Player Complaint: Aria 'Blue' Moretti

[outordinary]

Your Byond Key: outordinary

Your Character Name: Chad Elderson

Accused Byond Key(if known): No idea

Character Name: Aria 'Blue' Moretti

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results):19:50 August 1 2016

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 1, 10, 11

Description of the incident:

Long story short: Aliens pushed marines back to the sulaco, a researcher made supernades that cover a 9x9 or more area, slapped em on the sulaco before the console was touched, activated it after xenos boarded and launched up to the sulaco leaving nowhere to run and leading to the death of all aliens leading to a marine victory.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Image showing Aria as researcher



How you would punish the accused:

Ban for however much time. Second time this has happened apparently but different person.

[slc97]

Now normally, I really like Blue, but I believe it was just yesterday that I saw her blow all of research with a grenade while trying to test the timer. It might be time for a jobban until she figures out how to play researcher without powergaming or blowing up an entire department.

[ClearedObject]

Considering the aliens had pushed the marines back to the sulaco, I don't think that it would be that far fetched of an idea to turn the ship into a bomb. It is kind of dickish however. It kinda sucks for your salt though.

[oprayx73]

But i've had completely good relations with aria, the player. They had a completely IC fuckup with that one blown up lab, but that really effected no one except himself. Boo hoo.

[Nubs]

It was certainly a rude, verging on power gamey thing to do.

I was a dead marine and observed the whole thing. As soon as the marines had been pushed back, said researcher began making these (grenades? bombs?) Crucially, the bag of bombs was made and deployed on the shuttle before the queen even touched the console, making this in my opinion, a powergame. Cameras on the rasputin were used to observe the aliens, and as soon as shuttle touched down, the bombs were detonated, instantly killing 13 xenos onboard, and leaving one crusher alive. The researcher was able to used these bombs without fear, as they could not breach the hull while inside the shuttle.

However, i don't see any rules majorly broken... I think a warning not to do this sort of thing again (and perhaps a closer look at the way research grenades are being used) Is in order.

[EMT_321]

Let me add some context here.

The researcher had made a good 6 grenades beforehand as timer nades, but we couldnt get them to the ground troops because of no beacons. Hence we retrofitted them into remote-trigger grenades. We had originally planned to send the dropship down with grenades on it, as we had a camera installed. When the aliens swarmed in, we were going to detonate, thus killing aliens on the ground. You can check chat logs- this was firmly established. Command agreed to do this.

The grenades were not placed on the rasputin in expectation of them boarding- they were tossed on as a hail mary, all in one bag, because we were caught off guard. The original plan was to distribute explosives over the rasputin then send it down.

When the queen took it, the researcher detonated the nades as soon as they got a chance (I was next to a spare signaller, and heard them panic-spamming the button for a good minute or so).

Considering how the aliens had already boarded the sulaco before this plan was concocted by charging into the rasputin before it was called up, we IC could assume they wouldnt just lose interest in the LZ when the shuttle took off. Hence the idea to send it back down, boobytrapped.

Now normally, I really like Blue, but I believe it was just yesterday that I saw her blow all of research with a grenade while trying to test the timer. It might be time for a jobban until she figures out how to play researcher without powergaming or blowing up an entire department.

I've only seen them do good things and be a credit to the marine team. I'd be surprised if a researcher didnt blow themselves up at least once when learning.

[outordinary]

Let me add some context here.

The researcher had made a good 6 grenades beforehand as timer nades, but we couldnt get them to the ground troops because of no beacons. Hence we retrofitted them into remote-trigger grenades. We had originally planned to send the dropship down with grenades on it, as we had a camera installed. When the aliens swarmed in, we were going to detonate, thus killing aliens on the ground. You can check chat logs- this was firmly established. Command agreed to do this.

The grenades were not placed on the rasputin in expectation of them boarding- they were tossed on as a hail mary, all in one bag, because we were caught off guard. The original plan was to distribute explosives over the rasputin then send it down.

When the queen took it, the researcher detonated the nades as soon as they got a chance (I was next to a spare signaller, and heard them panic-spamming the button for a good minute or so).

Considering how the aliens had already boarded the sulaco before this plan was concocted by charging into the rasputin before it was called up, we IC could assume they wouldnt just lose interest in the LZ when the shuttle took off. Hence the idea to send it back down, boobytrapped.
I've only seen them do good things and be a credit to the marine team. I'd be surprised if a researcher didnt blow themselves up at least once when learning.

From what you are saying, It truly is the researchers' fault. Unless you are trying to say it was a command decision to place multiple 9x9 grenades in the rasputin. In which command would instead be at fault.

