Bombed by M.O.T.H.E.R

[username123]

Your Byond Key:Locoloco3001

Your Character Name: I was playing as Saul Carson that round

Their Byond key:Feweh

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results):

Arround 11:40 pm, today.

Which Admin Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:

I don't know if Feweh did this by accident or if he purposefully did this, but im assuming the worst, which is abuse of power.

Description of the incident:

40 minutes in the round, i was with my squad north of hydro and south of the river becase we were told to scout the colony, some other people was with us establishing a fob in medical when another squad fixed the thermal engine and all the colony was illuminated by the floodlights, we scouted nexus, cargo, fitness, science, hydro and medbay looking for survivors (and we found one in nexus that was being attacked by a crusher which i killed with another marine) an thats why we were there (north of hydro and south of the river) waiting for the orders of command, seconds after, mother reports that it's going to bombard the rived and it tells us to stay south of the river, i stay right where the a floodlight is to wait till the bombardement finished and then i get bombed, twice. The medic heals me and send me back to the sulaco where i get my hand and head fixed. Points are:

1-) We never rushed north of the river, we were there when we rescued a survivor and scouted 60-70% of the colony, waiting for orders.
2-) I was not in the river or north of the river before or after mother announced about the bombardement, and as far ans i know, i never put a foot in the river.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

http://pastebin.com/ca2VBAwe

The important parts of the logs are when i say "PFC Saul Carson says, "Do not cross" Seconds before the mother announced:

"M.O.T.H.E.R. Status Update

Attention - Sulaco Bombard firing.
Remain south of the river."

Which was something that i told my squad not to do when they were near the coastline, this and something that Talon Focell said over looc:
"LOOC: Talon Focell: did they mean stay on the NORTH side? Because I never fucking crossed" can serve of evidence of me telling the truth, but just in case, you guys can ask Talon, which im assuming was one of the victims of the bombardement, because it looks like he got bombed too, even when he stated that he never crossed, just like me.


How you would punish the accused:In case he purposefully did this, then i think that the best would be to warn him not to do it again.

[Gentlefood]

Some insight into the round. Marines landed and immediately set up FOB in Medical Dome, neglecting both Nexus and Engineering other than to get the power on. They then posted 4 squads at the river. This all occurred less than 40 minutes into the round.

Marines then proceeded across the river after shooting at a few random stray xenos, or so I am led to believe. They were then ordered back by staff online at the time AND by their own command to remain south of river. Instead marines marines decided that "South Enough" of the river meant standing literally on the shore embankment and/or in the water itself. This led to another warning which went ignored and then the MOTHER bombardment of the river.

So instead of manning up and dealing with the fact that instead of being banned for a blatant rule break they were simply punished IC they have decided to make a salt fueled admin report. So I guess I'll turn this around on its head. Why should we not ban you for metagaming, ignoring staff warnings, and then making a false complaint?

[Egorkor]

Some insight into the round. Marines landed, Alpha was to setup the power and the rest went scouting. When bravo - my squad - arrived at the medical dome we saw charlies treating wounded and trying to hack shite, two marines were outside and were getting fucked up by spit and gas. Some 'stray aliens' was infact a crusher who was at the medical dome and got blown the fuck out. Given that almost every time it's the aliens' fault for setting up at the river, leading marines there, luring them in to attacking then bitching about it, I assume it happened this time aswell - especially with boilers and spitters hammering down on us, not to mention the fortifications at the mining dome which aliens had. Eggs too. A lot.
Around four marines then proceeeded to cross the river but were immediately called back by myself and other people, not to mention the OOC warnings. Then the bombardment thing started, which took out two marines that were on our bank, one of them was three (3) tiles away from the water thus he wasn't fucking crossing. Far as I know they weren't healed. Other marines remained on the colony side as per orders, and so they remained htere until the 45 minutes mark and the allout alien assault that got repelled.
So instead of cracking down on the player and labeling every complaint as "salty" even when infact there might have been mistakes on your part such as careless bomb range setting/aiming - and even then I believe a simple heal up, or even a fucking apology, explanation, whatever, to the players whose rounds you ruined outta the blue would most likely do the magic trick, why don't we talk this out some more. I as a player am okay with that shit, because marines crossing the river early was indeed bad - so they retreated. I'm not okay with the fact you immediately call him a rulebreaker, threaten him with banhammer and brand him a salty toxic bad player, which is basically what happens in staff complaints threads.
Though I believe you'll say I am salty too, even though I wasn't even hit, and lock this thread just like all the other complaints, am I right.

