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Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by ChengChan » 23 Aug 2018, 11:33

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Accused Byond Key(if known): Aceluke123 (not sure)

Character Name: Luke Diamond

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Philippine timezone.

What rule(s) were broken: Rule (13) and Rule (19)

Description of the incident:

1. There is a PO reported at me (forgot his name) that XO assault and steal the dropship, so since my job is to arrest the XO, I went down planetside to arrest the XO but I did not managed to arrest him. While standing infront of FOB LZ1, Nevarii Moore and Connor Anderson was arguing and targeting each other so the PO Nevari Moore just shot the CL Connor Anderson using slugshot or buckshot immediately, while I taze the PO Navi Moore and put cuff on him he told me something that "I WAS TRYING TO ARREST THE CL" but the problem is he did not tell the Military Police what the situation is or what happened between two of them the CL and PO.

2. I already arrest the PO and the CL was dying behind us but the medic manage to save him immediately, so the PO Navi Moore did was to argue and keep complaining in command radio while we are still in planetside and asking help to the Commander to release or help him because he did not do anything which is I saw that he shot the CL infront of me. There is one Alpha Smartgunner: Tobias "Elder Monk" Haab trying to grabbed the PO Nevari Moore but I told the Alpha SG in IC and LOOC to stop interupting while the MP is arresting to someone because it is a against the rules, but he stop it but I hit the PO again in my tazer because I was disturbed by someone interupting.

3. Second last drop of alamo, I put the PO inside the dropship and I went outside to check it out what happened and save other marines, but I came back inside the alamo again someone unbuckle him up already and resisting or trying to remove the cuffs, when the PO Nevari Moore saw me he run away outside and other Marines was still interupting but I tazed him and this PO Nevari Moore is getting mad in radio command again because I caught him until the "EVACUATION" was called and the Alamo went up shipside the Commander was talking in radio command (mad) which is I forgotten it.

4. So the Marines and Command staffs are panicking because Evacaution is authorized and in Command radio the officers are arguing who is going to bring the Alamo down which I arrested the PO Alamo. The problem of this Commander he wasn't thinking the situation he deployed all his officers in planetside and only one staff left at CIC.

5. The Alamo did not went down yet while Evac was called now, command radio was still arguing until the Commander grabbed PO Nevari Moore and I resist it, then he BE me using his mateba while I do a valid arrest which is I did not arrest the PO in evacaution was called. I have a question, why the Commander deployed everyone staff in CIC? And getting mad if someone not dropping the alamo, what is the purpose of alamo console? The problem he deployed everyone in planetside. The Commander seems incompetent and not thinking the situation.

6. The Commander brought me in Medical Shipside and the doctor put me in autudoc and fixed me up, since I am the only MP who knows the Marine Law and the others was baldie especially the WO doesn't know what he is doing. So I was fixed up now, I am trying to trick the Commander to fixed the BE earlier and talk to him, while talking the other MP was there already until I use my stunbaton to Commander and I was expecting that other MP is going to cuff him but he didn't and the Commander was shooting Marines(accidently) and BE me second time.

7. I am dead second time for BE, the WO threatening Doctor Jordan 'Raptor' Cross to revive my body at upper medical until the Commander went inside in medical upper medbay and he BE the Doctor by stabbing(i think) for doing his job and listening to WO orders. Also the WO just watching the Commander stabbing the Doctor he did not do anything because he is a baldie WO maybe he thinks the CO was above the law. There are alot players got mad to this Commander for real in dead chat.

8. Act like a Commander or your role, Luke.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): None. But many witnesses.

How you would punish the accused: The Admin told me to make a player report appeal since he watched the Commander doings, CM staffs I don't want to ruined someone player who tries or trying hard to get the CO role but it depends on you what is the punishment of this guy. I don't want to destroy someone's life. Depends on you, CM Staffs. That's all.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by awan » 23 Aug 2018, 11:54

I am pulling logs on this.
This is a bit more complicated. I need a bit more time then normal to make it a nice wholesome logdive.
Because it also is linked in with the staff report and I already found 2 other issues.
Can you edit your second post and put in names of people you know were involved?
this helps a bit getting the right conversations.
Edit: I am still sending a few pm's about what I can and cannot share.
I do have the Be announcement here.
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I am going to be adding quite a chunk once I know that I can share it.

