Player Report: Chase Hynes, Chief Military Police

[Mattmaster77]

Your Byond Key: Mattmaster77

Your Character Name: Carl 'Dad' Winston

Accused Byond Key(if known): Unknown

Character Name: Chase Hynes, he was the CMP of the round.

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 5-6 Central US Time 9/3/18

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 14- Military Police - The Chief MP must never commit any crimes in Marine Law, but can choose to ignore Minor Crimes done by other players (crimes were Neglect of Duty and/or Prevarication). Or Rule 3 No griefing. There isn't an explicit rule about being flat out abusive of your powers in game, nor in Marine Law so that's why there is two possible rules this report can go under.

Description of the incident: The incident starts off when a bravo marine named Vadim (forgot his last name) gets arrested for interfering with the arrest of an unknown charlie marine that was arrested for damage to government property. My squad is bravo (I'm the spec) and so naturally my SL orders my squad to the brig to protest about the arrest of Vadim. A MP (forgot their name too) left the doors open and Bravo just walks in, including myself. We ask the CMP to let Vadim go and my SL and two other standards proceed to enter the brig room where all the cells are and ask to let him go. Then without a word Chase proceeds to pull out his stun baton and stuns everyone in the room, including the MP that had unknowingly let us in. I then enter the room and start to disarm him, but fail to do so leading me to get stunned, and he then cuffs me and starts to drag me off to the maintenance shaft. After getting stuck, he tases me, this prompts my SL to order the marines to "defend themselves" which prompts a marine named Conrad Seeg to start shooting the MP with a pistol, then after he is stunned, another marine named Mateo starts shooting another MP and the CMP. Meanwhile I'm unconscious and only hearing what's going on because of the taser. After the shooting marines are in cuffs, we all get interrogated by Alan Jones, the XO, for about 15 minutes until the CMP is healed. So to get my possible arrestable crimes down, I've done assault, and interfered with an arrest, however I've confessed my crimes and don't try to resist during interrogation. Once the CMP comes back the CO, Heinz Meuller, starts getting involved and the situation is all cleared. The CMP decides to permabrig Mateo, that's fair. However, he then orders the execution of Conrad Seeg for an unknown crime, and the SL and I for neglect of duty. This is where a law that a CMP who is trying to abuse the Law would be nice, or a whitelist to prevent Marine Law abuse since he's got the final say on the sentence. The CO heads to the CIC and Jones heads off with the CMP to deal with Seeg after he brigs both of us for the max time of 25 minutes for Neglect of Duty after already waiting 15 minutes in cuffs, and buckled to a chair in the holding cell. I'd like to know how was this explicit neglect of duty and not just insubordination. In fact this is neglect of duty for abusing his own status in Marine Law to make sure I get the max time possible. But that isn't all, the CMP later comes around and drags the SL towards the execution chamber, I ask the CO over comms to come to the brig about the SL and CO replied that everyone but me is getting executed. The crimes were fair since it was an attempt of a mutiny per say but it was mainly Bravo Vs. the MPs not Command. And also, since I believe the marines only put the CMP into crit (I didn't hear a defib go off anytime while I was unconscious) but didn't kill him, therefore they only committed assault with a deadly weapon, which has a max sentence of permanent confinement. So therefore the execution should be invalid. The reason why I wrote this complaint is because the CMP has acted too abusive over his own powers as a CMP during the round.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I don't have evidence, however the round was highly populated so I'm certain some witnesses will come forward or staff members present since they thought it was a mutiny.

How you would punish the accused: Jobban from CMP at least, jobban him from MPs entirely at most.

[awan]

Can you be a bit more specific as to what law he broke according to your view?

Also any crime with permanent confinement can be turned into an execution with permission from the aCO. It does have to be announced though.
I am going to look into this and pull some logs.

[Solarmare]

I messaged the CMP after the arrests were done that anyone involved could be charged with sedition or the like, as marines can not mutiny against MPs and that's basically what the SL tried with bravo squad.
Bravo sl was executed for being the one to cause what happened there, mateo and conrad were executed and punished with bans for actually shooting MPs.

[Mattmaster77]

Can you be a bit more specific as to what law he broke according to your view?

Also any crime with permanent confinement can be turned into an execution with permission from the aCO. It does have to be announced though.
I am going to look into this and pull some logs.

