Neray

[Garbage]

Your Byond Key: FrenziedVorcha

Your Character Name: Arthur 'Double A' Altmann

Accused Byond Key(if known): Neray (Nersay?)

Character Name: None. Player meta'd as a ghost.

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Approximately 6:40AM (4/14/16*)

What rule(s) were broken: Meta gaming.

Description of the incident: The player looc'd and convinced two marines who had been accused and arrested for willful desertion to break into the bridge and kill me for access my id as a BO did NOT have. When the two unidentified marines, who had just been released by an MP who disobeyed a direct order from the only command staff (Me) to hold them for the duration of their punishment and gave them her ID and weapons back from confiscation for deserting the USCM, broke in to bridge and said "We outnumber you" I shot at them and got gunned down. The player then threatened to get me banned with a "fun forum thread" in looc. When I asked why he was doing this in looc because even *I* as a BO couldn't message CC in any way he said "Don't lie to them ffs you CAN fax CC with your id". The two marines then searched through bridge for a way to message CC as a BO, which there was none, one of them collapsed and had to go to medical for bullet-from-skull removal surgery. The surviving marine went down to the CL office and found that I indeed was honest when I accused them of murdering me for nothing because my ID has no access to the areas with fax machines, then left my corpse to rot in Bridge and put me out of the round by going SSD and getting my ID stripped from his body when it was put in cryo.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): No logs, but the player of Nea Tomsen was a witness to this.

How you would punish the accused: A ban for meta gaming and ganking. No idea of the length because I'm not a mod/admin

* added as an edit because I whoopsied

[Feweh]

Who are the players who broke into the bridge as well? They deserve some form of punishment as well, mind you they were being perma-brigged so it seems... so them trying to arrest you/detain you isn't completely ridiculous.

However, Neray deserves a few day ban... This account name sounds very familiar to me, I just can't remember who the player is.

[Garbage]

I wish I remembered, but after I arrested them I took their ID so the last time I saw them they were "Unknown" and I was a very dead BO

[Derpislav]

Was one of them Michael Chodes? I have the ckeys and I'll pass them to the investigator taking this.

[Garbage]

Yes, I believe one of them was because I had a previous issue with him during a "diplomacy round" with the aliens. In that round I tried to arrest a doctor and Chodes handed him a rifle because, in looc he explained, "The round is derpy anyways". After I shot the doctor for aiming an M41A at me, chodes gunned me down and SAS had to admin revive me.

[Silentium]

Yes, I believe one of them was because I had a previous issue with him during a "diplomacy round" with the aliens. In that round I tried to arrest a doctor and Chodes handed him a rifle because, in looc he explained, "The round is derpy anyways". After I shot the doctor for aiming an M41A at me, chodes gunned me down and SAS had to admin revive me.

Well, as a doctor you described above, I can say that it was your fault, since 30 seconds prior to our little showdown you were running around unloading your pistol at me for calling Jesus black, in front of the other marines. I mean, they could've surely held you on the gunpoint themselves, but I really can't see any rule violation here, considering your LOOC screams "NUUUUU, DOCTORS CAN'T HOLD RIFLES!" afterwards. And that you (and me) have got revived anyway.

[Garbage]

Firstly, why are you making a quote if it's not a literal translation of what was said but instead a paraphrase with heavy alteration in your favor.
Secondly, why are you posting on a report to clarify a sidenote if you were not a witness to the core portion of the report.
Thirdly, I said IC that you were not allowed to have that rifle, and I also said in LOOC because that is a legitimate rule. This was not after the fact it was during the fact the moment you were handed the gun.
Fourthly, no that's not the reason I did that so please don't lie. I shot at you because you were antagonizing diplomatic relations continuously after being escorted out by marines several times and shooting the alien queen with a toy gun (Even as a toy, only a human would realize it was a toy and not some strange weapon) You were a civilian intentionally trying to aggro the aliens into killing marines.

[Silentium]

Firstly, why are you making a quote if it's not a literal translation of what was said but instead a paraphrase with heavy alteration in your favor.

Don't be that sulky bureaucrat, it was pretty accurate interpretation of what you said. No "shifting things in someone's favor" included.

Secondly, why are you posting on a report to clarify a sidenote if you were not a witness to the core portion of the report.

