Remove the Ruling on FOBs

[Kreydis]

I think the biggest issue here is that the staff want's marines to attack. And the best way to fight aliens is defensively. While I can understand the restriction of 1 base aboard the station, it annoys me to have the locations specified for us.

I just wish we were given more assaulting tools, because it's literally impossible to siege virology/xenobio/anyplace where it's 90% corners without outnumbering the aliens 2 to 1. Even then it's still hard as shit because all they have to do is face plant you and you're basically out of commission for the rest of the fight.

"But onii~ All you have to do is guard the door while you're breaching!"
WRONG, mother fucking aliens can take like 30 bullets before they collapse. Which is more then enough time to face plant and drag the poor engineering that's trying to do his damn job.
"Then why not block the door while you're breaching?"
Good question, why don't you say hello to mister acid and mister face rape? Because you can slam an alien past a wildly firing MG! And you'll have more then enough time to spit acid (Super acid if you're smart) if you're not slow as hell.

But just wondering, do the rest of you engineers understand that you can disassemble R-walls now right?

[Caroes]

I think the biggest issue here is that the staff want's marines to attack. And the best way to fight aliens is defensively. While I can understand the restriction of 1 base aboard the station, it annoys me to have the locations specified for us.

I just wish we were given more assaulting tools, because it's literally impossible to siege virology/xenobio/anyplace where it's 90% corners without outnumbering the aliens 2 to 1. Even then it's still hard as shit because all they have to do is face plant you and you're basically out of commission for the rest of the fight.

"But onii~ All you have to do is guard the door while you're breaching!"
WRONG, mother fucking aliens can take like 30 bullets before they collapse. Which is more then enough time to face plant and drag the poor engineering that's trying to do his damn job.
"Then why not block the door while you're breaching?"
Good question, why don't you say hello to mister acid and mister face rape? Because you can slam an alien past a wildly firing MG! And you'll have more then enough time to spit acid (Super acid if you're smart) if you're not slow as hell.

But just wondering, do the rest of you engineers understand that you can disassemble R-walls now right?

Disassembling R-walls takes SO LONG. Like, at least a minute. Not counting interruptions by xenos/friendly fire.

Why can't we just give engineers a shit ton of C4, and/or an improved welder that has like 80 fuel and takes down resin walls really fast.

[Sellka]

Yes, some of us do. You also know it's a lengthy process which involves us getting face hugged knocked down etc. R walls tend to be more dangerous as they take up the most time thus giving the aliens more time and chances to grapple us. Depending on who is the queen you can expect people to dissapear real fast.

[Kreydis]

Disassembling R-walls takes SO LONG. Like, at least a minute. Not counting interruptions by xenos/friendly fire.

Why can't we just give engineers a shit ton of C4, and/or an improved welder that has like 80 fuel and takes down resin walls really fast.

Yes, some of us do. You also know it's a lengthy process which involves us getting face hugged knocked down etc. R walls tend to be more dangerous as they take up the most time thus giving the aliens more time and chances to grapple us. Depending on who is the queen you can expect people to dissapear real fast.

Indeed I do understand it's a long ass process, i was just wondering if people knew about this. In reguards to the C4 I belive Apop said he was going to give engineers that, and I know the concerns and difficulties of being a banter engineer.

The moment Xur is gone NO ONE PROTECTS US!

[Caroes]

oh, apop...

*swoon*

But actually i bet this will help a lot.

[apophis775]

More "Combat engineer" tools will be on the way, to shift the focus into assaulting.

And again, yesterday, there was like, a 6 hour round, because the marines wouldn't fucking leave their defenses, despite an advantage of at least 5-1 for nearly the ENTIRE round. For around an hour, when the marines refused to leave their fobs, it was 24-4

[warwolf0315]

More "Combat engineer" tools will be on the way, to shift the focus into assaulting.

And again, yesterday, there was like, a 6 hour round, because the marines wouldn't fucking leave their defenses, despite an advantage of at least 5-1 for nearly the ENTIRE round. For around an hour, when the marines refused to leave their fobs, it was 24-4

Damn it Apop now I have an actual reason to play engineer.

[apophis775]

Yea well, grenades will be coming soon, and possibly flamethrowers.

[AncientV25]

I think the biggest issue here is that the staff want's marines to attack. And the best way to fight aliens is defensively.

This is the biggest issue I have with the current FOB ruling.
Marines ingame are completely unable to stay on the offensive unless they have a constant supply of manpower. It's just not possible.

