Player Complaint: Victor 'Orbital' Kaipov

[TeknoKot]

Please don't try and fight me on here. I took a neutral stance.

If flinging as much shit as possible at a player is taking neutral stance, that's too kind of you, thanks.

The role of a squad leader is to relay the orders of higher up command to the marines on the ground and enforce those orders. When squad leaders decide that they are just going off to hunt random bad guys, even if they are bringing their squads, they are not following the orders given by command. Now this is not to say that SL's should be mindless drones. They should be personalized, even a little rebellious at times, but no one would ever be promoted to Staff Sergeant if they cannot follow orders.

Funny that you mention that, because killing something that keeps distracting you from following said orders(which I usually get defending the FoB) is that bad, then why don't we just allow aliens take FoB's over anyways?

Also, beyond the hyperbole of 100s of reports, command had little to know reports of this incident that were distinguishable from reports of xenos except for humanoid.

So you have to keep telling command what they do, what they eat and how they dress, instead of leaving a report that this type of enemy attacked you and that you're dealing with them now? Really now? If a marine gets attacked lethally, it's declared hostile, it's already reported and are about to be taken care of if seen or formed a team to deal with them.

Finally, I think we could all do to speak a little more kindly and with a little more respect for each other when it comes to more hot-button issues like this. Getting angry at each other is not going to solve anything. Maybe apply Feweh's new do unto others rule to bigger forum issues like this.

I think we can all agree on that one, but it won't fix the issue of so called "validhunting" and "powergaming", because this is a medium RP server after all, everyone's playing to win and for fun, and some people have fun hunting things such as predators to get their gear.

[Rahlzel]

Preds can go about doing what they do and hope for the best when they encounter marines at their OWN RISK.

This is my stance on it so far. It sucks when, as a Predator, you approach a group of marines with an intention to RP but get robusted instead. Then again, that's just a risk you have to take. The humans may have already met with a Pred that attacked them, or they want to shoot at anything non-human because they've already seen Xenos. That's a pretty normal mindset in my mind if I put myself in their shoes and even IRL. If you were an IRL marine landing in an unknown planet and you find out there's aliens killing people, you're going to shoot at every alien.

Yeah, it'd be cool if there was a bit of RP involved, but it's more of a privilege than a right under the circumstances.

On the flip side, we could nerf the SADAR or buff the Predator armor against SADAR rounds to prevent first-contact one-shotting.

[slc97]

I thought I talked a rather minimal amount of shit. I'm gonna go ahead and disengage from this one since my words are just gonna be misconstrued. This is straight up just an admin issue and I think Feweh's ideas are rather good on how to fix it.

[Sarah_U.]

My issue with that round wasn't really Victor or anyone when I stopped and looked at things like I do after each rounds. It was mostly the chances missed, and the fact I was bagged with every other predators on the spot. I was wearing slightly different attires and never partook in any fighting during the round mentionned... Although, even me as an Human I'd be pretty enclined to shoot / try to subdue something kicking my friend's asses.

For the powergame aspect, meh. Powergame is annoying and everything yes, but to me it's not really something that should be dealt with unless you're on a super-serious roleplay server where you're playing each actions and behavior. In the end, that's a game and people should abuse some of the mechanics if they're able, otherwise it'll be stale.
Sidenote: I still disagree with giving anything special to this or this marine though. They can push the boundaries all they like, first deployment should always be a standard deployment imo.

On this, I remain neutral and just thought to bring that insight and personal note. Victor if you want to roleplay whenever just hit me up in-game. Either with a SADAR or a few lines of text

[Xurphorus]

This is my stance on it so far. It sucks when, as a Predator, you approach a group of marines with an intention to RP but get robusted instead. Then again, that's just a risk you have to take. The humans may have already met with a Pred that attacked them, or they want to shoot at anything non-human because they've already seen Xenos. That's a pretty normal mindset in my mind if I put myself in their shoes and even IRL. If you were an IRL marine landing in an unknown planet and you find out there's aliens killing people, you're going to shoot at every alien.

Yeah, it'd be cool if there was a bit of RP involved, but it's more of a privilege than a right under the circumstances.

On the flip side, we could nerf the SADAR or buff the Predator armor against SADAR rounds to prevent first-contact one-shotting.

Im glad you as a host understand my logic, but I dont agree with nerfing the SADAR, its a One-shot weapon for a reason, its an RPG, the only Caste that should be tanking 1 or 2 shots is the crusher, taking away the only real effective weapon against armored targets is unfair to the marine playerbase. Buffing Preds that are ALREADY OP is also the wrong way to go about it. They just have to be mindful of what other preds do against humans, if a single pred causes trouble that means all the preds are causing trouble, just like if a marine kills a pred in combat that means all marines are held accountable. I have been in many rounds where a marine killed a pred in combat, not a duel, but in combat, and preds take it upon themselves to punish everyone related to that marine. Destroying defenses, ambushing marines, etc. Preds should just stick to lore, stalk their target and see if that target is worthy prey, or worth the conversation. I'll RP with a pred, but if I see a pred butchering a marine in front of me, he or she is getting SHOT, and I'll tell other marines to follow suit.

