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Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by tinfoiltophat » 24 Oct 2018, 17:52

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Character Name: Tom Dinkle

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 2-4PM CST, other unknown times

What rule(s) were broken:Rule 2: Roleplay

Description of the incident:I was only on for the second half of the round, but from what I know of the incident, Dinkle ordered the hospital on big red completely destroyed so he could build an FOB there. This isn't the first time he's done this, as I was also on a few days ago when he ordered the troops to bring extra bags full of ammo so they could completely demolish every wall of the hospital, which, according to other people in dchat, is what he did this round as well. This is very clearly lowRP, the job of the marines is to secure the colony and rescue survivors, not to fully demolish a hospital with gunfire so they can build an FOB. Also, he made several announcements directly referencing starcraft by name, and telling the marines to form one big "murderball" to kill the aliens. He also referred to the queen as the "Cerebrate," which is also a starcraft thing i guess. He's also pretty well known for giving out outright memey medals, giving medals to himself, and having medals in all capital letters. Normally, these things alone wouldn't be much, but together it shows that Dinkle really doesn't have RP on his mind as a CO, and is more focused on doing his gimmick. There are roles where you can gimmick and be a little memey, but from an actual whitelisted Commander I thought the server had a higher standard of RP.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I was unable to take screenshots or grab logs of any announcements, but they should be available to admins. Here are some screenshots of the hospital, though. https://imgur.com/a/JSOo8rH

medals this round:
Squad Marine Samantha Rigga is awarded the bronze heart medal: 'Highest wall kill count of the operation.'.
Squad Leader Sally Shears is awarded the medal of exceptional heroism: 'When I was checking everyone's dream through the hypersleep console, I've noticed something. Sally Shears was having a nightmare about walls. Walls... closing in, blocking firing lines and beasts hiding behind said walls that she cannot shoot. This inspired me. We needed to destroy the walled menace. This woman has the highest wall kill count of Bravo and by god no walls will stand in her way again.'.
Squad Marine Mikhail 'Hawk' Prontinost is awarded the medal of exceptional heroism: 'THIS GUY IS A WALKING GEOGRAPHY CLASS, BECAUSE THIS BOY-GENIUS MANAGED TO GIVE THE BEST GOD DAMN COORDINATES FOR AN OB I'VE EVER SEEN. I ESTIMATE ABOUT 69 OF THE BUGS WERE BLOWN UP IN THAT MASSIVE OB AND IT'S ALL THANKS TO THIS GUY'.
Squad Smartgunner Dee Cressman is awarded posthumously the medal of exceptional heroism: 'ONE OF THE MANY APESHIT GORILLAS WHO WENT DOWN WITH ME TO SAVE THE MISSION. FIRST, WE LANDED ON TOP TWO OF THEM, THEN WE ALL PUSHED OUT AND ABSOLUTELY CURB STOMPED THEM. YES, WE LITERALLY PUT THEM ON A CURB AND STOMPED IT WITH OUR BOOTS. THAT IS WHAT DEE DID I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.'.
Squad Marine Kaitlynn 'Maverick' Lawson is awarded the medal of exceptional heroism: 'THIS MARINE IS SICK AND TIRED OF THE FEMINIST MATRIARCHY OF THE ZERG AND THUS TOOK MATTERS INTO HER OWN HANDS. SHE RIDDLED THE QUEEN WITH FACTS AND LOGIC AND PUT HER THE FUCK TO SLEEP'.
Squad Marine Godwin 'Elite' Agg is awarded the medal of valor: 'WHAT COULD I POSSIBLY SAY ABOUT THIS MAN? HE FAILED ALL HIS PSYCH TESTS AND LIKES TO HURT THINGS. THIS PSYCHOPATH MANAGED TO KILL AROUND 53 OF THE BUGS AND ONCE HE ARRIVED TO THEIR HIVE, PERSONALLY CLUBBED 43 BUG BABIES WITH A 2X4. THANK YOU'.

some medals from rounds prior:
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/90259e5e ... 29-png.jpg

How you would punish the accused: i would warn him about being excessively lowRP as a CO and maybe dewhitelist for a week.