[HighwaterOffical]

Alright, i read all 6 pages of this bullshit, when all of it could have simply been figured out by stating the following -

"Admins think they needed to have their 1337 emerhsions intact, but they also want to be hitlermins and make sure everything is regulated beyond belief, to the point where the shit isent even tolerable for new people, during the START, the VERY START of CM, Every marine got C4, and complete wrecked aliens shit, because marines were op as fuck, then all the alien players cried "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" So they did, removed C4, lowered gun damage, and basicly made them walking sponges, then aliens became OP obviously, and marines said "Fuck it, i'm not being a whinny bitch and complaining to hitlermins about my problems" SO, they made FOBs, And made super fortresses, Then the balanced shifted in their power, then the aliens proceeded to say "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" and the admins said "YE U RITE ROUND R 2 LONG 2 MANY PEEPS LOG OFF NOT ENUFF MONIES" Now FOBs are banned, and now marine players are sitting here wondering why the fuck that all of this boils down to the admins wanting to regulate shit, when a server based on creativity is a good one, fuck rules, all of it can boil down to "Don't be a dick - Rule 0 , Don't toe the line of being a dick - Rule 1" If the admins can't tell who is being a dick, and who isent, FIRE THEM, its not hard. All of this boils down to the admins, not the players, FOBs were fine, aliens were being whinny as they always have been, and admins were tired of their shit, so they said fuck it, lets ruin it for marines players. FOBs should continue to be able to be built as large as possible, and aliens, if you want to satisfy their whinniness, and your own egos, can have a buff, Give them super fast melt shit acid, and all will be restored in the universe, and we can finnally play CM without shitler aliens being shiters towards shitler marines.


tl;dr Alien Players are whinny bitches, Admins have Egos, Marines are independent, add FOBs

[Kreydis]

This is the biggest issue I have with the current FOB ruling.
Marines ingame are completely unable to stay on the offensive unless they have a constant supply of manpower. It's just not possible.

I love being quoted. I also equally love being agreed with. That being said, might as well stop complaining about something that's done seeing as we're getting new toys to blow shit up with. (P.S. off my combat engineer position)

[apophis775]

Alright, i read all 6 pages of this bullshit, when all of it could have simply been figured out by stating the following -

"Admins think they needed to have their 1337 emerhsions intact, but they also want to be hitlermins and make sure everything is regulated beyond belief, to the point where the shit isent even tolerable for new people, during the START, the VERY START of CM, Every marine got C4, and complete wrecked aliens shit, because marines were op as fuck, then all the alien players cried "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" So they did, removed C4, lowered gun damage, and basicly made them walking sponges, then aliens became OP obviously, and marines said "Fuck it, i'm not being a whinny bitch and complaining to hitlermins about my problems" SO, they made FOBs, And made super fortresses, Then the balanced shifted in their power, then the aliens proceeded to say "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" and the admins said "YE U RITE ROUND R 2 LONG 2 MANY PEEPS LOG OFF NOT ENUFF MONIES" Now FOBs are banned, and now marine players are sitting here wondering why the fuck that all of this boils down to the admins wanting to regulate shit, when a server based on creativity is a good one, fuck rules, all of it can boil down to "Don't be a dick - Rule 0 , Don't toe the line of being a dick - Rule 1" If the admins can't tell who is being a dick, and who isent, FIRE THEM, its not hard. All of this boils down to the admins, not the players, FOBs were fine, aliens were being whinny as they always have been, and admins were tired of their shit, so they said fuck it, lets ruin it for marines players. FOBs should continue to be able to be built as large as possible, and aliens, if you want to satisfy their whinniness, and your own egos, can have a buff, Give them super fast melt shit acid, and all will be restored in the universe, and we can finnally play CM without shitler aliens being shiters towards shitler marines.


tl;dr Alien Players are whinny bitches, Admins have Egos, Marines are independent, add FOBs

This is stupid. Your not contributing to the discussion at all.

If your not going to contribute something that isn't nonsensical, kindly don't contribute at all. If I remember, that's actually a rule for the bugs/suggestions forum.

[apophis775]

This is the biggest issue I have with the current FOB ruling.
Marines ingame are completely unable to stay on the offensive unless they have a constant supply of manpower. It's just not possible.

Marines DO have a near constant supply of new manpower, as they get more marines as the round goes on.

It's the failure of the commander an LO, if these new people aren't utilized properly. Maybe, instead of sending them in 1s and 2s to their death, only start the game with 1-2 squads, and as people come in, assign them to a third squad and only deploy it when it has X number of people.

