Stevan34

[genjufens]

Your Byond Key:
Genjufens

Your character name:
Usually Zeke Fisher, in this case it was a hivelord.

Their Byond key:
Stevan34

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):
around 3:30AM Central TIme

Which Admin Protocols (http://goo.gl/fBUQGG) were broken:
0. NEVER ABUSE YOUR POWER
1. Remain Professional, no matter what happens.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

I was a hivelord nearing the end of a round and I just ran from a group of 4+ marines the queen had just been killed by one of many rocket blasts. we had got a hugger on a marine and the only other alien that I knew of died near me which was a spitter. I grabbed the marine and ran thinking this was likely the last infected and headed for an area of the save which we had not been using, but I hoped would not be looked at because we had not built there and I did not want to die. After managing to build a nest and placing the marine there I was messaged by Stevan34 and this person informed me that I was to stop carrying the marine. When I asked why he said it was dead and to not prevent cloning. I informed them I did not know this marine was dead but that I will leave them there then. I was then told to pull the dead marine out of the nest and that I am not to prevent cloning. I was very angry at this point which is why my screenshots show the beg. of the next round. I had to go back and take the screenshots so I do not have pictures of my location. I apologize for that. We were near the destroyed ship next to the temple when I started pulling the marine and I stopped in the spherical cave area just to the northeast of the temple. This experience really pulled me out of the game as being told I am trying to stop marines from being cloned when I am just trying to survive felt like to me they were trying to just end the round since by pulling the marine out of the area I was quickly shot with a rocket launcher and killed and then the round ended. According to Steven34 I need to check any marines pulse before I pull them and that is a not something I read in the rules. If I am wrong on that, I apologize, I just re-read it now because I don't want to post about the person if I have no grounds to do so, but this really got me frustrated enough to actually post and that is rare. There was a special event that Stevan34 was setting up for the next round, at least according to stevan in OOC chat is was going to be a marine vs pmc round. Which they mentioned once the looby for next round came up. That did not help my feeling that they just wanted to end the round quickly and I shortly closed my Byond client application afterwards. Here is the link to the two Imgur pictures I took which the text area and the date/time stamp is likely the most important: http://imgur.com/a/RoFtq

How you would punish the accused:

Honestly, I just want to not be accused, and then when I say that I didn't know and apologize, get chastised for it. While I would hope and want to hope that Stevan34 was just following a policy that sounds like something you are having trouble with in game and want to crack down on, It just felt like they wanted to end the round quickly with the way they they went about telling me. Most specifically, "Learn to check pulse and don't nest dead marines to prevent cloning". This statement really made me feel like I am not playing something fun, but something where people inherently distrust me even when I let them know my intentions. Rather than a punishment, perhaps you could put it in the rules that it is necessary to check the pulse of a marine before pulling if that is indeed the case. In the past there have been rules which were not on the rules page yet, but were just starting to be enacted like the ripleys were briefly. If that is the case then having it in the rules would have made this whole thing be a non-issue. Thank you very much for your time.

[Stivan34]

I said there was a marine vs PMC event. But i did NOT say i would do it, Also i told you to leave it somewhere for marines to see it and drag it.

[Adjective]

I persomally do not see anything outstandingly wrong here. However, I do not encourage an alien to check a pulse as it is not the most RP casual thing for an alien to do.

Second, Admin+ alone are able to do events, and that is if there is a vote first. We'd need more context about the event situation, specifically because he might have just been reminding people that an online Admin was doing an event.

[Lostmixup]

Well, I looked into the logs and found the exact ahelps:

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[03:26:21]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Leave the marine

[03:26:48]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): As in walk away from him?