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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by ImHereToHelp » 24 Oct 2018, 17:54

I am Tom Dinkle.

I'll upload the entire round soon.

JUST FYI: The hospital strat won every time

ALRIGHT SO! I'm going to dissect your post and address them point by point
Description of the incident:I was only on for the second half of the round, but from what I know of the incident, Dinkle ordered the hospital on big red completely destroyed so he could build an FOB there. This isn't the first time he's done this, as I was also on a few days ago when he ordered the troops to bring extra bags full of ammo so they could completely demolish every wall of the hospital, which, according to other people in dchat, is what he did this round as well. This is very clearly lowRP,
New strategies are not considered lowRP. This had a gameplay importance that I gave an RP twist to saying we are going to rebuild the medbay and renovate it for the Company. I've never had any problem from others doing this strategy because it's silly and it is also EXTREMELY effective and leads to great rounds. Why does it lead to great rounds? Because marines are not rushing xenos, they are not dying to xenos and xenos get to MATURE. Both factions get to fight at FULL STRENGTH and parts of the map that never get utilized become fighting grounds. This is a great strategy for everyone in teh round and it has ALWAYS led to fun. It is also EFFECTIVE because it has won TWICE out of TWO times I've used it.

the job of the marines is to secure the colony and rescue survivors, not to fully demolish a hospital with gunfire so they can build an FOB.
Grasping straws here.
Also, he made several announcements directly referencing starcraft by name, and telling the marines to form one big "murderball" to kill the aliens. He also referred to the queen as the "Cerebrate," which is also a starcraft thing i guess. He's also pretty well known for giving out outright memey medals, giving medals to himself, and having medals in all capital letters. Normally, these things alone wouldn't be much, but together it shows that Dinkle really doesn't have RP on his mind as a CO, and is more focused on doing his gimmick. There are roles where you can gimmick and be a little memey, but from an actual whitelisted Commander I thought the server had a higher standard of RP.
So the next part of the complaint is the supposed lowRP due to starcraft references. Keep in mind that I've been commanding for TWO HOURS. I was EXHAUSTED. I did so much to get marines in line and rallied doing shit to win the mission. I wanted to be a bit silly because it is eye catching and frankly I think I'm entitled to a bit of fun. It was the most draining round I've ever played and I really didnt think people would get upset at that. When you make people laugh, you make people want to be around you. They will do what you want. I make people laugh so people follow me. As they are following their CO, they take them seriously.

As for the medals, if I have to tone it down I will. But, they really arent that bad. I put a humorous twist on what the person did.

My ultimate goal when I am CO is to make the round fun for everybody. For marines, for CIC, for req even for the fucking xenos. That is my goal. When I think about what orders to do, what strategy to employ it always takes into consideration if it is fun for EVERYBODY. Whenever I make an RP decision I make sure it is fun for everybody. I act silly and goofy because I get results from that. People laugh, people want to hear what I have to say, People want to be around me to see what sort of situation I will cause to create good RP.

Tom Dinkle is a silly man and he tries his best to be friends with everybody. I have other characters that can meet HRP requirements but I choose to play Dinkle because he makes things fun. I always have people talking to me saying how I did great and blah blah blah. This report I believe signifies a minority of people who are very loud for some reason.


Almost every single person I've invested energy into RPing with loves me. I don't think I've met someone I RP'd with as Dinkle who hates me, it's just people in the background that only notice me.


That's all I can really do to address this report.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Survivor » 24 Oct 2018, 18:08

I've been in many, many rounds with Dinkle as a CO, and I have one thing to say.


This guy generates more salt than Bill fucking Carson, for literally no reason. He has a CO gimmick of doing anything to increase morale as much as possible. I don't think that's a god damn Sin. Another thing you mentioned was his tendency to "tear down medbay on Big Red". Emerald Blood, the Head Manager if you didn't know, has already stated that a CO will never be punished for breaking the Meta.


I don't know anything about StarCraft, so I've got no idea if any of that holds up or not.