Or, have the reinforcements placed into squads that have losses, to re-inforce them.

The challenge for marines, is supposed to be that they need to do the best they can, with their limited forces, against an enemy that gets stronger each time one of them falls.

[Mr.Smooooth]

Marines DO have a near constant supply of new manpower, as they get more marines as the round goes on.

It's the failure of the commander an LO, if these new people aren't utilized properly. Maybe, instead of sending them in 1s and 2s to their death, only start the game with 1-2 squads, and as people come in, assign them to a third squad and only deploy it when it has X number of people.

Or, have the reinforcements placed into squads that have losses, to re-inforce them.

The challenge for marines, is supposed to be that they need to do the best they can, with their limited forces, against an enemy that gets stronger each time one of them falls.

Yea, and if you try to hold marines back as command, they bitch at you because nobody wants to wait. I've played rounds where fully suited marines ghosted to go play alien cause Sulaco command was trying to get a full squad together before deploying them, and they got impatient.

The marines are always at a disadvantage in this game, that's the way of things, I can dig it. However, when marines shift their thinking and try something creative to gain some sort of edge, they get stomped on by admins. First it was explosives, then it was guns dealing too much damage, then it was combat surgery, now its fucking FOBs.

Alien players will bitch and whine and moan if marines do anything more then run blindly into a facehugger and jump into a resin nest. Thank you for finally promising to give us some assault tools. Marines will be a lot more willing to charge forward when they have the tools to do it successfully. If you really want to encourage marines to attack, make sure Aliens can't buckle people into nests unless they're already stunned. LOLnesting can let one drone take on an entire squad and I doubt that's how the nests were meant to be used.

Finally, even if marines have the tools to be more aggressive, the current limitations of the marines establishing FOBs on the Nostromo are prohibitive to a fault. The marines are being sent there to investigate what appears to be the entire crew disappearing. It makes sense to secure a safe zone to evacuate survivors to and serve as a home base on the station. The Sulaco is not an effective FOB in this regard. A proper FOB can support offensive actions nicely, as it provides both a secure staging area, and a safe fallback point for wounded marines.

[MrJJJ]

Both sides will whine a lot if you add or remove something used a lot

Remove something from aliens? They whine
Do same with marines? They whine
Add something to aliens? Marines whine
Do same with marines? Aliens whine

Both sides have Noobs and veterans and any other type of players, if they think for example that marines need a lot more damage, they try not only to whine, but ask, plead and etc, they keep doing it until it gets done or Apop says it's never gonna be done or etc

We almost stuck in infinite loop of some marines or aliens complaining about one side has or exploits to win more easily which aliens do a lot than marines,some got fixed like nest-eggs, some still exist,but every exploit will go away eventually.

I readed the FOB rule and guess what? I don't see a difference but more action and less building a giant FOB for no reason, the rule seems fine, I see absolutely no reason to ask to remove the rule, building multiple FOB's is not ok, since most people will sit and not go, now you have one giant one, aliens won't have to try break infinite amount of tables and marines engage a bit more and will not have a lot of they metal wasted on multiple FOB when all they need is a giant one, yes it does get breached eventually, but FOB is not your damn "oh you can't destroy this" fort, it will sooner or later, FOB was never made to be undestroyable forever, heck, so many people are against this rule...
Oh and it also easens the pain for runners or any other caste to get HOSTS! They won't have to jump over 20 tables, pounce or get there through the vent for a marine and die from 1-4 others and not able to run off
Jesus people do post long posts.

[HighwaterOffical]

HighwaterOffical Wrote:
Alright, i read all 6 pages of this bullshit, when all of it could have simply been figured out by stating the following -

"Admins think they needed to have their 1337 emerhsions intact, but they also want to be hitlermins and make sure everything is regulated beyond belief, to the point where the shit isent even tolerable for new people, during the START, the VERY START of CM, Every marine got C4, and complete wrecked aliens shit, because marines were op as fuck, then all the alien players cried "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" So they did, removed C4, lowered gun damage, and basicly made them walking sponges, then aliens became OP obviously, and marines said "Fuck it, i'm not being a whinny bitch and complaining to hitlermins about my problems" SO, they made FOBs, And made super fortresses, Then the balanced shifted in their power, then the aliens proceeded to say "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" and the admins said "YE U RITE ROUND R 2 LONG 2 MANY PEEPS LOG OFF NOT ENUFF MONIES" Now FOBs are banned, and now marine players are sitting here wondering why the fuck that all of this boils down to the admins wanting to regulate shit, when a server based on creativity is a good one, fuck rules, all of it can boil down to "Don't be a dick - Rule 0 , Don't toe the line of being a dick - Rule 1" If the admins can't tell who is being a dick, and who isent, FIRE THEM, its not hard. All of this boils down to the admins, not the players, FOBs were fine, aliens were being whinny as they always have been, and admins were tired of their shit, so they said fuck it, lets ruin it for marines players. FOBs should continue to be able to be built as large as possible, and aliens, if you want to satisfy their whinniness, and your own egos, can have a buff, Give them super fast melt shit acid, and all will be restored in the universe, and we can finnally play CM without shitler aliens being shiters towards shitler marines.


