Remove exceptions from EORG rule

[Szunti]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Fighting after the round ends and generating combat logs. The exception is Marines and aliens fighting, or fighting against spawned Antags (Russian attack teams, W-Y Assassins, etc). End of Round Grief (EORG) is an IMMEDIATE 3 hour ban with no warnings.

I was told by Mordrehel that accidental FF while aiming for the xeno coming out of the vent can get you banned because there is no time to investigate.
But let's be fair, FF happens while fighting, you can even shoot marines who are out of your view.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
Noone will feel tricked because trying to do something explicitly allowed and still banned. Grief notes have a lot of disadvantages as far as I know.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):
Having a totally inflexible policy of banning without warning or investigation plus encouraging marines to take the risk of triggering it will create a pissed off player sooner or later. You have the policy for good reasons. So the exceptions must go.

[Karmac]

You can ban appeal it

[Mordrehel]

*sigh* I said it could, to be fair, a single log is normally ignored, I also said this. Only something that looks like intent to kill or harm gets the ban. Trust me its obvious. Also, you can't appeal three hour bans (all EORG bans.)

[Karmac]

Make a staff complaint

If you feel you were banned for EORG when you shouldn't have been.

[Mordrehel]

Exactly as Carmac says. Thats about all you can do for wrongly placed EORG bans mostly with the support of rule 0.1

[Szunti]

I'm confused. I asked if it's EORG when you aim for a xeno coming from the vent and you shoot a marine accidentally. You said it is.
Maybe I don't understand what is EORG. By EORG I mean a banworthy offense of intentionally harming teammates, which is most easily identified by combat logs. Or does it mean just generating combat logs and bannable only when intentional?

Do you say that intention matters and the staff member makes a mistake if they ban me and I can complain about it successfully?

[Karmac]

I'm confused. I asked if it's EORG when you aim for a xeno coming from the vent and you shoot a marine accidentally. You said it is.
Maybe I don't understand what is EORG. By EORG I mean a banworthy offense of intentionally harming teammates, which is most easily identified by combat logs. Or does it mean just generating combat logs and bannable only when intentional?

Do you say that intention matters and the staff member makes a mistake if they ban me and I can complain about it successfully?

Just file a staff report saying "X unjustly banned me during end of round due to me accidentally generating FF logs when I tried shooting a xeno coming out of a vent"

[Shust]

Jones said even misfire is instant ban. have a heart. now obvoiously some may try to abuse "accidental misfire" but accidents r accidents

[Karmac]

File the staff report, not everyone is jones, you might get it lifted, worst case scenario, play atari breakout on google images for 3 hours.

Not much else you can do

[Mordrehel]

I'm simply saying in most cases and for myself I don't bother with logs that seem to be accidental some staff feel otherwise and really the best option you have to fight it is a staff report although I doubt that'll get very far as the rule very easily allows you to be banned for any and all cases. Basically check your fire, you don't need to kill that alien anymore, it doesn't matter.

[apophis775]

Denied.

All staff should be jumping to the location of FF if there are still "antags" on server, to see if it's EORG or not. Hitting a friendly while shooting at an alien after round-end, is NOT EORG. I will push this to staff though, so they are aware.