Staff Report: sxmething

[RevealingFortune]

Your Byond Key:
RevealingFortune

Your Character Name:
Nevari Moore

Their Byond key:
sxmething

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):
6/30/2018 6:20PM CST

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
Staff Protocol 2, as he failed to properly investigate the situation.

2. Investigate the situation
a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story. Also, check logs. It may not be immediately visible WHO caused the situation, and you may need to talk to several people to figure it out. Try to do this as quickly and efficiently.

Description of the incident:
The entirety of the incident is described below with accompanying screenshots.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
https://puu.sh/AON0F/ac44ab5999.png - The very start of the incident. Dave Swanson shot at me while I was in the midst of clearing weeds, then immediately dashed onto a resin hole, triggered it, then ran away, leaving me to get facehugged.

https://puu.sh/AON3r/8805fb6d2e.png - After being helped up by another marine, the yelling begins. I (Nevari Moore) punch David then walk away. He follows after me and disarms me, knocking me to the ground.

https://puu.sh/AON54/401b95c912.png - After he knocked me down again, I return and punch him twice, knocking him down. Upon getting up, he immediately pulls out and wields his shotgun and charges at me. He fires a buckshot and misses entirely. At this point, the situation escalates into a firefight. I run away and turn around and blast back at him with my shotgun.

https://puu.sh/AON9i/3834c9f4c2.png / https://puu.sh/AONcK/7c821224c6.png / https://puu.sh/AONdq/baccfff165.png - A firefight ensues. He pulls out an M41A rifle and begins shooting at me. I blast back with the only weapon I have, a shotgun. While he's pushing after me with a hail of bullets, I retreat, ultimately moving into the shower room (We're on Prison Station). The brief intermission allows me to gather my bearings, but it doesnt last for long. We're very soon shooting at each other again. I manage to close in, and shoot him point-blank with my shotgun. In the end, I am the survivor, although badly injured and in critical at this point.

https://puu.sh/AONhJ/607ced1dfc.png / https://puu.sh/AONiP/88217f78e0.png - In the aftermath of the firefight, I put more bullets into his body. Afterwards, I quickly attempt to treat my own wounds, but at this point I believe I'm adminfrozen. Our SL who was nearby drags me off to the dropshop. I'm met with silence for a lengthy while, before I'm eventually messaged by sxmething.

Here is the conversation that ensued between us. I'll took the liberty of cutting out the "You hear something about..." message spam that took place within our conversation, but screenshots have also been provided to provide legitimate evidence of our conversation.

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Moderator PM from Sxmething: Why did you kill Dave?

PM to Sxmething: he shot at me, got me facehugged. i punched him. he came back and punched me. i punched him again. then he charged at me with buckshots and now hes dead

Moderator PM from Sxmething: You shot them first. How can they have got you facehugged? And that's not proper escalation at all.

PM to Sxmething: he shot at me first. his shit didnt hit at all

Moderator PM from Sxmething: Even if they did shoot you accidentally, why go all the way to kill them entirely?

PM to Sxmething: dude. He charged at me with BUCKSHOTS with his gun wielded. he couldve instakilled me with that shit and then what

PM to Sxmething: i didnt escalate it at all. i finished it though because i cant play comfortably when he can roll around at any minute and blow me head off in 1 shot

Moderator PM from Sxmething: You shot them about 5 times. That's just completely unreasonable. They didn't even shoot you once, let alone intentionally try to kill you.

 PM to Sxmething: he did. your log system is shit if it doesnt detect that he shot at me first

PM to Sxmething: i was hit several times and i went into paincrit

Moderator PM from Sxmething: It shows being shot. Considering you have a history of improper escalation, I'm giving you a 3 hour ban. Next time, think a little bit before you murder someone for shooting in your general direction. Be reasonable.

 PM to Sxmething: Thats bullshit dude. . .

 PM to Sxmething: ask the fucking people around 

 PM to Sxmething: he charged at me with a shotgun for fucks sake

You have been banned by sxmething.
Reason: Improper escalation, shot another marine about 5 times with flechette until they died for "charging them with a shotgun". Victim didn't even shoot them once. Situation seems to have arose from a fistfight..
This is a temporary ban, it will be removed in 180 minutes.
To try to resolve this matter head to http://cm-ss13.com/viewforum.php?f=76 
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The situation shows a clear failure on his behalf to properly investigate. He makes no claims of looking anywhere beyond the logs, and despite my statements he acts if though the escalation of the situation was a fault of my own. The logs don't properly capture the actions that were taken here, but there were plenty of players around observing the scene to provide more context of why this happened to sxmething. Sometimes, when you're shot at the bullets misfire and/or fail to proc a hit/miss roll. This doesn't invalidate the actual assault performed. I responded appropriately, fighting for my life in a situation with a less than fortunate ending.

This situation could have been solved properly just by asking the people around about what had actually happened. Alternative approaches include dropping it as a warning or a mention on my notes that this situation had taken place as opposed to immediately escalating it to a ban.

Although this was only a 3 hour ban, I believe this called for a report, as this is something that'll effect me permanently despite the nature of the situation.

How you would punish the accused:
I recommend they're assisted in going through proper investigation protocols, including speaking not to just the offender(s) but the people about who were able to observe the situation first-hand.

[sxmething]

In my eyes, the situation was pretty clear. The amount of times you shot this guy without them hitting you ONCE is veeery sketchy. I would have given you a harsher ban had you not been shot at first.

I did investigate the situation through logs, which gave extremely damning evidence on your part. Considering the amount of times you shot them, you weren't trying to de-escalate the situation. There is a lot of things done wrong here, and you took it too far. There are other ways to stop a fight without 5 shots of flechette.