Next edit: Something came up irl for me expect this asap.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by ChengChan » 23 Aug 2018, 12:01

awan wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 11:54
I am pulling logs on this.
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Nevari Moore
Jordan 'Raptor' Cross
Luke Diamond
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Connor Anderson
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Post by Aceluke123 » 23 Aug 2018, 13:34

Alright I’m indeed Luke Diamond here. I’ll first mention your toxicity through the round end was very problematic, you seem to enjoy trying to anger others or at least act like a toxic person. Though I don’t blame you when it comes to the fact on how you died and the situation that went on.

I started the round as commander, spoke with my executive officer and decided he would create the briefing. OOCly he seemed like a player who was possibly going to apply for commander or the like as last round I had him and he was alright. Turns out he is really bad with announcements and trying to keep orders straight.

I had 2 SOs who woke up throughout the round, both were very useful when trying to keep the operation going at least relatively smooth. One major downfall was our highest numbered squad (delta) even though I announced to wear helmets actively ignored it and when planetside 3 out of 12 marines had them on.

As for sending the XO down, I do not believe I authorized sending them to the planet but when I heard he was down there I did not care as he was relatively new and never spoke on coms almost the entire round after he went planetside. Basically to me he was a lost cause.

The SO I sent down because they volunteered and with the number of medics we had planetside (I believe 1) I would rather an SO be planetside able to treat marines than let everyone die. Though I believe I forgot to order them to act as a medic I allowed them down in any case.

The last SO I do not know what happened to them, they were frustrated about having to run CIC so when I went planetside in the end to make sure everyone would evacuate when I wanted, they stopped talking halfway through and I couldn’t find them when we had left the planet.

On the topic of MPs required to follow marinelaw and the reason for your BE.
I was doing my best to read coms but it was rather hell with requisitions being difficult along with no medical staff, one of which literally went planetside just to die. So when it came to you arresting a PO, one who was actively working towards the operation succeeding and had them arrested, I requested you to release them.

My view was to tell you to arrest them at a later time and I believe I actually informed the MPs to not arrest marines planetside and to wait on the ship when they had to come back up. MPs in history have a tendency to cause major disruptions if sent planetside so I have no idea why you thought to go to the FoB.

You had decided to arrest an active pilot officer, stay planetside, and with the new Normandy pilot who went to work on the Alamo being quite difficult with them trying to “own” the ship by sitting in the middle and not doing their job very well. I had decided to BE you so we had more hands actually working towards succeeding in the operation because a valuable asset was now useless and cuffed.
This comes with it being a role highly useful and needed for evacuation, even if you say I had the ability to launch it myself, having someone groundside working against the success of the operation harms any chance of marine’s survival.

Ironically they were quite useful when evacuation ended which I doubt can show in logs. The Normandy PO turned Alamo seemed incapable of turning on the turrets for the Alamo and was actually blocking any chance of doing as such by sitting in the center location.

Only right before launching for evac did we manage to get them deployed and they stalled enough for the marines to mostly leave.

I agree the arrest seemed legitamate and with the way the wording of BEs is written I broke the rule by stopping a valid arrest. Though context matters and with the situation as it was with the FoB falling and the situation deteriorating I Executed you to make sure the operation ended successfully rather than be hindered by you refusing to arrest them at a later time.

For a simple TLDR
1. Command staff was okay, but not the best. I sent down those I felt would have helped the operation (XO was not authorized until I just gave up)
2. Round was hell with marines being ungas as well as delta SL lying to me about the situation along with req working against the operation
3. You arrested a PO who could have been dealt with at a later time when evacuation was finished and we weren’t in danger of being surrounded and dying, even though you could have left with them prior but missed the DS. This is considering I believe I asked MPs to wait to arrest marines on the Almayer not go planetside and screw up operations.
4. After BEing you we managed to evacuate almost all marines on the ground we had left with the ‘active non arrested PO’ being partially useless on the dropship.
5. I don’t leave BEs half measured so when Executed I will continue to do as such even if you are revived.
6. I do regret BEing the doctor, I was annoyed and sleep deprived so I didn’t think of just dragging him away from them defibbing you because I had announced it earlier forgetting he was 1/2 doctors actually working.
7. Your attitude at round end was very toxic and irritating but it seemed you were trying to provoke me needlessly and I didn’t care.
8. When I am commanding an operation I make sure the operation comes first and my marine’s lives are always number one. So BEs I try to keep rare, but when you are actively hindering the operation I will exercise my right to remove you to make things go smoothly.
9. MPs do not have to follow marinelaw but they should avoid griefing while playing in a round, sitting at the FoB and ignoring trying to keep the operation successful causes major problems groundside when you arrest the pilot officer who is meant to fly the dropship.

