Bill Carson

[Skycave1]

Your Byond Key: Skycave1

Your Character Name: Jim 'Twitch' Sanders

Accused Byond Key(if known):Fitchace

Character Name: Bill Carson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results):I'm guessing around PM 5:50-PM 6:45. ((I don't know exactly))

What rule(s) were broken: Don't be a dick, Metta-grudging, Maybe a few more?

Description of the incident: The round started like any usual round, everything went fine and all that. I chose to be an SL and got snagged as Charlie SL. I got geared, armed, and what not, then headed to briefing. Over comms I heard Bill Carson was a BO. After requesting to take field command and keep order on the ground, I specifically requested for Carson to not be my BO, knowing conflict will happen between us. Insults were thrown because he didn't like that. After the insult fest, I went down with Charlie and Bravo in the pod. ((Whole other BS thing happened with idiot opening the shutters and everyone but a few flying out, that was delt with I think)) After we landed and set down, I went and ordered who I had to start fortifying the area, and building the FOB. Asked them to do this, that, and this. Carson got on my case for taking a bit long setting up. We just had conflict when we touched down, so some wait was needed.

Skip ahead to the issue, We are in the FoB it's being built, and it's holding just fine because Delta is up at hydro getting attacked. Over command chat I hear that my squad has 0 wounded, out of our 14 men. Delta called over command for support, and I told command if I could send some troops up. Delta BO gave the Ok, saying they need it. I said, "Can I get four Charlie marines to move to hydro and assist Delta on a retreat!" Carson says, "No, scratch that" And other command no go quotes each time I request it Then I call to the CO himself saying if we can get the A-OK to support Delta, he's like "Yeah do it." I try again, saying "CO's Orders" Then Carson says "No, Delta is gone!" To then I claim he's a liar then asked command. They said Delta was fine, and they need the support. At this point, my brow was twitching, and my squad didn't know what to do. I said fuck it and moved away, not listening to Carson. I take my helmet off so he doesn't see, because he'll get a hissy fit if he see's where I am. I see Delta, with 4 barely combat effective marines, dragging 4 to 5 marines. I got mad and started to tell Carson off. Then he tells the commander about my insubordination, to get me arrested. They say yeah sure. In which Alpha was sent to arrest me, and subdue me. I ran because I knew I did nothing. Alpha tried using Lethals on me because I ran. I didn't fight back, because I know how a 1V4 will end. I get stabbed, then shot, trying to hide. BY ALPHA. I Ahelped that Alpha was attacking me, but I got no response, so I got a bit angrier. I snapped and went up.

I was in the wrong for snapping, because I made my way up to command and tried to kill Carson. Out of rage, but I shot Benjamin Werry, and my Charlie medic killing them. I didn't get to Carson because he hid. Admins asked for the story, I told them my part, then He told his. TR-Blackdragon at the end, said "You two keep away from eachother, I want little to no contact, until you settle things." Along the lines at least. I told him that would Never happen, and they understood. Surprised I wasn't banned honestly.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): The new Trialmod, and TR- have the proof most likely. I wasn't able to get anything for proof.

How you would punish the accused: That is all up to staff, not my decision.

[LocalizedDownpour]

I was the one everything from Jim's side. As the Delta Spc...we were completely fine until we started pulling out, honestly Jim's team saved our ass so I'm kinda glad he came. That aside.

I feel bad I missed the ahelp about Alpha as I would have squashed that there, but seeing as I didn't it led to this.

I spoke to Jim personally, I warned him, and I'll make a note as soon as I find out how.

However. Bill Carson has come up ALOT as far as command goes so...I dunno. I'd also have logs but I'm not sure how to grab them from the server as it stands.

[Fitchace]

Jim I have no problem with you and this report makes me sad to see.

I never insulted you, as I recall you immediately called me a pedophile at briefing start, which is kinda harsh. Even the command staff made a comment about your attitude.

I was given specific orders for charlie squad to hold telecoms area, and you kept trying to move your squad out to help Delta. Then you were approved to send 4 men to help with Delta.

I was literally about to cancel the insubordination thing, but you just had to announce that you don't report to me.

There was tons of staff on and if there would of been any sort of punishment it would have been given out during the round, and I will respect TR's judgement to cease all in game contact with you.

[TR-BlackDragon]

I didn't ban you because you don't have a history of griefing. I will be assigning an investigator to investigate the issue.

[forwardslashN]

I was in alpha when this all went down. I don't know why Jim was thought to be deserting, but the orders to detain him came from Benjamin Werry (XO), not Bill Carson. We found Jim in tcomms, and I didn't get to see the rest since I had to step away from the game for a few minutes, but he did try to get us to listen to his side of the story. I thought it was weird that a guy deserting was standing in the FOB though. I have a recording of the encounter, but it's not much.

[Skycave1]

Your general attitude seems like an insult, you have no loose leway when playing. It seems stupid, and so what? An in character wise crack. THat's what Jim is known for at times.

YOu called for insubordination AFTER I said fuck it and made men move up. When you gave the A-OK after lying about Delta being gone I had already sent 5 marines to support Delta.

