WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CUT OFF MY ARM?! [Allow Medics to do amputations]

[Crab_Spider]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Make an exclusion in the "medics cannot perform surgery" rule for medics to be able to amputate legs and arms should hands and feet be severed by severe injury.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): I myself would enjoy having not to worry about taking further damage to my limbs AFTER one WAS cut off, causing lexorin to pile up inside you. Losing your right hand will not mean you'll get a robotic hand only, it means you'll have to lose your right hand just to replace that right hand, and this may just be me, but I like to be in and out of surgery quickly.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Simply allow medics to perform amputations on patients that have lost a hand or foot, since this kind of thing wouldn't necessarily require a lot medical practice (at least... I hope it would).

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Rule edit.

[NoahKirchner]

... why?
Your reasoning is flawed, to actually be able to do surgery as a medic in a reasonable amount of time, you'll need (without surgery tools), a knife(that isn't the marine bootknife, it doesn't work), screwdriver, crowbar, hatchet, and all for something that a doctor can do really quickly.

You're also taking more shit away from doctors, this is literally half of their job now that everything's been pussified.

[Crab_Spider]

... why?
Your reasoning is flawed, to actually be able to do surgery as a medic in a reasonable amount of time, you'll need (without surgery tools), a knife(that isn't the marine bootknife, it doesn't work), screwdriver, crowbar, hatchet, and all for something that a doctor can do really quickly.

You're also taking more shit away from doctors, this is literally half of their job now that everything's been pussified.

I like hearing people scream as I'm doing surgery them. You also realize this is just amputating (cutting off limbs) right?

[taketheshot56]

I think this is a great idea, would love to see it implemented. Especially with the state of our doctors nowadays.

[Snypehunter007]

There is literally no mechanical reason for medics to cut off limbs.

Asking this to be locked.

[Symbiosis]

There is literally no mechanical reason for medics to cut off limbs.

Asking this to be locked.

Following up here...

Had a patient with 175 brute damage to a limb and due to spots/burns 400 combined brute/burn damage. I wasn't aware I wasn't supposed to cut off the limb, so I did with a boot knife.

It would be nice for Medics to be able to amputate so they're able to defib dead marines. Burn packs and trauma packs only do so much and this would allow Marines to continue the round, at least from the RP side (wounded Marines take up time/resources/are a vulnerability).

Medics obviously shouldn't be able to attach limbs, but delimbing and throwing a tourniquet on (RP wise, I know there's no tourniquets) with a mangled limb with 175 or so brute damage would be a logical move from the Medic. There's some RP fun to be had from Marines watching a Medic saw/hack off a downed Marines hand/foot before defibbing them and rushing them off on a stretcher.

[Ping]

Parroting Joseph, there are certainly edge scenarios where amputating as a medic would be beneficial mechanic wise, though at the moment I can only think of the one situation (the defibbing). Still, desperately sawing off a limb in the middle of the firefight while screaming in order to revive a dead friend might just be enough of a reason for the entire thing to be worth it.

I would argue that all marines should have the ability to saw off a limb because the procedure is realistically that easy, and chances are the medic'll have someone else cut off the corpses arm just to save time. Also, I can finally start that right arm collection from my fallen comrades.

Obvious arguments against this ruling would be the following:
-Exceptions to rules are a pain in the ass, and this will have such a minor impact on the game that it might not be worth it.
-The situation where amputating would be viable (Aka, you have a dead corpse, access to a saw or other amputating devices, and most of the damage to one limb) comes up very rarely, though it's more frequent after the hugger update.
-Maybe we don't want people to be inspired to do amputations all the time.

So yeah, I'll give it a +1, but doubt that this is going to get enough traction to be implemented.

[Jroinc1]

We already can do this with knives. He's asking for PROPER surgery, so, yeah.

[Symbiosis]

We already can do this with knives. He's asking for PROPER surgery, so, yeah.

We're asking to use a bonesaw type thing with a tourniquet. Since limbs can have 250+ damage, this allows players to stay in the round.

[Crab_Spider]

We already can do this with knives. He's asking for PROPER surgery, so, yeah.

It's not surgery if you're not fixing anything

[Ping]

Bumping this suggestion back to re-stir up interest: I have been witnessing a ton of situations where removing a limb off of a corpse would grant a revive over the past week. I'm not sure if this is a result of xeno players having renewed interest in damaging limbs, or if it's just all of the medics noticing how beneficial it is to remove a limb to get a revive.

Again, the only real purpose of amputations is to remove enough damage to put a patient in the defib thresh-hold, but I would argue that it's a significant enough purpose to consider. Besides, it ain't surgery if you be removing the body part.

[Zantus]

As a medic, I will have to agree with this being at least something we should be allowed to do. The others have made good points, scenarios that are very common and I've witnessed it myself (having two to three whole defibs wasted just because we couldn't take off a limb easily).

To add, even a resprited circular saw (bonesaw as mentioned) for medical amputation would be very dandy as well, and if possible slightly coded out so we don't have to put the patient on a rollerbed/table? The latter isn't necessary, but would be helpful.

[Bronimin]

If the problem is 500+ damage on limbs preventing revival, why not instead cap limb damage so that past a certain point all it does is inflict pain?

Fixing the root problem instead of just applying a patch, here.

[solidfury7]

There is literally no mechanical reason for medics to cut off limbs.

Asking this to be locked.

Non-medic spotted.


Seriously, cutting off limbs makes sense both mechanically and RP wise.

[SpecialAgentOrange]

Just give medics a tourniquet and a collapsible hacksaw like back in the Civil War

[Deus Dactyl]

Please let the hacksaw fit into the boots as a medic's replacement for the combat knife.

Also I haven't seen the use case for this yet personally as a medic main, but it sounds metal as fuck.

[Kazuko_myu]

Please let the hacksaw fit into the boots as a medic's replacement for the combat knife.

Also I haven't seen the use case for this yet personally as a medic main, but it sounds metal as fuck.

Who would carry a big ass hacksaw inside his boots?

[Symbiosis]

Who would carry a big ass hacksaw inside his boots?

All the Medics who want to defib people with 400ish brute. Especially when it's linked to limbs.

[Snypehunter007]

Non-medic spotted.


Seriously, cutting off limbs makes sense both mechanically and RP wise.

Kam 'Blister' Hired

and there comes a point where someone is TOO far gone.

[Casany]

and there comes a point where someone is TOO far gone.

So you're advocating for medics to not defib patients that could be saved via amuptations. I'd much rather be alive with no arm then be dead, but that's just me.

[Symbiosis]

Kam 'Blister' Hired

and there comes a point where someone is TOO far gone.

Agreed! Perhaps creating a threshold where arms pop off? Around 100 or so? Seeing limbs with 200+ damage is daunting and generally results in Marines having around 350+ combined damage :/.

[Zantus]

Kam 'Blister' Hired

and there comes a point where someone is TOO far gone.

The point where someone is too far gone is husking and being past the defib timer limit.

In the hands of a medic, they have several choices. Cutting off a limb being one of them, however you risk them losing blood and more health ironically (considering the other circumstances) despite there being a mechanic that is literally just putting them on a table/bed and cutting the limb off. They're not allowed to do it. That's the point of this.

If I can save someone with a brute of 300+ in one limb, why can't others have the option of simply cutting it off and defibbing that way? Doctors are supposed to deal with missing limbs as well.

[Bmc777]

Approved.

[Snypehunter007]

Moved to the new GitLab suggestion system.