[Gentlefood]

Some insight into the round. Marines landed, Alpha was to setup the power and the rest went scouting. When bravo - my squad - arrived at the medical dome we saw charlies treating wounded and trying to hack shite, two marines were outside and were getting fucked up by spit and gas. Some 'stray aliens' was infact a crusher who was at the medical dome and got blown the fuck out. Given that almost every time it's the aliens' fault for setting up at the river, leading marines there, luring them in to attacking then bitching about it, I assume it happened this time aswell - especially with boilers and spitters hammering down on us, not to mention the fortifications at the mining dome which aliens had. Eggs too. A lot.
Around four marines then proceeeded to cross the river but were immediately called back by myself and other people, not to mention the OOC warnings. Then the bombardment thing started, which took out two marines that were on our bank, one of them was three (3) tiles away from the water thus he wasn't fucking crossing. Far as I know they weren't healed. Other marines remained on the colony side as per orders, and so they remained htere until the 45 minutes mark and the allout alien assault that got repelled.
So instead of cracking down on the player and labeling every complaint as "salty" even when infact there might have been mistakes on your part such as careless bomb range setting/aiming - and even then I believe a simple heal up, or even a fucking apology, explanation, whatever, to the players whose rounds you ruined outta the blue would most likely do the magic trick, why don't we talk this out some more. I as a player am okay with that shit, because marines crossing the river early was indeed bad - so they retreated. I'm not okay with the fact you immediately call him a rulebreaker, threaten him with banhammer and brand him a salty toxic bad player, which is basically what happens in staff complaints threads.
Though I believe you'll say I am salty too, even though I wasn't even hit, and lock this thread just like all the other complaints, am I right.

The eggs and fortifications were not put there until after the marines started their assault the second time.

The player in question making the complaint was in the river itself. Literally in the River. After multiple warnings. I do not know how much more clear that can get in terms of rulebreaks. So while some marines might have been splashed near the riverbank unintentionally I do not know. But the player in question is in no way shape or form in the right.

It should also be noted that part of the issue isn't simply ignoring warnings, but also the entire marine force rushing the river and remaining there before 40 minutes into the round. Let me reiterate, the entire marine force was at the river at 40 minutes. A single crusher should not warrant that if true, the LZs were unguarded, engineering was extremely lightly defended.

[Egorkor]

The eggs and fortifications were not put there until after the marines started their assault the second time.

The player in question making the complaint was in the river itself. Literally in the River. After multiple warnings. I do not know how much more clear that can get in terms of rulebreaks. So while some marines might have been splashed near the riverbank unintentionally I do not know. But the player in question is in no way shape or form in the right.

Noted, but that doesn't change the fact the other player who was on our bank and was not doing anything that'd warrant him getting blown to pieces was blown up. When I asked why, and when I requested a healup for him since, you know, what the flying fuck was that, it was disregarded it seems, because the corpse was dragged off and I've never seen them again. I believe that also pertains to this complaint since it's related to the very same situation.

[Gentlefood]

Noted, but that doesn't change the fact the other player who was on our bank and was not doing anything that'd warrant him getting blown to pieces was blown up. When I asked why, and when I requested a healup for him since, you know, what the flying fuck was that, it was disregarded it seems, because the corpse was dragged off and I've never seen them again. I believe that also pertains to this complaint since it's related to the very same situation.

While he was an unfortunate victim of circumstance, the punishment was for the entire marine side for rushing the river with their entire force 40 minutes into the round. The bombardment of the river was not to punish a few players but the marine team as a whole for their metarush. With that in consideration, he wouldn't and shouldn't receive a heal.

[coroneljones]

I was present, as soon as the marines landed, they rushed hydro and medical, taking a quick time to heal those that got injured on their way there and then they rushed directly to the river, I remember delta and charlie already there, bravo and alpha soon joining.

They were at the river at the 3...4 or 35 minute mark, already probing the few xenos that were in mining defending the hive from the calls of "Hosts crossing the river", then you were warned to stay on your side of the river, some did, others didnt follow that order, boilers came in soon after same as fortifications, it was around the same time the bombards happened, marines still kept walking either on the edge of the river to shoot xenos, or in the middle of the river.

The marines waited at the river waiting for the time to "legit rush", they left the nexus and LZ1 undefended, engineering had some defences I think, possibly not, the lights only came on by the time the marines were already at the river if I remember it right, or after.

[Feweh]

Meta-Rushed.
Warned numerous times.
Player was in the river.
Ignored said warnings.
Was hit by bombs due to warning.
Makes invalid salty complaint.