[EMT_321]

From what you are saying, It truly is the researchers' fault. Unless you are trying to say it was a command decision to place multiple 9x9 grenades in the rasputin. In which command would instead be at fault.

I fail to see how its anyone's "fault", as we had a plan to use pre-existing supplies in an innovative way, independent of the queen calling the rasputin. Our plan was to booby-trap the rasputin, then send it down to lure the xeno aboard it, and then detonate. When the queen called the shuttle down, we had to do it in a really half-cocked way. With one BO watching cameras and calling out the aliens boarding, then timing the explosion, this was an active plan on behalf of the marines, much like placing huggers on doors was a common xeno strategy. I dont believe a single marine was killed by this, so its certainly not griefing.

The tactic of trapping objects as a retreating army and luring enemies into them is not(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Cliffs) a particularly new one.

I would like to heavily emphasize that the plan to booby-trap the rasputin, and the preparations thereof, were made independent of any notion of the queen calling the shuttle.

[freemysoul]

This question I ASK a million times, They are GIANT murderous aliens, Why would you SEND the dropship or pod down and risk infecting the Sulaco if you knew the planet was fucked?

However, I digress. THIS is a minor metagaming offence between the BO, Walter Blanco and Researcher, Aria 'Blue' Moretti as they used meta-knowledge to setup bombs on the Dropship and send it down, Knowing the queen and aliens would swarm on to go to the Sulaco. A single alien going up to the Sulaco is NOT cause to jump to "oh the aliens must wanna come up all the time". If your NOT hundred percent certain a plan isn't metagaming, ahelp it. If the big red "queen has accessed said console" alert goes up then it's safe to assume your ok to do your dropship plans.

Suggested Punishment: Note.

Additional: Next time your IN game people and SEE something wrong, Ahelp it. That's LITERALLY what admins and moderators are there for, this area should be which it is a continued shitfest with a player or there is NO admins/moderators online. Staffwho and Adminhelp can save you ALOT of time people.

[Feweh]

Hmm.

This is obvious meta-gaming and extremely poor sportmanship as eradicating all the aliens on rasputing is pretty shitty.
Especially with mechanics such as insta kill bombs.... that have no place being on shuttle to begin with.

Jon-bans will be handed out as this is becoming an increasing issue with Research nades.
Ill sort this out later tonight.

[slc97]

I've only seen them do good things and be a credit to the marine team. I'd be surprised if a researcher didnt blow themselves up at least once when learning.

Don't get me wrong, I've normally only seen Blue do good things as well. Unfortunately, that does not excuse any meta/powergaming.
While I really like Blue, she doesn't always play by the rules. I once saw her leave the ship to fight xenos when she was XO and there was no CO, for instance.
For this instance, I'd just suggest a temporary jobban until she figures out a bit more about research.

[EMT_321]

used meta-knowledge to setup bombs on the Dropship and send it down, Knowing the queen and aliens would swarm on to go to the Sulaco. A single alien going up to the Sulaco is NOT cause to jump to "oh the aliens must wanna come up all the time"

I apologize if I was unclear; the plan was not to bring the Rasputin up to detonate, but instead to detonate the grenades on the ground, as the xenos had already demonstrated they were hanging around the LZ and hunting Marines. It was then readily assumed if an empty shuttle went down, they would crowd on to try and find/kill whatever Marine went down on it, thus netting some kills via remote explosives.

I entirely agree with and understand that if the grenades were just sitting there waiting for the queen to make a call, it would be metagaming to an unprecedented level. However, that was not the (at least stated) rationale from the BO and researcher.

Does the player whom the complaint is about have a forum account?

[Feweh]

I apologize if I was unclear; the plan was not to bring the Rasputin up to detonate, but instead to detonate the grenades on the ground, as the xenos had already demonstrated they were hanging around the LZ and hunting Marines. It was then readily assumed if an empty shuttle went down, they would crowd on to try and find/kill whatever Marine went down on it, thus netting some kills via remote explosives.

I entirely agree with and understand that if the grenades were just sitting there waiting for the queen to make a call, it would be metagaming to an unprecedented level. However, that was not the (at least stated) rationale from the BO and researcher.

Does the player whom the complaint is about have a forum account?

But none the less, the result ends up being the same.
Knowing the original intent had failed the grenades/bombs should of been aborted because it ended up being a "bomb all aliens on rasputing" meta issue.

Considering it was remote triggered with security cameras that were mentioned had been installed there was no excuse for this.

[outordinary]

But none the less, the result ends up being the same.
Knowing the original intent had failed the grenades/bombs should of been aborted because it ended up being a "bomb all aliens on rasputing" meta issue.

Considering it was remote triggered with security cameras that were mentioned had been installed there was no excuse for this.