[TeknoKot]

On this, I remain neutral and just thought to bring that insight and personal note. Victor if you want to roleplay whenever just hit me up in-game. Either with a SADAR or a few lines of text

I barely can't understand why aren't you predators using your traps and powerful tools to trap marines and capture them, you're one of the powerful whitelisted players, yet a lot of you lot just walk up to marines like some alcoholic football fans asking for duels to see who's the strongest.

There's tons of players who want to feel like Dutch's team first time meeting a yautja, is it really that hard to bring that experience by running around, distracting them and killing/capturing one by one? You have speed faster than a runner.

[ParadoxSpace]

I barely can't understand why aren't you predators using your traps and powerful tools to trap marines and capture them, you're one of the powerful whitelisted players, yet a lot of you lot just walk up to marines like some alcoholic football fans asking for duels to see who's the strongest.

There's tons of players who want to feel like Dutch's team first time meeting a yautja, is it really that hard to bring that experience by running around, distracting them and killing/capturing one by one? You have speed faster than a runner.

A young runner, sure. We don't have tools meant for capturing. At least without them running away. We have tools for hunting Marines.

[freemysoul]

Personally, I think this is a big old he said she said argument. Is it powergaming to kill Predators? is it dickish to kill Predators? in my mind no, Possibly Metagaming to shoot a pred at first sight, but not powergaming or dickish. That's my own opinion.

[TeknoKot]

Personally, I think this is a big old he said she said argument. Is it powergaming to kill Predators? is it dickish to kill Predators? in my mind no, Possibly Metagaming to shoot a pred at first sight, but not powergaming or dickish. That's my own opinion.

I never attack predators unless they've heavily injured a marine, squad, or attacked the FoB, predators were just tired of me killing them to stop harassing FoB's and marine power when dealing with an actual threat, the xenos.

[Egorkor]

I'm on the phone now so the only thing I'm gonna say is can we please not fucking nerf or buff shit because of a IC problem. If you see a rocketeer, don't fuck with him, you can wait and single out your targets instead of rushing in, dying then bitching about the retarded thing you did. Not to mention a powerful enemy gives you challenge, are you afraid of a challenge? Well then, and don't even think of bringing up a "muh oneshot" argument because you have a fucking plasmacaster and a rifle. I'm sorry if I appear rude but you know, Noize has literally just unfucked the SADAR and now you want to mess with it again.

[Casany]

I'm on the phone now so the only thing I'm gonna say is can we please not fucking nerf or buff shit because of a IC problem. If you see a rocketeer, don't fuck with him, you can wait and single out your targets instead of rushing in, dying then bitching about the retarded thing you did. Not to mention a powerful enemy gives you challenge, are you afraid of a challenge? Well then, and don't even think of bringing up a "muh oneshot" argument because you have a fucking plasmacaster and a rifle. I'm sorry if I appear rude but you know, Noize has literally just unfucked the SADAR and now you want to mess with it again.

I think they don't want to mess with the SADAR, I think this is just a complaint

[Boltersam]

I'm on the phone now so the only thing I'm gonna say is can we please not fucking nerf or buff shit because of a IC problem. If you see a rocketeer, don't fuck with him, you can wait and single out your targets instead of rushing in, dying then bitching about the retarded thing you did. Not to mention a powerful enemy gives you challenge, are you afraid of a challenge? Well then, and don't even think of bringing up a "muh oneshot" argument because you have a fucking plasmacaster and a rifle. I'm sorry if I appear rude but you know, Noize has literally just unfucked the SADAR and now you want to mess with it again.

This is a little off-topic, but you know we mostly don't use either because we have an honour code that people seem to forget about a lot of the time.

[TeknoKot]

This is a little off-topic, but you know we mostly don't use either because we have an honour code that people seem to forget about a lot of the time.

Or you know, you can carry them just in case.

[Boltersam]

Or you know, you can carry them just in case.

The only times I've seen them used are when there's a swarm attacking a Predator, which is not common, at least, it wasn't last I checked.

[lucashunter608]

I barely can't understand why aren't you predators using your traps and powerful tools to trap marines and capture them, you're one of the powerful whitelisted players, yet a lot of you lot just walk up to marines like some alcoholic football fans asking for duels to see who's the strongest.

There's tons of players who want to feel like Dutch's team first time meeting a yautja, is it really that hard to bring that experience by running around, distracting them and killing/capturing one by one? You have speed faster than a runner.

Dude, you just said everything that had to say...i realy feel like the predators aren't exactly THE predators, big badass guys that use traps to capture and butcher their prey...they should be brutal, not going around and asking nicely for duels, they should capture their prey...make slaves, i've never saw a SINGLE predator using hellhounds, those should be an excelent tool to capture people, i realy feel that the code of honor should be changed, predators don't have their freedom to do much, i want to see them destroying the marines, stalking prey and so go on, not having some nice little duels, if i remember, that doesn't even happen in the movies at all, well you know, just when the cop guy in pred 2 was forced to fight with the predator for his life, and even that, he would have activated his bracer and would have killed many innocent people, i know CM got their own rules for predators, but they don't have the freedom to hunt

[Feweh]

Anyways.

Resolving this, will speak to Victor to tone shit down a notch.