[Egorkor]

While he was an unfortunate victim of circumstance, the punishment was for the entire marine side for rushing the river with their entire force 40 minutes into the round. The bombardment of the river was not to punish a few players but the marine team as a whole for their metarush. With that in consideration, he wouldn't and shouldn't receive a heal.

Consider what I said above, then. The part where I said that almost every time marines metarush it's the aliens' fault. If the marines'd want to metarush they'd do it immediately postlanding, no breaks, no stops. Does that happen? No. Does alien runners leading a group of marines to the hive and not say, leading them to somewhere else, then get a fullon frontal assault and bitch about it happen? Yes.
So with that in mind, are you sure it's the marines who were supposed to be punished? Perhaps the aliens were at fault and they got their own IC punishment in the form of marine skirmish that they could fight off with ease because they had three crushers, boilers, carriers, hunters and a mature ravager, and as such they'd not be blown the fuck out by a marine attack immediately, which is the point of that metarush rule?

Regardless, whatever's done is done so I ain't gonna argue over that shite more. I've said what I expect as a player from the staff team that's the face of this server I love, though I don't want to sound demanding or shite like that. I get that you people deal with shitters daily, and that the greytide's just left, but there're players that aren't at fault, so when you treat them like the usual meme cunt for a single mistake on their part, that's not good, now is it.

[Gentlefood]

Consider what I said above, then. The part where I said that almost every time marines metarush it's the aliens' fault. If the marines'd want to metarush they'd do it immediately postlanding, no breaks, no stops. Does that happen? No.

Actually that's more or less exactly what happened. The entire marine force moved to the Medical/Hydro River area within 4-5 minutes of landing. I didn't see any marines outside of that area save 1 escorting a survivor onto the Rasputin.

Marines set up EVERYTHING they had on the River for what? A stray runner? A single crusher? None of that makes any in character sense. Especially since Runners would dart off into the Western Jungle not the river to escape. There were no marines captured prior to the mass fortifications on the River. Nexus literally had no defenses, Engineering had a handful of girders which didn't really protect anything.

While you may not see the entire marine force preparing for Trench warfare on the River as a Metarush, does it not seem odd that for a Search and Rescue OP the marines would prepare like its WWI and away from their own LZs?

[username123]

Yeah, i suppose that labeling all staff complains, reports, or diferent opinions as salty is within the rules of "remain professional". Next time i get bombed for something i have not done i will just remain silent and not talk about it on the forums, because if i do my thread or post will be labeled as salty and all my credibility will be nullified :^)

Anyways, i don't know why you all are arguing about this while we can solve this today if someone investigates the logs. We will not solve this by just arguing without showing facts, i showed my logs and i belive i gave enough evidence and everything needed to solve this, you guys can start by asking the player Talon Focell, one of the "victims" of the bombardement about what happened that round, i already said that i didn't cross the river and i showed evidence of me telling my squad not to cross the river BEFORE mother made the announcement, i have never been banned or warned for metarush, and i will never be banned for that because i play by the rules, the only times i've been banned was when i started playing in the server and i didn't know the rules from top to bottom.

Something that i've noticed is that staff members take reports like if they were personal attacks, they are not, at least not from me, im only reporting this because i was punished by being bombed for something i never did (crossing the river) and i didn't know if it was an accident or not, but by looking at what Feweh and Gentle are saying, it's clear that they in fact bombed me and they are assuming that im making this because im "salty" about what happened, well, let's hope we get an impartial investigator so we can have a final verdict for this.

Also Feweh, answering to your last ahelp http://puu.sh/ribDc/796c187370.png i really don't need luck, all i have to do is tell the truth, my side of the story and hopefully get an impartial investigator, i guess that making player reports for you is a game of chance, let's hope it's not.

[Feweh]

You were in the river/on the sandy bank and hit by a bomb
Its as simple as that.

No one went out of the way to bomb you, lets not be ridiculous here.

You made this report trying to potray that you were specifically targetted, you were not. This is a salty report, as you were wounded from ignoring warnings so you as usual came to complain about it.

None the less, you were also warned for meta-rushing by numerous staff and IC ways. Instead of taking admin/mod action, we used IC means to keep the marines at bay.

This is a very stupid report, as you and numerous players broke the server rules. You were warned, ignored the warning and ended up wounded due to YOUR ignorance.