All in all, just because you don't like the way this guy RPs doesn't mean he should be punished. There are Commanders who have done shit far worse than he has ever done, but they don't get the salt bath that this guy gets. He does his role, and he does it well.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Enigmachine » 24 Oct 2018, 19:03

I was a PFC in this round who followed Dinkle around for quite a while after he went planetside. His gimmick was clearly to be upbeat no matter what and it in no way detracted from his focus on leading the USCM to victory. This report can be boiled down to, "Nyeh, he isn't being a bland drone of a CO!"
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by slc97 » 24 Oct 2018, 19:31

I will not make the decision on this report, but I am going to weigh in with my opinion. I get you wanna emulate Bill Carson in the exact opposite way, but your medal shit is just stupidly LRP, and your constant references to StarCraft are equally dumb. LRP is something the commander council is working to eliminate, and your stupid shit makes that job harder. On top of that, when told in the discord that this wasn't cool, you just went on about people having sticks up their asses and calling them retarded instead of just evaluating your own actions.

Like I said, the decision is up to Em and the council, but I would be putting you on a probation at the very least.

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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by ImHereToHelp » 24 Oct 2018, 19:33

slc97 wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 19:31
On top of that, when told in the discord that this wasn't cool, you just went on about people having sticks up their asses and calling them retarded instead of just evaluating your own actions.


I was getting a lot of flak so I returned it. The ideal play would have just to let people talk it out rather than argue. I apologized to the individuals afterwords for losing my cool.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by 420MYK » 24 Oct 2018, 19:34

I joined this round right at the end but ive played plenty of dinkle CO rounds, including the other hospital autism rounds. And to start, Dinkle is a good CO, like enigmachine said alot of this report can be boiled down to "hes not a drone CO' etc. Win or loss Dinkle does have his gimmick of being upbeat etc and while yes it grates on some people (me included at times) Ive noticed that aside from salt in dchat where theres always salt anyways, Dinkle does his job and does actually add to morale. To say he generates as much salt as carson is a joke though. Everyone has lowRP moments and while a CO shouldnt have them as often it is allowed.

Dinkle, "JUST FYI: The hospital strat won every time" victory isn't everything its not the COs job to assure victory its to make sure the games fun in extra ways which you do accomplish, But you have to admit that leveling a HOSPITAL on the Wey-Yu colony were there to check out(usually trying to minimize collateral) is lowRP and actually kinda meta. Why are you dropping off the DS and just shooting walls of the colonists hospital with no idea whats happened colony side? what if it was just a power outage and tcoms array problem. And the reason no colonists met us at the hangar was coz they were in the labs or mines and figured "hey no tcoms to signal ships no point manning the hangar".

Honestly any report written at a CO until the changes are made is kinda just a joke unless its super serious, Talk to dinkle about LRP and OOC referance IC but asking for dewhitelist is a joke, just coz hes tryna be another carson as opposed to being a cloned "give orders sit in CiC CO"
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by ImHereToHelp » 24 Oct 2018, 19:49

This is the footage of the entire round in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDQn9J ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Exodus » 24 Oct 2018, 19:52

I was the Synthetic in this round. At no point did I get the impression that Dinkle was violating any sorts of rules and regulations. It's not supremely uncommon for Commanders to reference things that are from our real-world modern era with an aside such as "That really old X", and frankly it didn't hurt my immersion much at all for the Xenos to be compared to the Zergs.

Beyond that, its been noted several times in the past that doing something that isn't the meta isn't an issue, and the fact that he went about the process of attempting to "innovate" the Medbay created more potential RP than it would have if he'd just made a normal LZ1 FoB. After all, it gives the Corporate Liason something to discuss with the Commander.

Throughout the mission, Dinkle kept a firm hand on the operation, and did his best to lead the mission. Announcements aside, I think he fulfilled his work as Commander at developing opportunities both for RP and providing direction for the Marine Forces. If he wants to play at being a purveyor of archaic video games in the process, I don't see the problem. The medal thing doesn't really seem all that sketchy either, though I personally probably wouldn't give as many medals as he does for the same things that he does. Again, I can totally understand wanting to reward others, especially with it having been a rather lengthy and straining round for Tom.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Bancrose » 24 Oct 2018, 19:53

Asking a for a Dewhitelist on the first Offense as a Commander? Might be a little too much.