Neglect of duty to be more specific since he has failed to be an acceptable CMP, he didn't warn the marines to leave the brig, he just started to baton everyone and make arrests, including one of his own MPs who were just standing there. He then stretched marine law to try and get the maximum amount of time for me in the brig, for neglect of duty, which I believe I didn't do, I committed assault or interference in an arrest, but I don't have any command type or ship type roles that would pertain to Neglect of Duty. Since there really isn't an actual Marine Law for abusing your powers as command staff that's what I've decided to go with.

[Mochi]

Well, Chase Hynes, also stunbaton'd me when I was standing still in briefing, there was no prior warning to me being stunned, it was completely unprovoked.

[Nwd72]

To add my point of view, I got arrested for a valid reason, but while arresting me, he did stunbaton a random marine for standin' still, doin' nothing at all, and baton'd one of his own MPs and all the other Bravos without reason, at the brig. I was asked to comment this, if you have any questions, I'll probably check a couple more times, and I'll answer 'em

[Bancrose]

While I had all of you executed, I understand that Chase Hynes without a doubt is the most difficult person to deal with. My previous experiences with him as an MP, He has people brigged for the most minor of things. He brigged someone for opening the crates in the hangar, brigged someone for throwing a candle on the floor. This kind of behavior as an MP is unacceptable and he has been doing it frequently, TOO FREQUENTLY.

As for that round, I can attest that I heard an entire squad was mutiying against MP's. Since MP's beat the piss out of all the Bravos. ICly I didn't know that but I knew OOCly that it was the case. I had everyone except the Spec executed because I know the Spec didn't commit any sedition, You must understand from an RP and IC standpoint how the Commander would have mutineers executed. For the rest of the round he wasn't as bad, but still batonning a bunch of players and starting a mutiny due to his actions is enough to merit some punishment.

[awan]

It is hard for me to know exactly where this starts. I am going to post everything said by the cmp what semi-relates to this. And all attack logs involving the CMP.

Conversation 1. Vadmin being arrested?

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Like I said I do not know exactly where we started. Before this is a conversation about the shutters and the cmp telling someone to put something back like 10 times. I assume this is where it starts.
It also looks like the marines have not yet deployed at this time.


[15:43:35]ATTACK: */(Vadim Dmitriev) grabbed */(Chase Hynes)
[15:43:55]ATTACK: */(Vadim Dmitriev) grabbed */(Tyler ''Big Black''Scott)
[15:43:56]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/* : Tyler!
[15:44:00]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: I claim you, as my own, now!
[15:44:03]SAY: Chase Hynes/* : Vadim
[15:44:08]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/* : Yeah, Chase?
[15:44:20]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: Vadim if you don't stop i will arrest you for hooliganism
[15:44:23]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: Stop what?
[15:44:31]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: Huging and draging people
[15:44:31]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: I'm not gay.
[15:44:38]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: I have hugged and dragged one person.
[15:44:43]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/* : To be specific, Tyler.
[15:44:51]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: So, you have made a false claim, by saying people.
[15:44:55]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: Also i will arrest you for sexual assault against me
[15:44:59]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: For hugging?
[15:45:08]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: WO is threatening to arrest me for sexual assault, because I hugged him
[15:45:14]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: You do know, HC won't like it, right?
[15:45:16]SAY: Chase Hynes/* : For touching me in impropriet places
[15:45:22]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: So cut it out
[15:45:26]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: I hugged the WO, he is sayin' I'll get brigged for sexaul assault.
[15:45:27]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/* : WO
[15:45:31]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: What
[15:45:33]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: SL would like to tell you somethin'.
[15:45:41]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/* : He told me to tell you, to "shove it up your ass".
[15:45:43]SAY: Vadim Dmitriev/*: That is his words.

Between this he is talking to an mp about their hat it seems.
He also arrested/tazed/cuffed vadim but that is not interesting or unsual. If requested I will post it.
Attack log time. Loads of stuns.