Long post but I’ll make another if needed to clarify anything.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by Sleepy Retard » 23 Aug 2018, 16:00

Since I was watching the whole thing as staff (and there's msay logs proving such) I'll just throw a lil somethin somethin in.

When the PO was arrested, there was no evac going on. There was some interference and the dropship got called up before the MP was able to resecure the player from what I saw. Due to some player incompetence, the SLs, MP, CO and SO never called down the DS and it went downhill.

Due to none of them realizing that the PO was effectively useless, the situation escalated as the CO wanted the PO released to evac. Forgetting that again, he was able to do it. With such, the CO assumed that the MP was insubordinate for not releasing a prisoner in transport because he said not to arrest him.

The BE happens. Nothing to be said about that. I believe I sent a PM regarding who can use the dropship. He gets defibbed and statis bagged.

Evac happens, everyone is back up on the ship. CO fails to announce a BE but chooses to announce something else. He catches wind of Cheng being alive, so he goes on a man hunt once more. I give him an admin PM to announce his BEs. It got announced and the hunt continued by Luke.

After the BE announcement, Cheng confronted Luke in the CiC hallway. Some dialogue was exchanged and Luke got tased. He never got cuffed and stood up, attempting to BE once more in a crowd. One person was shot but Cheng ended up biting the bullet once more.

Later on, his body is recovered by the WO and a doctor. The WO tells the doctor to revive the body according to dead chat at the time. The doctor proceeds to do so. Luke walks in, and doesn't want the body to be revived. So he smashes the doctor to death with his telescopic baton. I later informed him in dead chat you don't need to murder someone to stop a defib.

The next BE announcement was made, the round went on, and Cheng was salty in dsay. Nothing out of the ordinary and was expected if anything.

Another staff member recommended for Cheng to make this report in an admin PM.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by Bancrose » 23 Aug 2018, 16:43

Player Witness here, This seems to be something regarding the Battlefield Execution. From what I just read, I wanted to make sure that that Rule 13 was mentioned in this thread.

13. Battlefield Execution - Whitelisted Commanders are allowed to instantly kill any player at any time except for the Chief MP if they feel that player is a threat to the mission. A command announcement of the situation and reason must then be made. The Commander cannot be immediately arrested or retaliated against for this action, but players concerned that the CO has been compromised can send a fax to High Command requesting the CO's arrest. Excessive or poorly-reasoned battlefield executions (such as BEing MPs over a valid arrest) may end with the Commander being removed from the whitelist.

You can kill that MP for a good reason....but never should it be done during an arrest. I understand that you haven't played CO in a while, but you must make sure you are up to date on the BE rule. As for your characters previous actions from rounds. I have never seen you BE someone before so this would be the first one I've seen from you. So I cannot formulate a great response but what I can say that if anything this is not a repeating occurrence but an isolated incident.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by ChengChan » 23 Aug 2018, 18:23

If you are not allowing me to arrest the PO Nevari Moore especially I saw that he shot the CL Connor Anderson infront of me while I am trying to go back shipside now. Don't you know that there is a possibility admins will job banned me if I did not arrest the PO? Think about my situation.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by awan » 23 Aug 2018, 19:32

Full logs.

Things I can confirm.
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The actual BE
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aftermath 1.
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Small stuff happening in between the CO got your corpse on the alamo I belive.
He did make an announcement himself without mentioning the BE
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The co found out you are alive again. He got pm'd by the mods here
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I think anything after this is not very relevant to the report anymore.
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Post by Aceluke123 » 24 Aug 2018, 01:25

Okay, after thinking on it after a day and realizing my mistake on the situation that happened lat last night (at least it was night in my time) when it came to me playing commander as well as executing you without any real reason I honestly even see myself as in the wrong.

I should have never shot you after the situation went down, and I realize now (obviously in hindsight it was a waste of time completely) I fucked up pretty bad. I won't blame it on the frustrating way the round went nor my exhaustion as I felt relatively fine when playing when it comes to my screw up. At the time I felt as though without having the PO free we would be screwed when it came to evacuating the planet. I had completely forgotten and with many other things on my mind didn't realize I could have just dealt with the dropship situation myself or at least handled the operation better, though obviously, I did not.