[03:26:52]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Its dead

[03:27:03]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): And you dont know about cloning

[03:27:25]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): Alright, well I had no idea he was dea, im jsut trying to stick infected in nests

[03:27:36]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Get him out

[03:27:43]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): It prevents cloning

[03:28:39]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): are you serious? I didnt know he is dead and I assume i am the last alien yes? Are you really saying I pulled him to keep from cloning? I will pull him out but I am going to leave the game and not come back...that is just not a nice thing to do

[03:28:59]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): So is preventing cloning

It looks like you overreacted to what stivan was saying. He never said you were pulling to keep people from cloning, he was just saying "hey stop pulling him around and don't nest him because you might prevent him from being found and being cloned" (which would've been a much better way to say it). It simply looks like this is a case of misunderstanding the other persons intent.

Pulling bodies around and nesting dead bodies is NOT against the rules; however, doing it with the express meta purpose of preventing cloning is. I think he should have watched you more and seen if you were nesting dead bodies more than once rather than messaging you on the first nest because there was no way to tell if you were doing it for a meta/powergame purpose or not.

The only thing I'm confused about is this event, I didn't see any indication that anyone would be doing an event the whole prior round, all I saw was Stivan saying there would be one. If anyone could elaborate on this that would be great.

*Looked into it further, no admin was preparing an event so I'd like some explanation there.

[Stivan34]

Well, I looked into the logs and found the exact ahelps:

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[03:26:21]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Leave the marine

[03:26:48]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): As in walk away from him?

[03:26:52]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Its dead

[03:27:03]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): And you dont know about cloning

[03:27:25]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): Alright, well I had no idea he was dea, im jsut trying to stick infected in nests

[03:27:36]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): Get him out

[03:27:43]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): It prevents cloning

[03:28:39]ADMIN: PM: Genjufens/(Hivelord (825))->Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624)): are you serious? I didnt know he is dead and I assume i am the last alien yes? Are you really saying I pulled him to keep from cloning? I will pull him out but I am going to leave the game and not come back...that is just not a nice thing to do

[03:28:59]ADMIN: PM: Stivan34/(Alien Larva (624))->Genjufens/(Hivelord (825)): So is preventing cloning

It looks like you overreacted to what stivan was saying. He never said you were pulling to keep people from cloning, he was just saying "hey stop pulling him around and don't nest him because you might prevent him from being found and being cloned" (which would've been a much better way to say it). It simply looks like this is a case of misunderstanding the other persons intent.

Pulling bodies around and nesting dead bodies is NOT against the rules; however, doing it with the express meta purpose of preventing cloning is. I think he should have watched you more and seen if you were nesting dead bodies more than once rather than messaging you on the first nest because there was no way to tell if you were doing it for a meta/powergame purpose or not.

The only thing I'm confused about is this event, I didn't see any indication that anyone would be doing an event the whole prior round, all I saw was Stivan saying there would be one. If anyone could elaborate on this that would be great.

*Looked into it further, no admin was preparing an event so I'd like some explanation there.

I said a marines vs PMC event existed, But didn't say there would be one on that round.

[Lostmixup]

Alright, I see where you're coming from. In general I think stivan just needs to work on communicating things better then. Besides that there doesn't really seem to be an issue.

[genjufens]

As far as the event is concerned, I only am going by the 3-4 minutes i was in the next lobby and when I stated he was making the event, that was only on a basis of them being the one who was telling everyone there was an event. That part was not nearly as important to me, though as a moderator in test I see why you guys checked into that so much. Considering how late it was, the fact that I was an hour out of a 12 hour work shift, and the fact I had about 3 hours of sleep prior, I am willing to admit I could have overreacted to the request, but it really does pull you out of the game when you get a staff PM. This whole time I expected at most a short talking to stevan in response, thats it, I just don't see a forum post area for reporting a staff member for something small. Thank you for your quick response though and have a nice day. I need to get to work. I still think I will likely take a break but that is not you guys problem that is my own.

[Allan1234]

Situation Handled.

The staff member in question has been removed from staff for reasons.

Awaiting lock/close

[Lostmixup]

locked and moved.