Make Predator 'Pacts' With Aliens a Jobbannable Offense

[Surrealistik]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Seriously this shit is retarded and happens at least once every other Predator round.

Preds making pacts of any kind with xenos is exceedingly rare and has happened only once in canon as I recall, yet it is a commonplace occurrence on CM; it needs to stop.


Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

Stops rampant retardation and massive violations of canon/RP for a whitelisted role that's supposed to cleave closer to it and have higher RP standards than any other.


Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):

Per title/summary.


Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):

Rules change + enforcement.

Better yet, also get rid of Pred communication with Xenos as I'm pretty sure that wasn't a thing and this removes a source of temptation/facilitation to strike these idiotic deals.

[LocalizedDownpour]

Honestly for this.

It's what amounts to 'Big game' for Preds. It's like trying to tell the bear it needs to stay away from you...with words.

[Feweh]

I dont understand?

Predators are speaking to xenos and making an alliance?

Or

They just are actively ignoring xenos?

[MrJJJ]

I dont understand?

Predators are speaking to xenos and making an alliance?

Or

They just are actively ignoring xenos?

The first option, not sure how you didint read this correctly, clearly says "making pacts"

[Surrealistik]

I dont understand?

Predators are speaking to xenos and making an alliance?

Or

They just are actively ignoring xenos?

The former.

The latter without explicit deal making is even more common (they ignore each other; blatant RP violation).

[Monoo]

I would be for this as well, it would prevent a lot of the grief and salt that these situations generate. Since xenos can communicate with Preds, it's often difficult to hunt them without having a chat instead. Arranging an honor duel this way takes a lot of time and awkward RP, and is pretty far out of character. I'd rather hunt but get roped into the xenomorph RP realm instead.

Recent rounds have made it pretty apparent that predators cooperating with xenos temporarily for a duel can be seen as a "pact," so I agree that they shouldn't be able to communicate (besides the Queen's telepathy). I'd rather not get accused of delaying the round again for defending a dueling predator.

Make it against the rules to ally them, and we might see more actual hunting taking place.

+1

[Feweh]

They ignore xenos and humans for balance.

They go after which ever side is winning.
They are told to do this

[Surrealistik]

They ignore xenos and humans for balance.

They go after which ever side is winning.
They are told to do this

They don't really have a way of telling which side is winning unless it's blatantly obvious, which is where a lot of problems happen. Also Predators not wanting to side with the underdog presumably to save their own skin.

Beyond that though, again, the issue this thread is primarily concerned with is these absurd deals. I have seen a Predator literally craft multiple easy chairs in order to watch Xenos demolish the marine FOB in comfort and/or style as the Xenos and Pred totally ignored each other.

[Feweh]

Eh

This really isnt a huge issue

[Surrealistik]

Eh

This really isnt a huge issue

Given that these are pretty common violations of the rule to side with the underdog, including picking sides before an underdog is apparent, I'd say it is.

[Monoo]

They don't really have a way of telling which side is winning unless it's blatantly obvious, which is where a lot of problems happen. Also Predators not wanting to side with the underdog presumably to save their own skin.

Beyond that though, again, the issue this thread is primarily concerned with is these absurd deals. I have seen a Predator literally craft multiple easy chairs in order to watch Xenos demolish the marine FOB in comfort and/or style as the Xenos and Pred totally ignored each other.

Predator's places aren't to get directly involved in big marine v. xeno fights unless we ourselves are threatened, though. Intervening in a contest for the FOB would land us in hot water no matter which side we helped out, as predators tend to generate a lot of salt when they cut loose. We're supposed to stick to either stick to RPing when in contact with large groups or hunt solo/smaller groups.

[Surrealistik]

Predator's places aren't to get directly involved in big marine v. xeno fights unless we ourselves are threatened, though. Intervening in a contest for the FOB would land us in hot water no matter which side we helped out, as predators tend to generate a lot of salt when they cut loose. We're supposed to stick to either stick to RPing when in contact with large groups or hunt solo/smaller groups.

Do you think making easy chairs and sitting back/watching this happen without any hostilities from either party is acceptable, either on the basis of RP or the underdog rule which clearly applies here?

[Feweh]

Given that these are pretty common violations of the rule to side with the underdog, including picking sides before an underdog is apparent, I'd say it is.

Not really, its done for balance reasons and isnt going to change.

The end result will be far more complaints.