When I checked your notes, your past 2 notes were both within the past 2 months and both about improper escalation. This led me to believe you have an issue with taking a situation too far, and being a bit too trigger happy.

[RevealingFortune]

In my eyes, the situation was pretty clear. The amount of times you shot this guy without them hitting you ONCE is veeery sketchy. I would have given you a harsher ban had you not been shot at first.

I did investigate the situation through logs, which gave extremely damning evidence on your part. Considering the amount of times you shot them, you weren't trying to de-escalate the situation. There is a lot of things done wrong here, and you took it too far. There are other ways to stop a fight without 5 shots of flechette.

When I checked your notes, your past 2 notes were both within the past 2 months and both about improper escalation. This led me to believe you have an issue with taking a situation too far, and being a bit too trigger happy.

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It's quite clearly a firefight. And situations don't just de-escalate when someone's trying to shoot you dead. You're clearly attempting to bend the situation against me, and it's obvious you didn't take proper measures to actually investigate what happened. The protocol even explicitly mentions referencing and getting stories from people present. You refused, and went as far as to actively make claims that I shot first and when refuted, you refused to delve any deeper and simple sought to ban me.

[sxmething]

I am perfectly aware that you were both fighting each other. The issue is that you took the situation of being shot at to go ahead and kill the other dude, rather than try and flee or similar. You weren't punished for shooting back, but rather for taking it too far as I have repeated. Those screenshots you gave show that you shot them more than enough to subdue the threat, and then took the liberty of a final point-blank shot to make sure they died. There was no need to try and remove them from the round like that.

I'll say again that your notes display an issue with using too much force, and since you hadn't learned, you received a short ban.

Edit: I'd like to add that when I PM'd you and said you shot first, that was before I had discovered that they had been shooting too, since I hadn't finished investigating.

[RevealingFortune]

The ban states improper escalation, when I didn't even escalate the situation in the first place. There was one shot fired on my behalf between the point of him going down and him actually dying, which the pictures easily evidence. You're trying to claim it as bigger a deal than it actually is, when in the moment where you're also standing half-dead and looming over the guy who moments earlier painted himself as an enemy on the same level of the night-stalking CLF running after your ass. Although I'm at fault for continuing to shoot him after he was down in my state of vexation, that's beyond the actual fault here.

At every step of the way, you skewed the entire situation against me, which is why I went through as extensive lengths as I did to show people reading in on this everything that happened. Only now are you actually acknowledging that he even shot back at me, as at no point during our conversation did you acknowledge that. Furthermore, you're weighing my logs against me about my past issues of escalation, funnily enough, when I didn't even escalate this situation in the first place. Something you failed to acknowledge.

There's not really a such thing as too much force when you're shooting back at someone in a firefight. And when you're both out in the opening being shot at and shooting at each other, expecting simple deescalation on either parties part is a bit much on your part.

Your argument is faulty. Your ban reason doesn't even match up with what actually happened. You're practically swapping reasons on the spot right now. I think you're at fault here, and right now my own mind has not been changed.

[sxmething]

It's improper escalation down to the fact that you felt the need to execute them, rather than simply neutralise the threat. The ban describes the situation, where they were a threat to you, you weren't griefing but rather taking it too far as I am finding myself repeating.

[RevealingFortune]

It's improper escalation down to the fact that you felt the need to execute them, rather than simply neutralise the threat. The ban describes the situation, where they were a threat to you, you weren't griefing but rather taking it too far as I am finding myself repeating.

It's as if you didn't read my previous message. I'm going to wait for someone else to handle and rule on this.

[VentDuctConspiracy]

I was the SO (Ethan Cavalet) overwatching the end of this situation.

Right before Dave Swanson got downed, he was rushing Nevari shooting wildly, tanking the shots from her and attempting to knock her down before he got downed himself, paying no mind to his own health.
It was quite obvious that if it went his way, he would make sure she wasnt revived.
Considering the situation on the ground (walking in a small group, last hostiles on the station ambushing groups of marines) I'd say Dave was the one behaving inappropriately.
For a better view on the situation I'd suggesting contacting the player controlling Luke Lancaster. He was there when the shooting started.

[TexasTwoStep]

This is being looked into today.

Just some Material Background:

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Lethal Force - Do not attack another player without a legitimate, explainable roleplay reason that could be applied in a similar, real-life scenario. A fist fight does not suddenly escalate into a gun fight. Even if you are justified, you are still susceptible to Marine Law.

Don’t be a dick - Harassment, racism, bigotry, homophobia, exploiting bugs, cheating, hacking, and just plain being an asshole. Giving out plot spoilers to any media with malicious intent is not allowed, but general discussion of plot that contains spoilers about media released 1 year ago or longer is fine.

No griefing - Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or to the server without any roleplay reason. If Staff believes that the player’s intent is to grief then action will be taken whether or not it actually was the player’s intent. Any damage to the station or players caused by griefing can be repaired at an Admin's discretion. If you are being griefed, don’t retaliate - Adminhelp it. You’ll get healed. Griefing a griefer is still griefing, and the combat logs you’re generating make it harder for Staff to prove who the real griefer is.

If someone improperly escalates a gunfight and Griefs you, the best thing for you to do is (considering this is the ONLY proper Escalation Fists>Knifes>Guns - some exceptions but for general purpose that is what is used) to let it happen and AHelp it. If he would've continued to shoot at you and you ahelped it he would've been banned not you; But you did pertake upon your own satisfaction in being the MORE ROBUST player and killing him. I've sent a a report of this to someone with the ability to deal with Staff-Reports so that we can take care of this; if you have any additional information now would be time time to add it.

[slc97]

This is a pretty simple situation of you should have just ahelped instead of taking things into your own hands. In the future, Ahelp, and if you'd been injured we would have just given you an aheal and gone on our way.

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