Since you're posting this situation as a reason to get Michael Chodes punished, I have the right to post here too, as a witness.

Thirdly, I said IC that you were not allowed to have that rifle, and I also said in LOOC because that is a legitimate rule. This was not after the fact it was during the fact the moment you were handed the gun.

Whenever it was, that statement you made in LOOC was ridiculous, since you clearly tried to gun me down with a pistol seconds ago. It was a legitimate self-defence.

Fourthly, no that's not the reason I did that so please don't lie. I shot at you because you were antagonizing diplomatic relations continuously after being escorted out by marines several times and shooting the alien queen with a toy gun (Even as a toy, only a human would realize it was a toy and not some strange weapon) You were a civilian intentionally trying to aggro the aliens into killing marines.

First of all, "severely beaten and then handcuffed to the chair outside the medbay" is not equal to "escorted out".
Secondly, don't exaggerate things, I WAS NOT trying to aggro aliens. I was merely trying to get you all some fun during that boring powwow.
And finally - did you really get that mad only because I was drunkly stuttering into your tape recorder and, well, ate a sandwich you gifted to the alien queen?


Nevertheless, I'm sure that Chodes was innocent in this particular situation.

[Ordukai]

Just a couple of things I noticed about your post, Silentium:
Please don't strawman your opponent by misquoting them. That makes things more complicated for everyone. A direct quote would even let us figure out when that situation occured, which is really handy.

Also, when you say you were "Trying to get you all some fun during that boring powwow" (<-That's how you quote, btw <3), do you mean you were trying to derail whatever diplomacy was going on to cause chaos?

And finally, how do you know that Chodes was innocent in this situation? If you weren't actually a witness to what the original report was about, and don't even have any evidence/anecdotes to back you up, you shouldn't make such statements. It makes your argument weak and look weak :P

This report is about a Ghost using LOOC to convince players to murder another player, not about the incident you had with the victim beforehand. To keep these two investigations clear and separate, please make your own player report in another thread if you wish to pursue this event.

[Silentium]

Also, when you say you were "Trying to get you all some fun during that boring powwow" (<-That's how you quote, btw <3), do you mean you were trying to derail whatever diplomacy was going on to cause chaos?

N-no-o-o?..

And finally, how do you know that Chodes was innocent in this situation? If you weren't actually a witness to what the original report was about, and don't even have any evidence/anecdotes to back you up, you shouldn't make such statements. It makes your argument weak and look weak :P

I'm not talking about the incident stated in OP, of course, I wasn't the witness of that. I'm talking about the situation between me, Altmann and Chodes, which Vorcha DID mention as the reason to punish Chodes.

This report is about a Ghost using LOOC to convince players to murder another player, not about the incident you had with the victim beforehand. To keep these two investigations clear and separate, please make your own player report in another thread if you wish to pursue this event.

Nah, I'm good with the consequences. I was just surprised when I saw that Vorcha actually brought up this little misunderstanding as the argument.

[Ms.Degrasse]

Guys? Come on... I am still appaled by how a silly joke escalated into this at that time.

I was there - being precisely the MP mentioned above. (Erika 'Hunter' Degrasse)
So I will put here what happened in my point of view, as a witness and participant on the act.

Read this carefully, admins.

On this round, xenomorph costumes were spawned on the briefing room.
The commander in charge (BO) ordered all personell to wear them.
Some marines complained, and he ordered me to arrest them.
- At this time, I as taking the entire situation as a joke. I even dressed as xeno.

Marines came with me to brig, whithout resisting.
The typical punishment for not following orders ranges from 5 minutes to more on serious issues.
5 to 10 minutes of roleplay in brig? Hurts no one.
- But after a while, I noticed the commanding officer configured the lock to hold them for 30 MINUTES.

As far as I know, MPs are who enforce marine law. -And must disobey an order thet is against the marine law.
"Commander obligating marines to use a silly costume (that probably had no value as protection) instead of adequated armor, and punishing them HARSHELY for not complaining?"
- For my character, a person that is exactly as she is in her dossiers, this was a good reason to enforce a law by righting a wrong.
There is a marine law against doing stuff like this, putting the others in danger and being negligent.