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[15:51:54]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) attempted to handcuff */(Vadim Dmitriev)
[15:52:00]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) grabbed */(Vadim Dmitriev)
[15:52:05]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) grabbed */(Vadim Dmitriev)
[15:52:10]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Mochi 'Boom' Buchanan) with the the stunbaton.
[15:54:53]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: Need back up at brig
[15:54:58]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Gunther 'Alpha' Wolfe) with the the stunbaton.
[15:54:59]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Conrad Seeg) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:04]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Coleen Ackerley) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:05]ATTACK: */(Carl 'Dad' Winston) disarmed Chase Hynes (*)
[15:55:06]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Carl 'Dad' Winston) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:08]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Coleen Ackerley) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:17]ATTACK: */(Conrad Seeg) punched */(Chase Hynes)
[15:55:18]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Conrad Seeg) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:20]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Gunther 'Alpha' Wolfe) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:20]ATTACK: */(Carl 'Dad' Winston) disarmed Chase Hynes (thehammerite)
[15:55:22]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Carl 'Dad' Winston) with the the stunbaton.
[15:55:23]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) attempted to handcuff */(Carl 'Dad' Winston)
[15:55:30]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) grabbed */(Carl 'Dad' Winston)
[15:55:45]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) stunned */(Carl 'Dad' Winston) with the the stunbaton.

bravo attacks back.

[15:55:47]ATTACK: Conrad Seeg (*) shot Chase Hynes (*) with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Brig Cells (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=83;Y=160;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000b]'>PM</a>)
[15:55:47]ATTACK: Conrad Seeg (*) shot Chase Hynes (*) with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Brig Cells (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=83;Y=160;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000b]'>PM</a>)
[15:55:48]ATTACK: Conrad Seeg (*) shot Chase Hynes (*) with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Brig Cells (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=83;Y=160;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000b]'>PM</a>)
[15:55:48]EMOTE: Chase Hynes/*: <B>WO Chase Hynes</B> screams!
[15:55:48]ATTACK: Conrad Seeg (*) shot Chase Hynes (*) with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Brig Cells (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=83;Y=160;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000b]'>PM</a>)
[15:55:48]ATTACK: Chase Hynes (*) shot Conrad Seeg (*) with a taser bolt in the Hull Lower (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=83;Y=162;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000003]'>PM</a>)
[15:55:49]EMOTE: Chase Hynes/*: <B>WO Chase Hynes</B> screams!
[15:55:56]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: I-I AM U-UNDER ATACK
[15:56:01]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: D-DING
[15:56:04]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: T-TO B-BRIG
[15:56:06]ATTACK: */(Alyx 'Winter' Einzbern) grabbed */(Chase Hynes)
[15:56:26]SAY: Chase Hynes/* : F-FUCKING C-C-CCOLLEEN
[15:56:32]SAY: Chase Hynes/* : A-A
[15:56:39]ATTACK: */(Alyx 'Winter' Einzbern) grabbed */(Chase Hynes)
[15:56:53]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: LIVE N-NOW FUCKING BRAVO
[15:57:11]SAY: Chase Hynes/*: M-M-MOVE O-OUT
[15:57:15]ATTACK: */(Chase Hynes) grabbed */(Carl 'Dad' Winston)

After this he goes on about how bravo got into the brig and he thanks the doctors. He is brough back to full health I assume.
He accuses an mp of letting bravo in.

Here are the staff pm's.
I cannot find an ahelp send by him so I assume he got contacted first.

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[16:18:42]ADMIN: PM: Admin->*/(Chase Hynes): You're free to charge them with sedition if it's in your interest too, here.
[16:19:56]ADMIN: PM: */(Chase Hynes)->Admin: So i just same it to the commander? that they all under arrest for sedition?
[16:20:45]ADMIN: PM: Admin->*/(Chase Hynes): You hold final authority over arrests and charges, if you find it suitable to apply to specific individuals involved you can do so is all.

3 people got executed and the CO did announce it properly.

[Arbs]

As a fellow witness in that round, I was an SO. I can attest to what bancrose said and I can support his statement.

Staying IC is an important part of the game and Heinz did what he had to do as a commander dealing with such a case. OOC however I have the same impression from Chase. And immediately knew what the cause was when I realized they were the CMP. Theyre difficult to deal with and definitely not the most understanding person. At the same time they tend often violate procedures (tasing/batoning without a word like youd expect from most bald MPs) and inaccurately apply charges.

If anything this does need some insight and consideration.

[Imperator_Titan]

This seems like one massive IC issue. I don't know what you expected when you decided to try and break that marine outta the brig and neglect your duties. Keep in mind, you're allowed to execute people in permanent confinement via proper procedure, which did happen. So there's no fault on him there. Please try and actually be reasonable next time instead of making a salt report.

However, one issue I've noticed in the above logs is him threatening to arrest a marine for sexual assault for hugging. He'll be placed under close watch, not having actually done the deed however I see no reason to further push it.

Resolved.