Symbiosis pred report.

Artemis111 · Post by **Artemis111** » 16 Oct 2018, 16:13

Your Byond Key:Artemis111

Your Character Name:Artemis Borovetski

Accused Byond Key(if known):Symbiosis

Character Name: Thwei Kv'var

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Friday, October 5, 2018

What rule(s) were broken: Pred honor code.

Description of the incident: At the time all of this happened, marines were pushing hard with PMCs and were shredding our southern flank. The queen told us to NOT mess with preds multiple times. I was playing as a rav and made sure to wait until I was mature to not let the hive down by getting killed like a nerd. When I first arrived we were being absolutely massacred, I switched my target to the arm and started chopping up every SG I saw. Eventually, me and my main homies Mature Carrier (972), Mature Boiler (859), and a warrior fell back to heal and I switched tabs to change music and when I came back I was being stabbed by a pred (hooray). After I lunged away from him my two fellow xeno tried to save me and obviously died, cause you know, preds don't have good gear and good stats against slow Xenos. He killed all three of us, who weren't looking for a fight against an OP pred and were on our last legs as a hive. Xenos lost that round.

After the round ended Symb admitted that he even broke the code stating
"IF you didn't attempt to metagame the code and actually attacked you would've been fine". Stating that the boiler would have had my back (even though all of us were pretty wounded at the time).

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

OOC: Symbiosis: Sorry you feel that way, Artemis. You were a Mature Ravager. IF you didn't attempt to metagame the code and actually attacked you wouldve been fine. A single charge and the boiler following up with acid wouldve been GG me.
OOC: Symbiosis: You were the first Xeno I killed that . I did kill TWO PMC's.
OOC: Symbiosis: I killed two PMC's.
OOC: Artemis111: So youre telling me I should have attempted suicide.
OOC: Symbiosis: I saw that lol
OOC: Artemis111: That dosent tell you Byond account.
OOC: Artemis111: You killed a shit ton of aliens after me
OOC: Symbiosis: I was asked what happened. You're the only person that salted. I most definitely did not.

I removed all the filler in round end so you could see. He killed at least 3+ xeno when we were already losing terribly. Do some log diving if you don't believe me.
You might still have to do log diving because I was too retarded to not screenshot the actual logs of what happened.

How you would punish the accused: Remove pred.

As a side note, I was told to write this after I calmed down. I didn't really think about playing CM again, but decided to show one of my friends it, and decided to post this because why not.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 16 Oct 2018, 16:22

Bear with me whilst I shift through the logs.

Artemis111 · Post by **Artemis111** » 16 Oct 2018, 16:26

Mizari wrote: ↑
16 Oct 2018, 16:22
Alright, please bear with me as I'll pull up the logs for this round. I'll edit this post again when logs are ready.

Thank you for a speedy response, I took my time so dont be afraid to take your time.

Symbiosis · Post by **Symbiosis** » 16 Oct 2018, 16:44

Don’t be daft. I didn’t admit to breaking the code. I accused you of blatant metagaming. Which you did by not even attempting to fight in the hopes I’d avoid you.

Which I didn’t. I chose to hunt you. You also weren’t wounded (which was a lie on your part), I examined you before attacking you (as I always do with Xenos). You were perfectly capable of fighting back, you just chose not to.

To add to this - if I remember right I hunted and killed two PMC’s prior to killing you - but it might’ve been one PMC before you and one PMC after. I have no tools to know who is winning, so I chose to hunt what is the most dangerous Xeno to hunt with a boiler backup. I was PM’ed by an Admin earlier in the round to be more aggressive than usual, due to both sides being given certain benefits. (Grimcad, I believe)

I’m sorry you’re salty you died but I broke zero code rules. If you had a bit of gumption you could’ve fought back and likely taken an arm/killed me.

How would I punish the accuser: Pull the logs to embarrass them.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 17 Oct 2018, 03:15

Logs from Round

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Symbiosis · Post by **Symbiosis** » 17 Oct 2018, 08:55

I didn’t kill that warrior. It had no key because it was already dead. If you pull 723 it probably was killed earlier. (Thus the “no key” portion.) The attacking of the Sentinel/Queen was when I was cornered in the caves on both sides, neither died. Pull the logs for 723 and you’ll probably find a Marine killed it.

I was trying to burst the body to take a trap from its corpse. It had been trapped earlier when the Hive surrounded me and I fled after trapping the warrior. I then dragged it south and butchered it to gather the trap since slashing it didn’t cause it to pop.

Why did you pull that log to make it look like I killed the Warrior, Mizari?

Symbiosis · Post by **Symbiosis** » 17 Oct 2018, 09:02

Anyways - looks like I killed 2 Bean Boys and 2 PMCs (basically Specs for the Marines).

