Massive boost to M39 accuracy.

[Derpislav]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): It can't hit shit. Not only it's "will it hit the mob on the tile it passes" accuracy is far worse than can be excused by about anything, it's burst-fire deviation means you might not hit a wall from 3 meters away even with all accuracy attachments. Actually tested. The grip adds so little accuracy it's more like a mockery.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): Making it a reliable weapon, because a gyroscoped M4 outperforms it in every aspect, INCLUDING ACCURACY.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Overall much better accuracy. Also, the grip should have a HUGE modifier because it sacrifices the gun's only advantage - being one-handed. M41A is known for kicking like a horse on steroids. By that comparison, two-handed SMG should never miss. Meantime it misses more often than an unmodded M4. ???

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Toss some values around.

[Heckenshutze]

m39's are crap. don't use them. They made it shit on purpose.

[YungCuz]

Pretty sure it isn't ment to be shit on purpose.
Some things just need some adjustments. +1

[Joe4444]

m39's are crap. don't use them. They made it shit on purpose.

no...this is wrong on so many levels. They are meant for people who aren't meant to be in active combat.engis(even though they should take a shotgun or something) medics(unless they feel like gyroing a M41A/shotgun) or used as a secondary weapon by grunts,SLs and specs. You can still win 2v1s with them. I've done it before and I'm shit when it comes to combat.
they aren't purposely made shit.They aren't meant as a go-to weapon but more of a "oh shit I've lost my primary with none in sight and the enemy is closing in on me" type of gun.

[Heckenshutze]

They aren't meant as a go-to weapon but more of a "oh shit I've lost my primary with none in sight and the enemy is closing in on me" type of gun.

A.K.A 'Shit' . Marines fight xenos, not humans. m39's are shit againts xenos. You can do what you said above with the pistol if we're talking about a shoot-and-run tactic.

[Biolock]

I could potentially see the burstfire accuracy being improved, that'd make sense. However, the single fire accuracy of a pulse rifle should be equal if not greater.

[Boltersam]

I could potentially see the burstfire accuracy being improved, that'd make sense. However, the single fire accuracy of a pulse rifle should be equal if not greater.

What Bio said. The SMG should be more accurate when burstfiring, especially with mods. It's weak, it shoots fast, but it needs accuracy to make the speed count.

[Joe4444]

A.K.A 'Shit' . Marines fight xenos, not humans. m39's are shit againts xenos. You can do what you said above with the pistol if we're talking about a shoot-and-run tactic.

except SMGs have bigger clips,faster ROF and much more.only thing pistol has over it is the fact it can be stored in a lot more spaces than the SMG.

[Bigchilly]

Put a RDS on a M39:

Witness how it goes from Peice of Bloody Shit

Too a ...

Slightly Dangerous SMG of Little Death

OT: Use a RDS or foregrip and make it fucking miles better, the RDS actually boosts the accuracy to be slightly better than that of the pulse rifle.

[Eenkogneeto]

I ran a Silencer and RDS with no other mods on a m39 and missed roughly 60% of my shots on a stunned t3 not even a full screen away from me (Around 5 tiles)
I'm sure it was observational bias but it seems useless when even a goddamn HOLDOUT pistol is more reliable than it in terms of exerting DPS in a short period of time.
+1 to buffing it, Its the worst secondary and its supposed to be the worst primary.

[MrJJJ]

I gotta admit its preety shit, i never use it, and i always discard it when i spawn as a PO to grab a shotgun or something else that isint shit

[Karmac]

Put a RDS on a M39:

Witness how it goes from Peice of Bloody Shit

Too a ...

Slightly Dangerous SMG of Little Death

OT: Use a RDS or foregrip and make it fucking miles better, the RDS actually boosts the accuracy to be slightly better than that of the pulse rifle.

Might wanna pay attention to what the original poster wrote in, this has already been tested, and the accuracy is worse, don't try to play me like a god damn fiddle.

[Karmac]

except SMGs have bigger clips,faster ROF and much more.only thing pistol has over it is the fact it can be stored in a lot more spaces than the SMG.

Oh and the pistol can actually hit the target your clicking on.

[Eenkogneeto]

Pistol by default has a decent firerate probably comparable damage and the biggest reason its better than SMG: Its accurate
Pistol belt also holds extra ammo unlike SMG belt (I think?)

[Derpislav]

Yep, SMG belt holds only the SMG.
And pistol deals almost twice as much damage as SMG.
Pistol is superior even with it's 1/4 ammo capacity at this point.
What the fuck.

[Bigchilly]

Might wanna pay attention to what the original poster wrote in, this has already been tested, and the accuracy is worse, don't try to play me like a god damn fiddle.

With all my experience a rds makes a gun always better, i don't understand how a rds makes a gun 'worse', either way see it as you will I guess.

I mean i understand comparing a rds on a pulse rifle to a rds on a smg but: Code wise i don't understand how it would make it worse.

[forwardslashN]

I've done tests on this, seeing how there's a topic about it. Here are the facts:
1. The M39 has only a little less accuracy than the m41 on average, though it does spray and pray more with burst.
2. The M41 has only a little less accuracy than the m39, on average, with a gyro. It also shakes your screen.
3. The m39 with a grip has about the same accuracy, on average, as the m41. But it becomes two handed.
3. The M4A service pistol does less damage than the m39. Twice as much, huh..?

With that in mind, the M39 is not supposed to be as good as the rifle, unmodded, and it's not. It doesn't have great accuracy, nor does it do a lot of damage, but it has a good magazine size and quick fire rate if you want something one handed for that purpose. I don't see that changing right now. If you're a marine, grab a rifle or shotgun, as they are meant to be your front-line assault-type weapons. Maybe the SMGs will be unique in some way in the future, but that's not something that's available right now. I am denying this.