Sorry you almost got dragged by the Beano, I can't control them as a Marine !

[slc97]

I am locking this while I investigate.

[slc97]

Right, so in the last hour and a half, I've spoken with all staff members involved, Symb, read over the report, conferred with investigators, and conferred with my fellow managers. This is a difficult situation, but not a difficult report.

The difficulty of the situation arises from misconstrual of Rahl's words on your last report. Rahl mistakenly used the word conspired and corrected himself, but you have rolled with that to decide that there is a massive conspiracy against you in staff. What Rahl meant to say, was that our staff did something really stupid in your last report, and that validated your report. That does not mean that every ban or note you get is the result of some grand conspiracy.

The fact of the matter is, punching and beating on an MP can usually be left IC by us. It's stripping and dragging and locking him in a morgue tray that is absolutely grief. You left him entirely defenseless to the point where staff intervention was needed to keep him from being killed due to your griefing him. Griefing almost always carries a 24 hour ban. The reason you were the only one banned was because yours were the fingerprints on the morgue tray, and you were the one stripping him of his equipment.

I cannot personally say that I would not have placed a warning on Karmac as well, but staff interpretation of his involvement could very much be that it was IC and I understand where that determination came from. Furthermore, in checking the logs, I found that Free spent an appropriate amount of time attempting to find uninvolved witnesses, which is the appropriate response to this time of investigation. This is simply because we already know what involved witnesses are going to say, and that is: "MPs are shitlers," or as you would put it, "Marine law is bad, change my mind." Therefore, I cannot find any reason here to even slap Free or Cry on the wrist, let alone remove them from staff.

As for you, I had a lot of discussion with both my fellow managers and some other staff members. Some advocated for you. Some against. Some lean to your side, some against. Luckily for you, I make the final decision on this report. I don't see a reason for us to increase your ban when I believe we can solve this issue with words. I, and even the majority of staff members, believe you bring something positive to the server. The problem is, your disdain for some of the fundamental regulations we keep on the server to try and maintain order is causing a number of problems. This, coupled with your attitude, is cultivating an Us vs. Them mentality that we've been trying to remove from the community for months.

What I'm asking from you is the same thing I'm asking of the staff members who actually did wrong you in your last report. Just chill the fuck out. Everyone. Let's just play some 2d spaceman aliens and be good to each other. I don't want us to reach a point where the negative starts to outweigh the positive.

Resolved. No further action.