[Gentlefood]

Something that i've noticed is that staff members take reports like if they were personal attacks, they are not, at least not from me, im only reporting this because i was punished by being bombed for something i never did (crossing the river) and i didn't know if it was an accident or not, but by looking at what Feweh and Gentle are saying, it's clear that they in fact bombed me

I did not bomb you. As a moderator I do not have access to the bomb verb. What I do have access to is my personal knowledge of the round and the events that transpired prior to the bombing. This is not about punishing individuals, this is about punishing a side due to continuing mass rule break. While we could have given out multiple bans or warnings for the behavior instead we opted for an IC response. If you would prefer in the future in instances like this we could simply ban all the offending players who break the rules, however this would lead to a mass depopulation of the marine side and likely lead to more complaints.

Ultimately you feel like you are being targeted. I have been informed that you were either in the river or too close to it and thus you were given damage IC. Regardless of if that is true or not, the fact stands that the entire marine team was being punished for metarushing the River. You were caught in the line of fire either due to your own actions or your teammates actions. If you were hit by bombs dropped in the river chances are you were too close. We did not jump to bombing marines instantly either. There were multiple OOC and IC warnings given to the marine side which all went ignored.

[Sarah_U.]

Imo it can be a report about the degree of punishment put into it. A bombardment will cripple marines and effectively put them out of the round at times, sleep would force them to draw back somewhat.

Maybe that's the point here, to complain about the degree of punishment, but even then marines shouldn't make their BASE OF OPERATION inside a far-out location... To my regrets.
Idk, I'm placing an insight here as imo the complaint is valid only on that term. Otherwise, marines should try to pull aliens past the shore when such warnings occur so they don't get punished by it.

[Feweh]

Imo it can be a report about the degree of punishment put into it. A bombardment will cripple marines and effectively put them out of the round at times, sleep would force them to draw back somewhat.

Maybe that's the point here, to complain about the degree of punishment, but even then marines shouldn't make their BASE OF OPERATION inside a far-out location... To my regrets.
Idk, I'm placing an insight here as imo the complaint is valid only on that term. Otherwise, marines should try to pull aliens past the shore when such warnings occur so they don't get punished by it.

We never mass sleep, simply because it causes a lot of IC problems. IE; xenos attack the sleeped marines and drag them off, which causes a bigger conflict.

Generaly when there is a mass rule-break involving a large portion of the playerbase we punish them VIA IC means.

[TR-BlackDragon]

I'm still looking into this. But it seems to me it's becoming more and more a trend of marines rushing to the river and camping just below the river thinking that that is an acceptible place to meta-rush the aliens from. I'm going to say that due to this new trend we are looking into going more in depth for that rule seeing how people are trying to find a grey area in the rule set. Once I get home expect a responce on this issue shortly after.

[Jay Burns]

Uh just to say I was present in the round, the CO told the marines around 3-4 the times to get away from the river, so the bombing was justified in every sense.

[TR-BlackDragon]

OK by doing some log diving, Ive found that the bombs were droped in the river.

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[12:41:43]GAME: Explosion with size (1, 2, 3) in area Central River 

So if you were hit by the bomb, that means that you were in or so close to the water you may as well of been. So, command ordered everyone away from the river, Yet everyone stayed around the river even you, even after the mother announcement. So either A, You just didnt care or B, You were possibly looking for a reason to try and get someone in trouble. Now I'm hoping that its the first one. It wasnt as if you were bombed with out warning. There was a clear warning of the bombing of the river for the marines. Two warnings in fact, wait no three, There was one stated via OOC by one of the staff, Which ok you may have missed that, but then there was an actual command announcement from your CO, or XO telling you to leave the river, then when that went ignored Staff stepped in to keep things ic instead of banning half the server by making a mother announcment saying there was going to be a river bombardment. Clear statement on what was going to happen,

So Im finding this as holding no actual proof of abuse of power. I am finding that this report is closed unless more information is brought forward proving what i have just stated to be false or if apop or rhalzel wish to step in.

[username123]

I was within the red square when the bombardement occured because my squad was behind some tables and barricades that were being built by an the squad engy at the blue line, when i heard some explosions, i wanted to move south of the jungle walls, but then i was hit by a bomb that knocked me unconcious, i think that bomb was aimed directly at me becaus my screen went white when it blew, while i was unconcious, i got hit by another bomb and i was put to crit, till a medic dragged me inside medbay where i was treated, and then medevac'd to the sulaco mecause my head and arm was broken and i had a low blood level. I was not in the river, not even in the coast line, only way a bomb like you described could have hit me is if exploded at the dirt (not coasline tiles) tiles that are south of the river (which is not the river).