Exactly, which brings up another issue, if no building is to be done on the Rasputin, why build security cameras on it?

[EMT_321]

Exactly, which brings up another issue, if no building is to be done on the Rasputin, why build security cameras on it?

I wasn't responsible for the security cameras (nor anything but bringing the spare frags to the researcher, really) but I think those might have been on the rasputin previously so that command could see the LZ. Not 100% sure on that, but they were existing quite some time before the rasputin was rigged to blow.

[Feweh]

Security cameras are kind of an iffy thing.
We allow them, but you cant say "ALL ALIENS ARE COMING UO TO SULACO" just because you see them on it.

The only indication at all that aliens can come to Sulaco is when the queen uses the console. Doesnt matter if 5 runners come onto sulaco beforehand, you see them on cameras or theres a marine nested on the shuttle telling people by radio.

[slc97]

So in the current game that is happening right now, Dr. Arianna Moretti has suggested to drop down a thing of explosives on the shuttle to blow up any aliens that come onto the shuttle. If this is the same player as Aria Moretti, which seems pretty much the only possibility. I believe a jobban is absolutely in order as they are suggesting once again an extremely power/metagamey solution.

[Feweh]

So in the current game that is happening right now, Dr. Arianna Moretti has suggested to drop down a thing of explosives on the shuttle to blow up any aliens that come onto the shuttle. If this is the same player as Aria Moretti, which seems pretty much the only possibility. I believe a jobban is absolutely in order as they are suggesting once again an extremely power/metagamey solution.

Ill deal with this tonight.
However, if it happens again... post it here.

[EMT_321]

Security cameras are kind of an iffy thing.
We allow them, but you cant say "ALL ALIENS ARE COMING UO TO SULACO" just because you see them on it.

The only indication at all that aliens can come to Sulaco is when the queen uses the console. Doesnt matter if 5 runners come onto sulaco beforehand, you see them on cameras or theres a marine nested on the shuttle telling people by radio.

Makes absolute sense- the way I took the metashield in place is that in no way shape or form can you prepare a defense on board until the queen touches the console.

[Sarah_U.]

Can I deploy 4 forceshields on each sides of the shuttle so we can lock down the aliens and put a bomb in here? No? Well this post resolved itself pretty quick. It's super anti-sportsmanship to make it a shuttle-land bomb, even more when you consider the dropship comes with electronics, fuel, they have acid, mix all these and hangar may've been vented if it wen't baddly.

Just randomities, but generally... Hangar building was stopped for a reason. This falls within that reason of why and also falls under the "Don't build in hangar" rule imo.

[Feweh]

If you guys want to bomb the hangar will start allowing aliens to breach Sulaco like they use to.
It's the same shitty concept always implemented by the same type of power-gamey players.

Someone will investigate this shortly and gather all those involved.

[Feweh]

After investiating this, ONLY player aria will receive a job-ban.
Resolved.

[Actuallythatguyyeah]

Alright, I play as Moretti and after being just pointed to this thread in a jobban I thought myself obliged to chip in and throw a couple pointers.
In no way I am willing to discuss the ban, in retrospection it seems appropriate, although I'd argue whether permaban is required.

First of all I supplied marines with 9x9 grenades (or so I assume the explosion range) for almost entire round, lack of employment of those to be blamed on marines or cargo, then again I had Bravo leader giving me the props and asking for more.

Secondly I used dissection of dead xenos as an RP excuse to tell their abilities, including high hive intelligence, which more or less (definitely less) could lead to assuming they would be able to use console.

Third, RO suggested I would put proximity-triggered grenades on board the shuttle, and while it seemed like a good idea, I requested an MT to put cameras on the shuttle so I could use remote grenades which would be triggered when requested by command staff. The alien queen called the shuttle when I was installing explosives leaving me with the choice of abandoning project or leaving what I can on board and hope for the best, in which I chose the former.
The results are known, thee grenades decimated the hive an led to an extraordinary human victory. I did wait for shuttle to be as near dock as possible to get as much result as possible from the explosion.

The issue with my behavior I've presented was when, on another round, I suggested from start to end installing cameras and remote explosives on the drop pod, a meta-like acts which deserved an admin reaction considering my previous victories (call it infractions of rules all you want, I'm proud of it.)

I'll omit mentions of sportsmanship, as for this server boldly claims being a medium-RP place and screw me sideways if I'm wrong but but war aint no sport.
Aliens are already winning most of games and I'm glad to see or make happen a human victory that isn't a result of xenos being absolutely retarded for once.

Edit: Also the grenade blowing up in RnD was my fault while trying to fix grenades having wrong timers and accidentally triggering one. Shame, shame indeed.