Player complaint - Henry "The Myth" Walker and Shaniqua Jefferson

[Lorenzo_The_Marauder]

Your Byond Key: Lorenzo_The_Marauder

Your Character Name: Lorenzo "Italy" Medici

Accused Byond Key(if known): N/A

Character Name: Henry "The Myth" Walker, Shaniqua Jefferson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 6:30 - 7:30 Central

What rule(s) were broken: Griefing (Both) Lethal force (Shaniqua) Mutiny without admin permission (both) Id theft (both)

Description of the incident: I was the XO at the time, and i got a report from the CE that the CMO (Henry) had stolen the CO's Id (who had just gone into cryo btw) I track him down and attempt to search him, he runs away for a bit and turns up later. He gets searched, no Id on him. The CE tells us to search research since there was the possibility of the CMO passing the Id off to the researcher (Shaniqua) to avoid getting found with it. We storm into research (Me, the CE, a BO and an MP) and search Shaniqua. Low and behold they actually had it on them, the second after we get the id. Shaniqua tosses a polyacid grenade into the crowd of five or so people, hurting everyone, melting several objects and killing the CMO. We arrest Shaniqua and take the CMO to medbay, after discussing it with the MP i decide to order an execution. I followed execution procedure, listed the reason for, location of, and type of execution. So i drag Shaniqua into the briefing room, and the CMO, and a survivor Rex Lombardi attempt to help Shaniqua escape. Cue another yakety sax chase sequence, and i get Shaniqua back into the brefing room, Lombardi tried to kill the MP and the CE so they were both in medbay getting patched up and the CMO Henry is nowhere to be found. The CMO comes back, sticks the BO, myself and a marine with anesthetic injectors, after that Henry whispered "Mutiny bitch" before uncuffing Shaniqua and dragging her off towards the canteen. They come back and Shaniqua is holding a revolver, she shoots me in the head six times while i'm still on the ground, killing me before dragging my body to the mourge and cremating me. The MP and the CE corner the two in research, the round ends and Shaniqua puts another six revolver rounds into the CE. (Shaniqua was already banned for that hence why i didn't add it to the broken rules)

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Several witnesses, including Coroneljones who was present at the time, but could not prosecute the two as he was involved in the situation. (As the CE)

How you would punish the accused: Permanently ban Henry, Permanently ban Shaniqua. (and if they ever got that appealed, permanently job ban them from researcher)

[Lafaundah]

Lorenzo, I was banned (24hr) for end of the round grief. Not for killing the CE, (who geared himself in marine armor and an m14 and attempted to kill both me and the CMO) but for continuing to shoot him after marines had won the match. I hadn't noticed the bright red text in chat and shot him a few more times when the ban notice came up.

As far as everything that transpired during the round, everything we did was considered role play, including me killing you. The CMO did drop the Commanders ID off by research to use on the exosuit fabricator, but grand theft is hardly punishable by a permanent ban by the server, especially since there was a RP reason for the event. You could say this warrants a job ban or a short server ban for the CMO, but that would be up to the admins.

Also, I did not in the least bit do any harm to anyone without a valid roleplay reason, getting repeatedly beaten by the CE and sec while taking my gear off for no reason, seemed like a perfectly valid reason to set off my smoke grenade, which is not deadly (unless your repeatedly getting beaten by sec, which the CMO was after the grenade went off). Me killing you was a perfectly valid RP response to the situation, it was not grief nor was it random. There were many people (including myself) that professed against my execution based on weak claims, it appeared as if a mutiny was getting ready to start. When the CMO knocked you out I took this as a perfect chance to kill my executioner and attempt to take control of the station from my killers. I don't see in the least how this is random griefing. Everything that transpired during the round was an escalated RP situation, and hardly warrants banning of any kind.

[Warnipple]

I was the only MP online during this round.

From an RP perspective, I see no reasaon for the CMO to steal the CO's ID and mutiny. He could've asked for an access upgrade.

I see no reason to set off a polyacid grenade in a room full of people other than the intent to harm everyone in there. The room had several bridge officers, the XO, the CE, the CL and myself an MP. If you intended to resist arrest then you could've ran instead of setting off a clearly deadly weapon.

I see no reason for the survivor to help the researcher either. The survivor shot me to crit for attempting to arrest Shaniqua after someone, most likely the survivor, helped her escape execution.

[coroneljones]

I was there at the CE,I will lay down my view of the events

The CMO steals the CO´s ID,They asked if they could borrow it earlier,he was replied with no,I see him come from cryo so I followed him to research,lo and behold,The Commanders ID,I report the theft,he runs off.
We search him,I say we should search Research,While the MP and XO search research and the survivor that was in there,I take the initative to search the Researcher,who attempts to run,but remains in research,After I attempted to remove their backpack,they throw the grenade at the liason,and it stays there for a bit,And then it sets off,spraying acid everywhere,POLY ACID,If I remember the logs.

Queue me running after the researcher,who tried to make a run for it,beat them once and keep stunning them with a stun baton,wich I got earlier with the XO since the CMO was running off and the MP wasnt handling the case,probably AFK.


The CMO tries to help the researcher,massive bruising from the acid I do belive,he dies after both are arrested.

I remove the Researcher´s Backpack,Revealing the Commanders ID in it,and pass it off to the XO who heads to cryo to put it on the Commander.

