Karmac - Extreme lowRP as CO

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:43

Your Byond Key: GoliathTheDespoiler

Your Character Name: Joseph 'Goliath' Clancy (Was moderating at the time)

Accused Byond Key(if known): Karmac

Character Name: Garth Pawolski

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 2amish on Wednesday, Central US time.

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 2 - Roleplay & Roleplay Standards

Description of the incident: Near the beginning of this round, Karmac had dared sleepyretard to shoot him after he had broken into the south MP checkpoint. After sleepy checked in LOOC, he complied and killed him. I had investigated the situation, and considered it to be lowRP to the point where this report needed to be made.

Immediately following this, Karmac moved into briefing where Zanebot's character threatened him with an RPG, after a verbal argument and several marines calling for both the CO and the Spec to shoot each other, Karmac beat Zane after a short chase with a telebaton. Zane then proceeded to shoot him with a white phosphorus round from the RPG in CIC, which, of course, led to Karmac BEing him for attempted murder. One of the marines who had been following then gunned down Karmac.

Additionally, Karmac had given himself a medal for 'single-handedly stopping an attempted mutiny'

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

Logs:

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Screenshots:

Karmac's medal:
https://gyazo.com/e0fdafe1f02ca5df913073860daa3b95

How you would punish the accused: Severe warning and/or probation, additionally a temp ban from the server.

z a n e b o t · Post by **z a n e b o t** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:44

rule 6

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:44

Rule 6

Sleepy Retard · Post by **Sleepy Retard** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:50

Since I'm one of the main witnesses, I believe rule 6 is in effect.

otherwise, after talking to Karmac post round, he had no problem with me killing him, because I asked in looc after he told me to do so.

Furthermore, talking with Dionsu and Randal, he had full rights to BE - and Randal even admitted this. He just didn't finish the BE, so Randal came around to kill him.

And then he was BE'd for good. Which caused the mutiny.

The medal isn't....LRP, he did in fact put down a mutiny. Boasting to the extreme, but again, is it LRP to award yourself a medal for stopping a mutiny? Eh...maybe

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:51

z a n e b o t wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 04:44
rule 6

I had handled the situation as staff, does that not mean I was involved?

Also, Karmac had seemingly done some more lowRP stuff the following round, including dropping at 12:15 with all of his staff officers, and more of the lowRP meme says, etc.

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:52

I mean feel free to provide logs of the lowRP memery in the following round, but I followed all the rules for a 12:15 scout deployment.

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 04:55

Round still in progress, will post logs when it ends

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:04

I personally believe rule 6 is not in effect, as I was the staff member who had handled the first situation involving Karmac. I had also handled the following situation with the BE and the subsequent shooting of Karmac.

I'll let the people in charge of these reports decide, but I don't believe anyone else could've really made this report aside from Zane and Sleepy, as noone else was REALLY involved in this directly.

z a n e b o t · Post by **z a n e b o t** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:08

I'm really not seeing any lowrp besides karmac saying "eat pant" and "do it no balls".

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:19

Say-wise, yeah, it's not too much aside from most of the 'retard', 'eat pant' 'no bals' etc. Comments.

However, much of what he did that round ICly was also lowRP, such as beating a SGT with a baton, giving himself a medal, spouting internet memes such as 'okay now this is epic', and the whole concept of him daring a marine to shoot him is pretty silly and lowRP.

Would you realistically dare your subordinate to shoot you because they were trespassing, and then reinforce it to the point they perceived it as an order??

z a n e b o t · Post by **z a n e b o t** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:25

GoliathTheDespoiler wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 05:19
Say-wise, yeah, it's not too much aside from most of the 'retard', 'eat pant' 'no bals' etc. Comments.

However, much of what he did that round ICly was also lowRP, such as beating a SGT with a baton, giving himself a medal, spouting internet memes such as 'okay now this is epic', and the whole concept of him daring a marine to shoot him is pretty silly and lowRP.

Would you realistically dare your subordinate to shoot you because they were trespassing, and then reinforce it to the point they perceived it as an order??

How is beating a marine that threatened you with a rocket launcher lowrp? The medal wasnt lowrp, he single handedly put down a mutiny himself. Saying "ok now this is epic" isnt even really lowrp, you're essentially saying that using the word epic is lowrp.

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:25

would you realistically report someone over an issue you already handled in the round and then reinforce the point that you have no idea what you're doing??

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:34

z a n e b o t wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 05:25
How is beating a marine that threatened you with a rocket launcher lowrp? The medal wasnt lowrp, he single handedly put down a mutiny himself. Saying "ok now this is epic" isnt even really lowrp, you're essentially saying that using the word epic is lowrp.

He could have quite easily have shot you, he even had his mateba wielded during part of the chase.

The medal not necessarily lowRP, but it was still a violation, because I believe there was already an announcement made saying something along the lines of 'no meme medals & don't give medals to yourself'

And saying 'ok now this is epic' isn't always necessarily a meme, but I'm quite confident that someone who literally just died, revived, and is sitting in crit wouldn't classify the situation as epic.

Karmac wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 05:25
would you realistically report someone over an issue you already handled in the round and then reinforce the point that you have no idea what you're doing??

As per whitelist rules, I have to make an actual report on you in order for something to be done about what you've done as a whitelisted role that violates the position. I'm pretty sure that me deciding to report you instead of just flat-out banning or noting you is appropriate as the lowRP was related to your role as CO and how you carried yourself that round.

z a n e b o t · Post by **z a n e b o t** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:36

GoliathTheDespoiler wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 05:34
He could have quite easily have shot you, he even had his mateba wielded during part of the chase.

