Mark Wilson player report

[AkaBinxstar]

Your Byond Key:Akabinxstar

Your Character Name: Nikki Foster

Accused Byond Key(if known):

Character Name: Mark 'Sherman' Wilson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Around 9:10-9:15 PM

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 14.

Description of the incident: After Delta was assigned to FOB duty by the commander, I approached the glass and told him that he was "Smoking Dog food" for assigning us this task, Which he took as insubordination and refusal to follow the order. In response to my remark, he told me to have a seat, I refused. Finally, he opened the door and exited, telling me to give him 20 pushups. When I refused with "Nah Chief" and began walking away, he pulled out his Mateba and executed me.

He claims that I was a threat to the mission because of insubordination and refusal to follow orders not yet active. He claims that there were no MPs around, which I guess is true? Considering no one really came to the sound of gunshots.
Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

How you would punish the accused: Just tell the dude that no one in a real military would ever get killed over 20 push ups.

[Lumdor]

Was the Admin that sent the Admiral in.

Let the person playing Admiral do as they see fit, and it ended with xenos crashing into the ship and the Admiral having to leave.

Mostly the Admiral was sent in because when I joined the round was told about a USCM fax from the WO, and that the person who made the player-report was BE'd for twenty push-ups.

Thought an Admiral would be able to smooth over the round.

[Novus Luna]

You were ready for this report, wow. Nicely done!

Alright, reporting as the CMP of this round, Cyrus Ambrose. I entirely agreed that this was overboard, as my general understanding is that BE's shouldn't be done if they didn't cost a life or otherwise royally fuck something up: if he'd called me, I would've brigged you for 5 minutes, maybe 10. We had an Admiral brought on, he believed it was overboard. LT Prescott, and likely others in CIC, thought it was overboard.

Considering the Admiral was brought on, it's hard to tell if this will be noted as 'resolved ICly'. The fact that an Admiral was brought on made the round fun for the rest of us sure, and resolved it IC (but not really because he was never arrested because the Alamo crashed as soon as the verdict was rendered)...but it doesn't excuse the fact that YOUR round was ruined over it.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

This was handled ICly by Lumdor who created me as a Admiral and Provost Marshal to investigate it after Novus Luna sent a fax to High Command.
Although I agree it was kinda a blood thirsty reason to BE you, it did not violate the current BE guidelines in my opinion.


Now from an IC perspective:

In the end after speaking with the CO/Synth/CMP I was going to relieve the CO of his command confine him to his quarters pending a investigation/court martial. However just as we got to the end of it, the Xenos invaded.
I gave him back his command and with RP said "Mark if you don't die, you'll probably be facing a court martial."

My OOC opinion as a mod + white listed CO:

Delta unga didnt want to do FOB duty, got BEed because she didn't want to do a NJP. Didn't violate BE Guidelines, but could have been easily jailed instead of the round ended for them. This is why BEs need to be reworked.

[VortexGaming]

Heya Alicia here. I didn't exactly see it but I witnessed the whole admiral thing, The CO's points given for the BE were that he was refusing to accept briefing order's for his squad and to which stood in front of him. The CO told the marine to sit down which they refused, making the CO ask him again this time giving him an NJP for 20 push-ups to which he refused. From the way, he worded it in the conversation with the admiral that is when he decided to BE the marine. He admitted to not contacting the MP's at all for this situation.
Basically, something an MP could have fixed if informed.
Though this is a "legal" BE I feel the CO did go a tad bit out of the way to get this one.

[Mark Wilson]

Well it seems I am required to respond to this.

I will start with what happened.

I am giving briefing. I assigned Delta Squad FOB duty. After doing so, PFC Nikki Foster runs up to my face where she proceeds to scream in my face (all caps) "DO YOU REALLY THINK I AM GOING TO DO FOB DUTY!!!??" She then starts to walk back to her chair before I say "Indeed you will!" "back to your seat grunt!". After my response, she runs back to the booth and screams once more "I REFUSE!!!" Openly refusing to follow DIRECT orders from her Commanding officer twice. I walk out of the booth and attempt to grace her without very much punishment, I asked her to give me 20 pushups and walk away, a perfect opportunity to get off the hook, and just like that, she blows it off. Refusing direct orders for the third time in a row, (these orders include the defense of the dropship that is absolutely critical to the operation). And runs away. These actions were completely unacceptable for a fully trained USCM Marine. Being that she has basically gone AWOL and refuses to follow orders, along with no MPs being around (I believe the CMP was the only one online, and he was all the way in brig) I mark her as a threat to the operation, I assumed she was going to continue these acts of insubordination, and encourage her fellow squad mates to do the same. I intercept her escape and proceed to carry out the Battlefield Execution. Where I then finish briefing and run to the CIC as fast as I can, making the required announcement for a BE.

I followed all protocol and procedure for a battlefield execution.