The Researcher is moved to briefing to be executed,after its announced,Queue Lombardi and the CMO going there a bit after,he feeds the researcher Hyperzine,and the manhunt continues.
Lombardi later pulls out a cleaver and beats the MP and a BO to near death with it,and here I was nearby trying to stun him with a baton,later beating him since I ran out of charge,and the researcher gets free

I Continue the usual CE works,heading for engineering to space the Body via disposals(Lombardi´s),The Execution of him being authorised I belive,but he was already dead,and here I heard the CMO and researcher are rogue,I see them arm up in the armory,the researcher with a Magnum,and later I heard the XO was dead,to wich I ask the RO to assist me in getting a weapon for self defence,he assists me,I get a Rifle and Armor,assisting the MP in handling the "Mutiny" and Murderers,to wich we track them down to research,I attempt to end them once and for all with the rifle since they were also using lethals,the CMO using a taser to stun and then letting the researcher kill,I get tased and shot a bit,Round ends,and the Researcher keeps shooting even after a while,wich results in their EORG ban


So to Recap:
-Unauthorised Mutiny
-ID theft
-Attempted Mass Murder
-And Murder

[Lafaundah]

Your recap contains scenarios that were escalated via roleplay (and I would dispute attempted mass murder). I don't see why this would be dealt with through admin action, possibly resulting in bans. The theft of the commanders ID by the CMO could potentially result in a job ban, but nearly everything else should be dealt with through in game roleplay. I had heard Henry speaking of mutiny and many people were trying to help me escape from lorenzo, I thought this would indicate that a mutiny was taking place. After reading the rules regarding mutiny I wasn't aware of the ahelp rule to authorize it, but I didn't start the mutiny nor shout it out, I simply went with the tide of what was occurring. Also, I cannot see the lack of roleplay in killing someone who has physically assaulted you and is trying to get you executed via firing squad.

In my opinion the round was very fun, I don't see why lorenzo has to try and get me permabanned for actions that are completely valid on a medium roleplay server.

[Feweh]

0 reason for the poly acid grenade and stealing the ID.
As well, the illegal mutiny was not acceptable.

Considering CJ had front row seats to this i will discuss with him later and bans will be handed out.

[Lafaundah]

CJ was there the entire time and the only ban he issued was the EORG. I don't understand why extra bans would be needed if an admin was already there witnessing the whole thing. Any form of perma for either me or the CMO is pretty extreme especially on a medium RP server. The most you could pin on me would be stretching RP with the polyacid grenade (But even then a warning would suffice completely). But good lord, I've had tons of things done to me on CM and never thought to try and get someone punished unless the player was randomly griefing or causing disturbances for no reason. The MP's and space law should be used for escalated role-play, not the admins.

I know the tables turned on you lorenzo, but jesus man its just a game, try to have some fun.

[Feweh]

Often times you dont get the whole story or view of the situation till after.

CJ most likely wasnt aware of the entire events that lead to everything.

[Lafaundah]

If he was jack knight, the CE, he was there just as much as the lorenzo. But I'm just here to give my side of the story; I apologize it had to escalate to this. Honestly I do love CM and feel the need to defend myself against any potential punishment I would classify as harsh. If any part of my behavior you felt didn't hold up to RP standards or was out of line, you can be assured you won't see that behavior again from me.

[Lorenzo_The_Marauder]

You committed a crime, and then tried to kill everyone that was trying to bring you to justice. You wordlessly killed me and the CE, and you constantly were bitching in common that your punishment was unfair. I would hardly consider any of this good roleplay, and attribute it more to hippie levels of greytide.

Stop trying to defend yourself when you are clearly and completely in the wrong.

[Lafaundah]

You committed a crime, and then tried to kill everyone that was trying to bring you to justice. You wordlessly killed me and the CE, and you constantly were bitching in common that your punishment was unfair. I would hardly consider any of this good roleplay, and attribute it more to hippie levels of greytide.

Stop trying to defend yourself when you are clearly and completely in the wrong.

I had committed no crime until I was getting randomly searched and had a baton pulled on me. Regarding your death and the CE, I don't have to restate what has already been said, if that wasn't valid roleplay I have no idea what is. Also, committing a crime in game is not punishable by a ban if the crime was initiated and escalated via role play. Server rules are set up so that people don't randomly grief for no reason. Theres no point in getting the admins involved for things dealt with by space law and MP's.

Additionally, I am not "completely in the wrong". If what happened was true griefing, the admin present at the whole situation would of given a ban for that reason. If another admin doesn't feel the actions taken were appropriate for the RP situation, a fair warning would suffice, but a permanent ban as you suggest is highly extreme. I could point out your reasons for ordering an execution and a threat to execute anyone who interfered with the firing squad, but I really don't care to haggle with benign RP issues. Theres a clear line between random grief and escalated roleplay, so just try and enjoy the game and don't get bent out of shape when the tables turn against you.

[Feweh]

After looking into this and speaking to CJ the following people will be punished.

Henry "The Myth" Walker

Sleep Injectors to sleep multiple people, releasing a prisoner, ID Theft and assisting in murdering multiple individuals.
Essentially, he did the EXACT opposite of what a CMO should be doing during the round.

Job Ban and 3 day ban will be applied.

Shaniqua Jefferson

Murdering a XO - Throwing Poly Acid grenades at fellow staff, starting/joining an un-authorized Mutiny and assisting with the ID Theft.

Job-Ban and 3 day ban will be applied.


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