[Surrealistik]

Not really, its done for balance reasons and isnt going to change.

The end result will be far more complaints.

Dude, I'm talking about things which are a clear violation of the rules _as they exist_.

Actually enforcing the underdog rule would be a good start.

[Monoo]

Do you think making easy chairs and sitting back/watching this happen without any hostilities from either party is acceptable, either on the basis of RP or the underdog rule which clearly applies here?

I'd need context from earlier in the round, honestly. While I don't approve of the easy chair thing, I'm not sure how running to defend the marines at the drop of the hat when they're under attack would supplement the round or the RP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the underdog rule isn't the -sole- motivator for predators and their disposition.

[Surrealistik]

I'd need context from earlier in the round, honestly. While I don't approve of the easy chair thing, I'm not sure how running to defend the marines at the drop of the hat when they're under attack would supplement the round or the RP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the underdog rule isn't the -sole- motivator for predators and their disposition.

It's not about running to defend the marines whenever they're under attack, but actually honouring that rule since the marines were clearly the underdogs here (also Xenos completely ignoring the Predator, even when they had weight of numbers and were winning the FOB fight handily is a total RP faux pas).

The way I see it is this: we can either have an absolute commandment that is accountable to game balance (an underdog rule that is enforced), or we can enforce common sense RP (which would preclude Xeno pacts/mutually ignoring), or we can let the Predators do whatever the fuck they want as is most expedient for them mechanically. As is the rules for Predator conduct seem to be some kind of confused muddle between #1 and #2 that in practice results in #3.

[YungCuz]

Did you ever think about what reasons they have for doing this.
Cause its not cause they decide to its cause they don't really have a choice.

[LocalizedDownpour]

In my honest opinion teaing with xenos and ignoring xenos are not one in the same.

Ignoring okay fine... You don't want to kill a budding hive a s it would hurt future hunts.

But predators and xenos just don't have the kind of relation ship to team up.

[Heckenshutze]

They ignore xenos and humans for balance.

They go after which ever side is winning.
They are told to do this

This.

Isn't something we choose.

[Surrealistik]

Did you ever think about what reasons they have for doing this.
Cause its not cause they decide to its cause they don't really have a choice.

So the admins are dictating who the Predators can and can't kill, and tell them to stand down while Xenus are assraping the humans?

[Feweh]

So the admins are dictating who the Predators can and can't kill, and tell them to stand down while Xenus are assraping the humans?

No, they know in advance not to target the side that is losing 80 vs 10.
So if theres 80 marines, 10 xenos... they'll go for the marines before the xenos.

[YungCuz]

So the admins are dictating who the Predators can and can't kill, and tell them to stand down while Xenus are assraping the humans?

No more of they are getting taken down too easily by Xenos and can't really fight back. Atleast not easily. Cough Tacklespam.
Plus what Feweh Stated above.^

[Surrealistik]

No, they know in advance not to target the side that is losing 80 vs 10.
So if theres 80 marines, 10 xenos... they'll go for the marines before the xenos.

How does that explain them not doing the opposite when the aliens are winning?

Also they definitely shouldn't be making explicit 'deals' with the Xenos; playing to the underdog rule sure, but there should be a ban on actual negotiations.


@YungCuz: Exactly, they're playing in accordance with mechanically what is in their best interests, and for no other reason (which is exactly what they're _not_ supposed to do as Preds).

[Casany]

In The round this budded from, the predators WERE using the underdog rule. Five xenos to 40 marines, so the predators hunted the marines to make sure there wasn't complete anihalation. Marines got salty because "muh victories" and this happened. You do know that 2 young runners can fuck a pred who doesn't cloak, and 4 can kill them for the simple term of tacklespam. Preds usually tend to ignore xenos because usually they CANT WIN against a SLIGHTLY competent xeno. They aren't always gonna come to the marines rescue, nor should they. I just see a salty marine player who wants the predators to always fight for marines, which they shouldn't

Oh, oh and also if the aliens attempt to kill the pred usually 2-3 will die from plasma launching before they tacklespam and slash to death, so xenos tend to ignore preds just like marines tend to ignore preds

[forwardslashN]

I don't think it's in the spirit of RP to ban RP. I also don't think predators should be going around making deals with xenomorphs, but it shouldn't be forbidden either. It has happened before on the server from what I'm told, but I have yet to see it in person, and I've been in a lot of predator rounds.