tl;dr Alien Players are whinny bitches, Admins have Egos, Marines are independent, add FOBs

This is stupid. Your not contributing to the discussion at all.

If your not going to contribute something that isn't nonsensical, kindly don't contribute at all. If I remember, that's actually a rule for the bugs/suggestions forum.


Ok- If you want me to contribute, heres my 2 cents, Add FOBs Aliens complain to much about everything. And in the future, if you want to say my posts are stupid, and don't contribute, i can raise a fucking army of necro posts to simply point out all your "Stupid" and "Pointless" posts. Don't be a dick, above post is light hearted.

[MrJJJ]

HighwaterOffical Wrote:
Alright, i read all 6 pages of this bullshit, when all of it could have simply been figured out by stating the following -

"Admins think they needed to have their 1337 emerhsions intact, but they also want to be hitlermins and make sure everything is regulated beyond belief, to the point where the shit isent even tolerable for new people, during the START, the VERY START of CM, Every marine got C4, and complete wrecked aliens shit, because marines were op as fuck, then all the alien players cried "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" So they did, removed C4, lowered gun damage, and basicly made them walking sponges, then aliens became OP obviously, and marines said "Fuck it, i'm not being a whinny bitch and complaining to hitlermins about my problems" SO, they made FOBs, And made super fortresses, Then the balanced shifted in their power, then the aliens proceeded to say "OOHHOOAH MARINES SO OP PLOX NERF DEM" and the admins said "YE U RITE ROUND R 2 LONG 2 MANY PEEPS LOG OFF NOT ENUFF MONIES" Now FOBs are banned, and now marine players are sitting here wondering why the fuck that all of this boils down to the admins wanting to regulate shit, when a server based on creativity is a good one, fuck rules, all of it can boil down to "Don't be a dick - Rule 0 , Don't toe the line of being a dick - Rule 1" If the admins can't tell who is being a dick, and who isent, FIRE THEM, its not hard. All of this boils down to the admins, not the players, FOBs were fine, aliens were being whinny as they always have been, and admins were tired of their shit, so they said fuck it, lets ruin it for marines players. FOBs should continue to be able to be built as large as possible, and aliens, if you want to satisfy their whinniness, and your own egos, can have a buff, Give them super fast melt shit acid, and all will be restored in the universe, and we can finnally play CM without shitler aliens being shiters towards shitler marines.


tl;dr Alien Players are whinny bitches, Admins have Egos, Marines are independent, add FOBs

This is stupid. Your not contributing to the discussion at all.

If your not going to contribute something that isn't nonsensical, kindly don't contribute at all. If I remember, that's actually a rule for the bugs/suggestions forum.


Ok- If you want me to contribute, heres my 2 cents, Add FOBs Aliens complain to much about everything. And in the future, if you want to say my posts are stupid, and don't contribute, i can raise a fucking army of necro posts to simply point out all your "Stupid" and "Pointless" posts. Don't be a dick, above post is light hearted.

…No wonder you so hated, how is my also post light hearted? and you are whining about how everyone whiny is, seriously dude…i am not whining at least.

Is the post about necro a threat? i have already not a good view on Unknown due to his mistakes he does as headadmin but you just reached the level where EVERYONE on this forum has a chance of 95% of literally not only giving you - rep, but also maybe insult you or more

Don't also damn copy your last post here, nobody wants 10 pages which all have at least 1 same reply

[Void00]

Dont devolve this thread in a flame-war , or it will be closedand those who started the flaming will be warned.

That said , Respect and being friendly goes a big way into being accepted in a community , something that you two dont seem to understand , right now.

And use a "-snip-" if you are gonna quote 10 pages of discussion and add only a single word.

[HighwaterOffical]

…No wonder you so hated, how is my also post light hearted? and you are whining about how everyone whiny is, seriously dude…i am not whining at least.