I don't know many people who have been honestly bothered by the Medals. His whole gimmick is being a Cheerleader and honestly nobody has brought it up or voiced their frustration with it until now.

So this is my whole shtick on it.

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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Oaks » 24 Oct 2018, 20:43

Very refreshing round, even though I died early defending the medbay after we'd demolished it and xenos were pushing. That said, starcraft stuff should for sure be cut out though.

It's unfortunate that in this era of the game, anyone that tries something outside of the normal "meta", especially on Big Red of all maps, takes flak. I've participated in my fair share of cave rushes, and sometimes they work, while sometimes they don't. The change of pace was nice, as well as kind of cool to see marines working together with such cohesion in shooting those walls.

Yeah, those medals (including the one I got) are a bit over the top and could probably be more professional... I think the CO in question just needs to find a balance in keeping the round from being bland, while not getting too wacky, and always understanding the responsibility the role carries.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Arbs » 24 Oct 2018, 21:39

As an SO for the most duration of the round I have to say that the tound was wuite entertaining initially. As far as leading goes the commander did his job well.

The initial deployment was funny. Especially seeing marines flatten down walls and still FFing themselves. Snd even when things started to drag, he still managed to keep things going and provide leadership for marines.

Sure, medsls are supposed to be serious, to not let them turn into memes, so that part needs to be toned down a little along with the starcraft memes.

We even discussed this in the CO channel, so it should be fine.

While their attitude is extremely positive and enthusiastic, I can appreciate it, however some others may not. So perhaps they nay have to make some adjustments.

But in any case I dont really find any basis to this report. Even though it may have been a bit freaky, the CO did a great job at leading the operation to turn into a marine victory.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Mark Wilson » 24 Oct 2018, 22:38

I was a ghost for this round, I saw the medals and such, observed him.

Though I don't mind his gimmick, it's not a huge deal. I don't agree with his medals, they're quite LRP, not at all what was intended.

He did indeed say sorry for the insults and what not in discord, and agreed that he would stop the medal memes, so in that case I don't see much punishment being required other than a warning.
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by tobinerd » 24 Oct 2018, 22:50

CMO from the round here. That round was intense as hell and probably one of the most busy medbay's (shipside) I've had.

I think Dinkle is a very fun and unique commander, that always surprise us. His strategies are interesting, brings some spice to the round and fun to a lot of people. Holding medbay also made it fun with some good fieldside surgery and I didn't get the impression that anyone disliked what he did. He is good at increasing morale, which kept things going strong while we kept spewing out fresh marines from medbay. Despite how gruesome it looked with more than 20 wounded in the hallway for an hour strait due to the constant surge of wounded, people had something to come back to and they did. That Dinkle used a strategy that kept both sides fighting strong, meant that the wounded who were in medbay for half an hour due to queue waiting time, meant their entire round wasn't wasted.

I can understand the complains about the LRP though and the medals. But I honestly don't care about a meme reference or joke about starcraft for such a long round to make us all laugh. And about the medal, so many commanders are doing this. This isn't just Tom so don't take it all out on him
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by ImHereToHelp » 24 Oct 2018, 22:55

I will say the announcements about starcraft were purely to make people laugh. It was a long round, 2 hours in everyone was tired, I just wanted to lighten up some spirits. I'd never meme that hard if it was just a regular ol' round and I genuinely did not know that it would be this big of a problem. I'd also like to point out that the Aliens timeline is similar to ours and thus Starcraft would have existed.

And also to Mark Wilson, even though I apologized to you on Discord I'd just like to put it out here in the report that I am indeed sorry I popped a lid and sperged out on you.


EDIT: It appears there is no obvious indication of the problematic announcement, so here it is:
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by VortexGaming » 25 Oct 2018, 00:28

Warning there is ALOT of them Logs:
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Re: Commander Tom Dinkle Report

Post by Emeraldblood » 25 Oct 2018, 21:06

Right, this will be left a single warning regarding LRP announcements and medals. With the CO rework inbound, this will not fly and if ImHereToHelp doesn't take things like that more seriously, he will be removed from CO on the next infraction. If you want to act less serious, play XO or SO.

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