It's fucked up that you had to lie about Delta's death so I'd stay! Ever hear of sending backup. You claimed insubordination as I walked to the nexus checking on Delta. I wasn't listening because I knew with whatever response I'd give, you'd make a BS response, about not following orders. Ever hear about letting someone do what they feel, and not following your A1-1 orders that all would end the same. If you didn't halt all my orders to HELP, Less of the Delta force would have been wounded.

Like WHAT HE FUCK!

[TR-BlackDragon]

I can say that the revoke of reinforcements was a bad call. As I was there helping them when that battle went down...... 3 carriers and a ravager and 3 spitters..... was one heck of a fight

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Going after Carson to kill him in revenge is easily the biggest infraction in here. The fact that you killed two marines to get to him further adds to that.

[Fitchace]

Well Jim in a situation like that you could of just said to me "screw you" to me and taken your entire squad to go help Delta. It sounds like it was a good call, you wouldn't have broken any server rules and you would have been the hero for saving them! No one would have listening to my insubordination request at all. Dude its all RP, stop taking it all personally. Imagine if I took everything personally I experience on CM....anyway Jim I really don't see any rule breaking here, and I'm sorry I caused you to make a mistake to shoot up the bridge, please let just move on.

[Skycave1]

Going after Carson to kill him in revenge is easily the biggest infraction in here. The fact that you killed two marines to get to him further adds to that.

I do admit I was in the wrong for Killing the XO and a Charlie medic. The medic got caught in the crossfire, and the XO shot at me.

[Skycave1]

Well Jim in a situation like that you could of just said to me "screw you" to me and taken your entire squad to go help Delta. It sounds like it was a good call, you wouldn't have broken any server rules and you would have been the hero for saving them! No one would have listening to my insubordination request at all. Dude its all RP, stop taking it all personally. Imagine if I took everything personally I experience on CM....anyway Jim I really don't see any rule breaking here, and I'm sorry I caused you to make a mistake to shoot up the bridge, please let just move on.

I did send troops up to help, but What you said about delta being dead. YOU DO THAT SHIT AND IT'S FUCKING STUPID! Delta was saved by the men willing to break your shit command.

[BeyondMyLife]

First of all, Carson, stop being a kiss ass, second of all, you were obiviously in the wrong, and trying to kiss up to the admins, and LYING to them, is extremely inconviencing, I suggest you administrators check the logs to call Carson out on his bullshit, I rarely come here, but thats blatantly kissing your ass.

[Fitchace]

By all means, I would like to see the amount of insults I said about Jim and what horrible things I said to him. The meta grudge applies to Jim with his toxic remarks about me he makes every round beginning I make.


Jim and I were friendly once

[LocalizedDownpour]

I can say that the revoke of reinforcements was a bad call. As I was there helping them when that battle went down...... 3 carriers and a ravager and 3 spitters..... was one heck of a fight

Delta and Bravo fought their hearts out...a moment of Silence....


In seriousness though I think this was handled wrong on both sides?

Jim admits even in his opening post what he did was wrong, it was a hotheaded response, then again it seems like Alpha was out for blood, and you should never send marines to force marine law. This should have been handled on the Sulaco when Jim came back. Not diverting an entire squad to capture one man for calling a name. I might be wrong but generally you should take a almost backseat approach to leading FROM the Sulaco as SL's typically have more info...think I read that in a guide. REGARDLESS...

[Skycave1]

By all means, I would like to see the amount of insults I said about Jim and what horrible things I said to him. The meta grudge applies to Jim with his toxic remarks about me he makes every round beginning I make.


Jim and I were friendly once

I wouldn't say 'friendly' I'd say neutral, but with EVERTHING you do.. I might take things a bit MUCH, but can't you use a bit more common sense?

[Fitchace]

Whatever Jim lets just see what the investigator says. You made this report for a reason so lets see what comes out of it

[BeyondMyLife]

More ass kissing, just like when you came onto the server I administrate on last night and attempted to phoron grief, and sabatoge the engine, I'm not afraid to get banned from the forums on calling you out as a subtle griefer. This seemed more like very sloppy blatant grief, Localized, he's done this bullshit before, and I know you guys have seen it, what I don't understand, is why you are letting it happen, yes, he's a living meme, and no Skycave wasn't friends with Bill Carson, ever. you can ask Skycave himself on that. You need to deal with this ass kissing subtle griefer, before he gets out of hand, it's unbelievable how much your letting some people get away with on this server


((Edit, I administrate, back in the day I used to be headmin, Due to habits of the past, I refer to it as such sometimes))

[BeyondMyLife]

Standby for more asskissing, or an attempted roast by the living meme Bill Carson.

[Skycave1]

Standby for more asskissing, or an attempted roast by the living meme Bill Carson.

You mean a failed roast, cus He burnt it too dry.

[BeyondMyLife]

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Well then google.

[coolsurf6]

In all seriousness, lets just wait and see what evidence they can gather. I recommend just closing this page and waiting about half an hour and coming back to see something useful and not "asskissing" or "roasting" cause that shit is not needed in a report!

[BeyondMyLife]

Cool, it's Carson, he's not useful at all.

[TR-BlackDragon]

Alright enough. End the argument now. I don't want to see anymore.

[NoShamNoWow]

Yea, I suggest we lock the topic TR and let the logs do the talking, its just starting to be a "Roast of Carson" right now.

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

This discussion is no longer relevant. All the points have been made. We will wait for the investigator to determine a result.

Locked until further notice.