Is the post about necro a threat? i have already not a good view on Unknown due to his mistakes he does as headadmin but you just reached the level where EVERYONE on this forum has a chance of 95% of literally not only giving you - rep, but also maybe insult you or more

Don't also damn copy your last post here, nobody wants 10 pages which all have at least 1 same reply

No wonder im so hated? SSCM dosen't like me to "Tell it how it is" And i was refering to my orginal post, which is light hearted, And no, im not whinning, im telling it how it is, And i never said you were.

Its a threat to apop, if he wants to call my posts stupid, and pointless, and be a dick about it, by all means, let me piss him off to, and i EXPECT everyone on the forum to do that, because like i said, SSCM dosen't like me to "Tell it how it is" they like everything to be polite, We aren't british, we don't wear top hats and monocoles, and drink our tea sitting around a fire? Now do we?

I men't to quote, i actually thought it would detect that the text i posted was already said, and make it a quote, i guess i was wrong, apologies.

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My opinion is stated, apologies for posting more, apologies i was mistaken that SSCM could handle how bluntly i was saying what was being said, my opinion is that we need FOBs because it factors down to admin regulations, not gameplay between aliens and marines.

[MrJJJ]

Dont devolve this thread in a flame-war , or it will be closedand those who started the flaming will be warned.

That said , Respect and being friendly goes a big way into being accepted in a community , something that you two dont seem to understand , right now.

And use a "-snip-" if you are gonna quote 10 pages of discussion and add only a single word.

we barely started anything……


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[Void00]

You might call it pre-emptively cutting the head of the snake before it's born : P .

Sorry if it was unneded.
I'm kinda jumpy and aggressive these days , for reasons that i privately stated to the other staff members (that being also the reason i'm taking a long vacation from the server , i dont feel to well , i would surely fuck up, and i'm very busy).

Now , please , return to the topic : )

[apophis775]

The marines are always at a disadvantage in this game, that's the way of things, I can dig it. However, when marines shift their thinking and try something creative to gain some sort of edge, they get stomped on by admins. First it was explosives, then it was guns dealing too much damage, then it was combat surgery, now its fucking FOBs.

What do you mean? First, Explosives were disabled, after a HUGE grief-fest, and have been re-enabled once the grief settled, for like, fucking, 6 months. I mean, we've been EXPANDING explosives, to include mines and grenades (an upcoming update). And guns DID do too much damage. The original damage for the M41A was like, 60 (It's 30 now if I remember). Combat surgery, was MADE EASIER for medics, with the addition of surgery kits. I'm not sure where your getting you grossly incorrect information, but you need to maybe pay attention to what's actually happening.

As far as the restrictions of where the FOB can be, those are pretty much, the BEST places. where else will you put one? EVA? AI upload? I gave you the places, which were the MOST LIKELY places to be of any use.


And Highwater, your not "telling it like it is", your being a dick. There's a difference between honestly, and being an asshole. Your being an asshole.

[MrJJJ]

AI upload

Why has nobody even damn placed a FOB Inside AI Upload? Its easy to take out turrets and all you do is hack a couple of doors, disable turrets easily or destroy them, then all you do is barricade it easily and nothing can get you since its pretty much only 1 way in, anything that enters gets its chest full of holes, and might die, only praetorian has any chances of getting in due to his super acid, but that's mid game usually or late game, by that time marines most likely went back to sulaco or something

[Aliton]

Why has nobody even damn placed a FOB Inside AI Upload? Its easy to take out turrets and all you do is hack a couple of doors, disable turrets easily or destroy them, then all you do is barricade it easily and nothing can get you since its pretty much only 1 way in, anything that enters gets its chest full of holes, and might die, only praetorian has any chances of getting in due to his super acid, but that's mid game usually or late game, by that time marines most likely went back to sulaco or something

We did this before. We got bitched at for it later on, as we held it for a good hour. Aliens charged in on us as soon as they saw the guy on the MG go SSD, which is the only reason we lost the position. Literally nobody could get to us though to reinforce, so what we had brought with us is what we had got. We tried to break out through the back, but the Aliens were watching those R-walls VERY closely..

[TopHatPenguin]

Why has nobody even damn placed a FOB Inside AI Upload? Its easy to take out turrets and all you do is hack a couple of doors, disable turrets easily or destroy them, then all you do is barricade it easily and nothing can get you since its pretty much only 1 way in, anything that enters gets its chest full of holes, and might die, only praetorian has any chances of getting in due to his super acid, but that's mid game usually or late game, by that time marines most likely went back to sulaco or something

We have a made a f.o.b in Ai Upload before and it worked really well.