As rule number 14 states: Whitelisted Commanders are allowed to instantly kill any player at any time except for the Chief MP if they feel that player is a threat to the mission. A command announcement of the situation and reason must then be made. The Commander cannot be immediately arrested or retaliated against for this action, but players concerned that the CO has been compromised can send a fax to High Command requesting the CO's arrest.

I am allowed to BE ANYONE at ANY time.

I do not have to notify any MPs of my intentions, nor nothing of the sort.

I also did not ruin her round. Had I not carried out the BE, she would have definitely been brigged for about ten minutes on the max charge of insubordination due to her multiple warnings and chances. Her rude and typical grunt attitude, along with her running away, makes me certain she would have resisted her lawful arrest, adding another 10 minutes. Stacked ontop of this would be ANOTHER ten Minutes for failing to carry out her NJP. Overall giving her a good 30 minutes in brig.

Considering this, I did not stop her revival and release. I allowed her to once again walk free, and alive. In my opinion I accelerated the amount of time she would have been delayed deployment.

I would also like to add the countless BEs that have been much more unreasonable and excessive than this, most have gone unnoticed. Even though, if not being unreasonable, they've been 20 times more unreasonable.

This is all I really have to say, and the amount of hate and shit I've gotten for it pains me. The fact that WAY worse has been done with near to noting being said or done... just is not right. To be frank, this has ruined my entire mood for CO, I probably won't be commanding any longer until the rework has Launched.

Thank you to those who are on my side with this.

Edit: Also man, I don't wanna argue or cause anymore disputes, but its honestly messed up how you made it seem as if I BE'd you souly because you didn't do the NJP. A lot of people shit on me because of that.

[VortexGaming]

Nikki was never revived. putting that out there.

[Mark Wilson]

Nikki was never revived. putting that out there.

Really? I was almost certain she was, multiple comms came in that medical had received her body and were attempting to revive her. I was quite busy with explaining myself to the admiral for like... the entire round... so I must’ve missed what happened next and assumed she was indeed revived, because that’s usually what medical does.

[GoliathTheDespoiler]

Really? I was almost certain she was, multiple comms came in that medical had received her body and were attempting to revive her. I was quite busy with explaining myself to the admiral for like... the entire round... so I must’ve missed what happened next and assumed she was indeed revived, because that’s usually what medical does.

Doctor here for that round. We retrieved Nikki's body, and one of the other doctors (went by Spike I believe) attempted to revive her, and I told them to not do it since they were a execution. She was placed up in the morgue.

I'd hardly classify this as a legal execution in all honesty. Insubordination for not doing pushups does not, and I quote "Make you a threat to the mission".

[Mark Wilson]

Doctor here for that round. We retrieved Nikki's body, and one of the other doctors (went by Spike I believe) attempted to revive her, and I told them to not do it since they were a execution. She was placed up in the morgue.

I'd hardly classify this as a legal execution in all honesty. Insubordination for not doing pushups does not, and I quote "Make you a threat to the mission".

I really wish you guys would stop saying the BE was for not doing the pushups. I've clarified this multiple times.

The NJP was issued as a final grace to get her out of any harsh punishment, I was already ready to execute her after she underminded me for the second time.

She was executed for refusing to follow critical briefing orders directly issued to her by the Commanding officer. These orders include the protection of a critical resorce to the operation, DS-1. THIS makes her a threat to the mission, openly refusing briefing orders in front of the entire platoon of marines, directly undermining my authority. People have been executed for MUCH MUCH less.

Again, this is not the first time I've clarified this. Its messed up how everyone is shitting on me because they think I executed her because "feg didn't do pushups" Which is completely not true.

[AkaBinxstar]

You were ready to execute me after refusing to take a seat?

[Mark Wilson]

You were ready to execute me after refusing to take a seat?

No I was ready to execute her when she refused to fallback in line, and follow briefing orders.

[AkaBinxstar]

So when you you told me to sit back down and I didn't, you we're ready to BE me?

[Mark Wilson]

So when you you told me to sit back down and I didn't, you we're ready to BE me?

Yep, because by sitting back down, you accept the orders, and are put back into place. Once you refused to fallback in line, you underminded my authority once again, and continued to refuse direct brifing orders.

[Mark Wilson]

Yep, because by sitting back down, you accept the orders, and are put back into place. Once you refused to fallback in line, you underminded my authority for once again, and continued to refuse direct brifing orders.

The NJP was simply the final grace

[Emeraldblood]

Both of you are in the wrong here. If the Commander tells you to do something and you flat out refuse, you're making a conscious decision to do so and are accepting whatever IC punishment comes. If your a commander and someone refuses to listen to you, the current rules don't prohibit you from BE'ing them, but it's discouraged to go right to BE. This incident will be noted down for future cases but no punishments will be given, as it was handled ICly by an Admin. If you don't want to possibly be killed by a CO, then don't openly defy them, that simple.

Resolved - Noted but no case punishment needed.