After being told to be more aggressive. IF I had been less aggressive I would’ve killed what, one of each side?? I can kill more Beanos as a Marine most rounds - and a shit ton more Marines as a Bean boy.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 17 Oct 2018, 17:12

I just pulled all logs relating to you're actions during the round, if its an attack log, I'll pull it up. I'm not really sure how the honor code was broken here exactly but the logs will be reviewed and an appropriate person will make the call here.

Justicer3792 · Post by **Justicer3792** » 22 Oct 2018, 17:38

Hello, I'm here posting as a witness.
I was the warrior of this group, and here's what I saw.

Incident Report:
At the very moment the predator begins attacking the ravager, the ravager is defensive, in a corner, protecting the carrier while it rests. Well, marines don't exactly ignore slashes and roars, and begin moving up. I begin harassing and screening, hoping to keep the boiler & carrier alive while they retreat. Well, the xeno group has been forced to engage due to the predator actions and I'm not on full health. Upon catching a few AP bullets, I fall into crit and am finished off.

Incident Analysis
That's the entire encounter, couldn't have been more than two minutes. My analysis of the incident is that while Symb is of course allowed to hunt and initiate, once he had seen marines pushing up he should have backed up and looked for other targets or hunt marines. One thing that truly baffled me was a predator going after xenos at this point of the round. Queen had died, all defenses had been broken and marines were essentially in a breakthrough phase. One key identifier that couldn't have been missed is the very location of the incident, just south of the lambda medical center. If marines are there, not much space remains for xenos to back up or retreat to. I'm not a predator, but an unspoken rule for hunting seems to be hunt the strongest side. As I've said before, that wasn't the case here.

Personal Thoughts
While I certainly thought Symb's actions may have been questionable, I'm also not a fan of the attitude he pulled OOC. Symb thought that Artemis was metagaming since Artemis wasn't attacking the predator. The situation at the time with the isolated xeno group in no way could have killed a predator, not with marines ready to push. Xenomorphs are aggressive, but do have critical thinking. I know I would much rather face one threat than two.

Symbiosis · Post by **Symbiosis** » 22 Oct 2018, 17:55

Justicer3792 wrote: ↑
22 Oct 2018, 17:38
Hello, I'm here posting as a witness.
I was the warrior of this group, and here's what I saw.

Incident Report:
At the very moment the predator begins attacking the ravager, the ravager is defensive, in a corner, protecting the carrier while it rests. Well, marines don't exactly ignore slashes and roars, and begin moving up. I begin harassing and screening, hoping to keep the boiler & carrier alive while they retreat. Well, the xeno group has been forced to engage due to the predator actions and I'm not on full health. Upon catching a few AP bullets, I fall into crit and am finished off.

Incident Analysis
That's the entire encounter, couldn't have been more than two minutes. My analysis of the incident is that while Symb is of course allowed to hunt and initiate, once he had seen marines pushing up he should have backed up and looked for other targets or hunt marines. One thing that truly baffled me was a predator going after xenos at this point of the round. Queen had died, all defenses had been broken and marines were essentially in a breakthrough phase. One key identifier that couldn't have been missed is the very location of the incident, just south of the lambda medical center. If marines are there, not much space remains for xenos to back up or retreat to. I'm not a predator, but an unspoken rule for hunting seems to be hunt the strongest side. As I've said before, that wasn't the case here.

Personal Thoughts
While I certainly thought Symb's actions may have been questionable, I'm also not a fan of the attitude he pulled OOC. Symb thought that Artemis was metagaming since Artemis wasn't attacking the predator. The situation at the time with the isolated xeno group in no way could have killed a predator, not with marines ready to push. Xenomorphs are aggressive, but do have critical thinking. I know I would much rather face one threat than two.

Predators aren’t all knowing and we do not have access to a /who command to see current numbers. I had no clue the Queen is dead. Specifically, as shown previously, I was told to be more aggressive as both sides were given benefits and I spent the first half of the round hunting PMCs and Marines to give Xenos a chance to mature.

What else would you call not attacking? Freezing up, perhaps? If a Marine started slashing him with a knife you know he’d attack back. He hoped that by not attacking it would result in the Pred leaving him be.

I try to hunt the strongest side. Ask yourself why didn’t the two PMC players I mercilessly hunted and killed create player reports even though there were Xenos nearby attacking them from time to time?

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 05 Nov 2018, 19:08

Just stick a generic excuse about me being busy so it took a while to get to this. To start, with Symbiosis's comment towards Artemus about metagaming, people do try to ignore Predators in hopes they'll just not attack them, but that's not how the honor code works. If a Predator is hunting you and you're in a position to fight, they can start a duel with you. If you proceed to just ignore them, they can still carry on and fight you. There's no honor code broken here, you just didn't want to fight him is all. If you don't want to risk being hunted by a Predator, you can play more supportive / weaker "brawling" classes.

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