Torrentia wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 20:04
The MP let me out. I wouldn't have any way of knowing that you didn't permit this. I was with a Lieutenant so I assumed it was kosher considering the DS had crashed into the Almayer. I didn't "b-line" so much as follow to other players, a sensible choice considering power was down and the lights were off. I did not know that the mutiny was still occurring nor which side the MPs tried to "flank from". All I saw when the survivor opened the door was red gas stuff.
1) I raised my weapon because we heard screams and shooting in CiC. I assumed ALIENS.
2) I'm sure a lot of marines had this. I wouldn't be able to tell.
3) I wouldn't have known this. All I saw was red gas.
4) I screamed for help, not from mutineers, but because I was left alone in the brig during UNSCHEDULED DROPSHIP DEPARTURE annoucement.
5) Yes because you stuck me in for 20 minutes for dragging a downed SL and your MP Chase something harmbatoned me into crit while dragging me to the brig. I do not believe I spoke a word against Carson that round. You're fabricating this.
6) Expecting to fight aliens, not to be killed by a crazed CMP.
7) Desperate doesn't explain why you KEPT hitting me with various weapons until I was dead dead.
8) For you, maybe. I was just following some dudes.
I was already downed and you continued to squish my face in despite have ample opportunity to reassess the situation at this point. The Lt. was standing right next to me. No one attempted to revive me or get me medical treatment.
You had the better position. You were in the red gas stuff. I couldn't see at all.
I wasn't a mutineer. Also apparently murder isn't THAT big of a deal to your guy, since you proceeded to do it to a downed marine.
So was this an accident? It was an accident you fired upon me until I was down, even though I wasn't able to see you or shoot back? It was an accident you went up to me and kept bashing me with your gun? I was an accident that you pulled out your baton and hit me in the head on harm intent until I was beyond dead? This excessive force and variety of weapons used here indicate clear rulebreaks.
1) The Commander specifically made an announcement saying that the Mutineers were in the CIC.
2) Only marines who were let out of the brig around the crash time, and that wasn't many people.
3) The Commander announced that mutineers were breaching the brig, you may have ASSUMED it was aliens, but that is your assumptions (Plus, I'd argue on an OOC basis, that if Human v Alien combat sounds different due to slashing and whatnot, not to mention why would their be teargas vs aliens)
4) You screamed for help LONG around the time the Commander announced the mutiny, the hijack didn't happen for quite a while. So, that is a blatant falsehood.
5) I tased a SL who was resisting arrest, you proceeded to drag them away, while I was cuffing them. You specifically dragged them west of medical (rather than the scanner), you knew we were detaining him, you decided to get involved.
6) You walked in to an active warzone where people in marine uniforms were shooting at MPs and Command, because you assumed the fight would be all over, you was wrong.
7) Because you tried to kill me, simple as, I held my gunfire after the first initial shot and you tried to blast me to oblivion, I was only alive because you forgot to load your weapon, and all it would take is 1 second for you to reload your weapon to put me out the fight (I was already on the verge of pain crit, as the logs will show me treating myself before the Lieutenant) There was no medic, no doctor, nothing we could do to revive you regardless, (Reviving you wouldn't have been done anyway)
8) Like I said, even if you were completely unaware of ALL this stuff happening (Which I doubt for a moment, because Command Announcements are ship-wide and Carson was very vocal about the mutiny)
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Trying to put worse in my mouth and imply that I'm trying to do claim it was "my hand slipping", really doesn't do you any credit. The accident is talking about sometimes people are in the wrong spot, at the wrong time. Sometimes people die from FF, some people die from misunderstandings, there are plenty of ways to die which are not simply aliens. Sometimes people die in the chaos.
The fact you're trying to deliberately claim I used three weapons to kill you, like I was walking around like The DOOM guy, 17 weapons on me is silly. I had a Rifle with 2 bullets in, taken from a mutineer, a shotgun with no ammo, and a stunbaton, I switched weapon to each when I realised they were empty.
I've just realised you've tried to claim that I was in the red mist when we first shooting each other. This is a blatant falsity. You outright just posted logs of me shooting the Delta Mutineer I killed in the CIC. They were in the OW console, this WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO BE IN THE CIC TO SEE ME, not passively sat out of it like you claimed. Not to mention, you can't see anything when you're in the mist (You can just about see the marines beneath your feet, when wearing the gasmask.)
(Oh @Griff Prisoners aren't automatically released on code Delta, they have never been, like ever. And the reason the mutiny wasn't on the lower deck, is because we had between 20-30 mutineers on the topdeck, so, it was a large mutiny, as I'm sure a lot of staff will confirm. If it was a Code Delta, I would argue it would have made even more sense to open fire, but it was at alert level red at the time, unless the synth low-key made it Delta and I missed it)
Anyway, that is the last I'm going to comment on this, I've explained why none of the rules was broken, why your death occurred and why it makes sense, and addressed and things you may have got incorrect in your report. (Such as you not being in the CIC during this encounter)
I'll try refrain from posting further until I either get fresh questions which were not already addressed or admin/mods have inquiries.