The whole manhunt was something I didn't realize how bad it looked until after when it came to 'hunting you down' and the subsequent second BE and the execution of the doctor as well. These are actions I had previously thought I would never do myself but apparently, I was completely wrong when it came down to it.

I've come to realize this game is more stressful than fun as of recently and am fully taking a break I may or may not come back from as of this post. Whatever decision the whitelist manager goes with I will agree to even if it comes to whitelist removal, which it's out of my hands so it's rather inconsequential to say that anyways.

As not to break rule 2 I'll add a few more details.

I felt the round entirely was a bit screwed up with the situation ground side constantly at ends with itself, stressing and making how things went much more irritating, not realizing you even mentioned going ground side to arrest the XO I believe I had asked all MPs to stay on the ship to arrest any wanted as anyone needing to be arrested for breaking marine law would be required to return to the ship post op. In any case that wasn't followed, though you were just doing your job in the end.

There were several slightly annoying LOOC comments on the situation that I felt shouldn't have occurred during the round but alas I can't multitask when busy and ask them to stop. The reason I did not state the BE was I had been trying to figure out how to deal with a BE victim that was revived is handled, but just settled on a secondary BE. I could have just had you fax HC and have me arrested for murder which most likely would have been much better for the situation to unfold but as I said, hindsight is 2020.
I typically try to let people do their jobs when playing as commander rather than take them over, but that round had me doing req work, as well as handling a majority of command aspects with the SO heading down after most of their squad was wiped out. Which is my typical route as commander on handling an empty squad.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by ThePiachu » 24 Aug 2018, 05:49

I was the CE that round. Here is the recording of the MP BE taking place (timestamped):

https://youtu.be/B_b_WeTP8Wg?t=7851

From what I heard over the radio, the command staff were a bit incompetent that round. I heard of an XO going down and going rambo. We had about 2 SOs in the round I think, but by the time the incident happened, CIC was empty. Not to mention, I was not informed I was the highest ranking officer on deck at any point - I sort of stumbled into that realisation when I went into an empty CIC as the CO was screaming for an evac order. So someone forgot along the way - not against the rules though (anymore).

I heard about the PO being arrested on the comms. From what I heard, they shot the CL who shot someone else. I think around that time we had somewhere around 2 POs, so not the best place to lose one of them. Then evac order came from the CO on the ground, while Alamo was up in Almayer. I as a CE couldn't send it down, so PO Grey Hunt had to send it down.

After the evac, I stumbled upon the CO being dragged by the MPs. In a scuffle they got free and started shooting the Metaba (MP mistake - not cuffing the Commander!). Someone got FFd, one MP got severely killed, but another one (the one I saw dragging the CO initially) was not executed, someone FFd the Commander. I called for the Doctors to come into CIC halway due to the FF that happened, and they grabbed the BE'd MP. Right after that, Alamo was stolen by the xenos. ARES was down due to a different MP griefing, so there wasn't a loud warning sent. I think the Doctor BE happened after that hijack.

Overall, I'd say CO Luke Diamond was probably the most competent of the command staff we had that round. Can't vouch for why the MPs arrested them. However, Commander BEing MPs that are arresting them and the doctor that was reviving the MP - those might be a bit too much. The latter especially might be a warcrime - I'm guessing it took place in Medbay, while the Doctor was saving the patient. Not a place you want to be killing people.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by ChengChan » 30 Aug 2018, 21:30

Alright. In this situation, let the staffs handle it if they are going to remove your commander role or not. I just don't want to ruin your life as a player in this community/game. Good luck, amigo.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by Sir Lordington » 18 Sep 2018, 14:21

Apologies for the delay.

While arrests during evac can be dangerous, it is clear that the execution is improper as the MP was performing a legitimate arrest, which is outright stated as an example of when not to execute in the Battlefield Execution rule, and the CO could've launched the dropship himself or had someone launch it for him. Furthermore, while executing a doctor who is reviving someone you have BE'd may be warranted in some cases, from what I could see the doctor was not being outright disobedient, so executing him was not necessary to stop the MP from being revived either.

That said, Aceluke has not caused problems before and clearly looks to have realised he made a mistake. Therefore, we will not be permanently removing his whitelist. Instead, he will receive a two week suspension from the role.

Resolved - Execution was improper, Aceluke's Commander whitelist will be suspended until October the 2nd.
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Re: Commander Luke Diamond for BEing MP Valid Arrest -Cheng Chan

Post by Emeraldblood » 18 Sep 2018, 15:48

Applied and finalized.
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