The medal not necessarily lowRP, but it was still a violation, because I believe there was already an announcement made saying something along the lines of 'no meme medals & don't give medals to yourself'

And saying 'ok now this is epic' isn't always necessarily a meme, but I'm quite confident that someone who literally just died, revived, and is sitting in crit wouldn't classify the situation as epic.

As per whitelist rules, I have to make an actual report on you in order for something to be done about what you've done as a whitelisted role that violates the position. I'm pretty sure that me deciding to report you instead of just flat-out banning or noting you is appropriate as the lowRP was related to your role as CO and how you carried yourself that round.

He didnt shoot me because i was zig zagging through multiple marines, he easily could have shot any one of them on accident.

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:41

z a n e b o t wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 05:36
He didnt shoot me because i was zig zagging through multiple marines, he easily could have shot any one of them on accident.

True, but he could've shot you after he stunned you with the baton.

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 05:42

I'm willing to take the hit for the medal if it's literally illegal to give yourself one, but otherwise I really don't see how a line like "this is epic" is enough for me to get in trouble for Low RP. Additionally, as far as insults go towards a marine I'd just given the business, 'eat pant' is among the simplest, and most efficient at carrying across the message that I have proven myself superior.

To explain the BE issue, I originally didn't want to BE Zane due to the horde of marines surrounding him and the fact they were all specialists, thought I'd let him off with a few telebaton whacks. Once he chased me up to the CIC and made clear his intention he would refuse to follow my orders, I decided to bring out the smartgun due to the fact I believed the crowd of marines with him would have every intention of trying to stop me. All in all that issue handled itself IC'ly entirely, and I took no issue with the marine that gunned me down as I just assumed them part of Zane's insubordination. I completely forgot to handle that IC'ly after I was revived however, which I'll admit was the fault of my shitty memory.

Bancrose · Post by **Bancrose** » 14 Nov 2018, 17:14

The Commander Council will comment on this at some point, Everyone else please respect rule 2.

VortexGaming · Post by **VortexGaming** » 14 Nov 2018, 20:33

Ill be pulling logs for this in a moment

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 20:56

bro I think you missed the part where he's already got the logs

GoliathTheDespoiler · Post by **GoliathTheDespoiler** » 14 Nov 2018, 21:07

Karmac wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 20:56
bro I think you missed the part where he's already got the logs

They need to confirm that I didn't omit anything important either by accident or intentionally

driecg36 · Post by **driecg36** » 14 Nov 2018, 21:19

GoliathTheDespoiler wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 04:51
I had handled the situation as staff, does that not mean I was involved?

Also, Karmac had seemingly done some more lowRP stuff the following round, including dropping at 12:15 with all of his staff officers, and more of the lowRP meme says, etc.

Being involved does not necessarily mean you are not making a report for another player. Unless things have changed since I have gone, you need to be a victim in order to make a report. Being the staff that handled it makes you no more qualified to make the report than a medic or a doctor who treated the marines ICly. If none of the victims have enough of a problem with the situation to make a report, then there is no reason for this to exist.

Now what the council will say about it is different, of course, but afaik that's separate from the report.

SolubleWhenWet · Post by **SolubleWhenWet** » 14 Nov 2018, 21:25

Speaking as a character witness via rule 2: I was acting as XO with Karmac's character as CO, in a round that's unrelated to the OP, but occurred today.

I had tried to intermediate between some marine-players and the liaison, they tried to offer suggestions to the plan but felt they were misrepresented and ignored; I was trying to remain positive, thinking this was merely his character being a bit of a hardass CO. I tried to speak with the CO myself, but I didn't feel like I could interact with them positively, me ending up simply trying to placate other players.
I tried to maintain a unified front to the marines, but the chain of command wasn't respected. He took the side of an LT over his XO, and the marines were very displeased by what they perceived as disrespect, which led me to speak with the CMP to consider a HC fax.
I couldn't get any sort of back-and-forth going with them. All things considered, I felt like I was roleplaying at him, not with him.

VortexGaming · Post by **VortexGaming** » 14 Nov 2018, 21:27

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Should be everything, from the looks of the logs alot of LRP going on here.

Karmac · Post by **Karmac** » 14 Nov 2018, 21:50

SolubleWhenWet wrote: ↑
14 Nov 2018, 21:25
Speaking as a character witness via rule 2: I was acting as XO with Karmac's character as CO, in a round that's unrelated to the OP, but occurred today.

I had tried to intermediate between some marine-players and the liaison, they tried to offer suggestions to the plan but felt they were misrepresented and ignored; I was trying to remain positive, thinking this was merely his character being a bit of a hardass CO. I tried to speak with the CO myself, but I didn't feel like I could interact with them positively, me ending up simply trying to placate other players.
I tried to maintain a unified front to the marines, but the chain of command wasn't respected. He took the side of an LT over his XO, and the marines were very displeased by what they perceived as disrespect, which led me to speak with the CMP to consider a HC fax.
I couldn't get any sort of back-and-forth going with them. All things considered, I felt like I was roleplaying at him, not with him.

Bro you literally tried to tell me I should just let the CL do their thing because 'it'd be profitable', naturally I completely ignored you because I have no respect for un-patriotic men. Later on when you had the CMP confront me, I questioned him on the fact as to whether or not we had a mutiny on our hands, he answered we did not so I cut off the conversation then and there, I had an operation to oversee after all, I'm a busy man and I don't have the time to please everyone. Ultimately I didn't even interrupt the CL's dealings after noticing them speaking in Alpha squad chat to the marines about something, and walked over to say it didn't bother me at all, the CL themselves had been far more diplomatic than you were anyways.

At the end of the day I don't really know what to tell you, it's not like I have to comply to your desire for role-play if I don't want to.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 21 Nov 2018, 00:41

I am aware of this but I'm also going to be out of town for a few days so I'll get to this in a few days.

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