I waited for more than 5 minutes, but I released them before the time expiring. (It seemed reasonable to me.)
And told them something like "command was acting weird and senseless, so I am going to release you".

I don't remind details about the conversation, but I remember the marines told me that they wanted to send a FAX to USCM, to have that officer demoted.

I was more for them to go down to the planet, but I agreed with their fax plan instead. I helped them on it.

- All of this, as far as I know, involved no server rulebreaking and was a properly roleplayed situation due to the context of obvious inneficiency of a costume as a armor and abusive brig time.

Then they went to bridge. And came back crippled ( One of them requiring surgery. )
I took this guy to medbay.
The other appeared to be feeling bad for what happened. And logged off. (Leaving his char SSD on brig).
And - more or less at that time - suddenly an unknown person LOOCed a message to my character, talking about the incident on bridge and stuff about "they threatening to put a forum post reporting him". (Probably it was the author of this post.)

Finally, after doing some things (like cryoing the SSD guy and checking on the injuried one) I realized the situation went seriously wrong when I noticed the BO wasn't anymore on radio.
I checked the bridge.
But I hadn't much to do as the BO was dead in bridge and his body was souless. (It was apparent to me that he had shot that marine and killed himself after some time, by the injuries I could notice.)

I really feel sorry that this escalated into a senseless conflict.
I thought they would be able to send a fax, since we are supposed to use it in case of a demotion, and had no means to know this stupid gunfight would happen for nothing.

And i didn't noticed anyone else LOOCing in the brig, during the time I was there with the marines.
(If that happened, it was in other place. Probably after they got released.)

Well, I hope my testimony help you to sort it out.

[Garbage]

Finally, after doing some things (like cryoing the SSD guy and checking on the injuried one) I realized the situation went seriously wrong when I noticed the BO wasn't anymore on radio.
I checked the bridge.
But I hadn't much to do as the BO was dead in bridge and his body was souless. (It was apparent to me that he had shot that marine and killed himself after some time, by the injuries I could notice.)

Uh no. My death was not self inflicted. Please don't say "It was apparent to me that [...] killed himself" if you were not there and don't know the actual events. It's unreliable witness testimony and not what happened. I was gunned down by the marines and you couldn't see the other damage because that armor I had was pretty good despite being a joke.

Additionally, no they weren't charged with just resisting orders. I asked them if they were deserting the USCM and they went "Yeah we'd rather do that than wear this stupid armor." So they didn't just disobey orders they flat out said they would choose to leave the marines entirely than wear the armor.

[Feweh]

Reading all this really shows a failure in Command. While no rule breaks really took place.. there was definetly some incompetence involved.

Which kind of plays into the Command job-ban I gave.
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[TR-BlackDragon]

since no investigator is handling this report i shall look into it.

[TR-BlackDragon]

so as for the original purpose of this report. There was no Meta communication via Local OOC from Neray. The only thing he said in Local is this.

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[06:18:22]OOC: (LOCAL) Werner Diels/Neray : That guy just earned a good thread on forums.
[06:18:23]OOC: (LOCAL) Unknown (as Arthur 'Double A' Altmann)/FrenziedVorcha : you also can't fax CC anyways
[06:18:24]SAY: Edgar Pindell/Szunti : I will start repairing the generators.
[06:18:33]OOC: (LOCAL) Unknown/AeroJounin : you shot first
[06:18:47]OOC: (LOCAL) Werner Diels/Neray : > you can fax CC btw
[06:18:47]OOC: (LOCAL) Unknown (as Arthur 'Double A' Altmann)/FrenziedVorcha : Yep, when two unidentified soldiers broke into the bridge and claimed to outnumber me
[06:18:56]OOC: (LOCAL) Unknown (as Arthur 'Double A' Altmann)/FrenziedVorcha : You can't Neray. Even *I* can't.
[06:19:08]OOC: (LOCAL) Unknown (as Arthur 'Double A' Altmann)/FrenziedVorcha : Unless you have XO or CO id you can't message CC
[06:19:17]OOC: (LOCAL) Werner Diels/Neray : > any bridge access ID in fax, choose CC as target, insert paper
[06:19:54]ACCESS: Logout: Neray/(Werner Diels)

This report is found to have no reason to issue any warning or punishment based on the orrigination of this report. This thread is now locked.