Completely Disallow Intentional Breaching, for marines and aliens.

[HalfdeadKiller]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Completely and utterly disallow any intentional breaching, regardless of whether or not aliens can replace with Resin Walls.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

It'll stop with aliens almost always causing atmos issues, and help with round length.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):

Edit the rules to remove the part allowing breaching IF aliens can seal it with resin.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):

Rule Edit/Enforcement

[TopHatPenguin]

I would love for this to happen as it would mean no more space walking lone queen going around the station for ages and also it would stop the whole issue of when pressure and low oxygen screw up the entirety of nostromos causing marines to fall back.

[Aeleto]

This. Countless times I saw xenos do a shitty work at sealing breaches, fucking up atmos for the rest of round. It would also stop marines from using C4 to open a hole to space and escape the hive.

[Robin63]

Yhea, it is frustrating some times when things aren't re-sealed properly or if someone blows up part of the station to run away. Ruins it for everyone else.

[Butterrobber202]

Ahem. Fucknugget Marines throwing around welderbombs and frags like candy

[Cattivix]

This has to be a thing!

And yes,love how the SLs throw nades here an there,expecially near windows.

[UnknownMurder]

It's in the Temp. General Rule, I believe.

Ah. That's right, here it is.

Don't Mess with Atmos - TEMP RULE - For some weird reason, Atmos is currently acting up, were working on it, but for now, don't mess with pipes, air alarms, or canisters until we figure this out.

[TopHatPenguin]

It's in the Temp. General Rule, I believe.

Ah. That's right, here it is.

Don't Mess with Atmos - TEMP RULE - For some weird reason, Atmos is currently acting up, were working on it, but for now, don't mess with pipes, air alarms, or canisters until we figure this out.

Aye Unknown you are right but i believe the point here is that we want it so that you can't breach intentionally ever.. even after atmos is fixed..

[valzargaming]

+9001 against Aliens not being allowed to cause breaches

-1 against Marines not being allowed to cause breaches in the case of an engineer being present with intent to seal, expand, or otherwise navigate.

[apophis775]

Once we fix atmos, this won't be an issue...

But this is currently in effect temporarily.

[Cattivix]

Why the hell you want to remove breaching when atmos will be fixed?

-9000

[MrJJJ]

*Equips marine armor and a gas mask with full capacity and double internals* *never dies in space*

[HalfdeadKiller]

Currently i believe breaching is still allowed, due to the technicality of Rule number 9. "No Breaching - Breaching to space, for ANY REASON (unless, your an alien, and pre-seal the area with resin to prevent atmos loss) will result in a 24 hour (minimum) ban.". The part about "Unless you are an alien, and pre-seal the area with resin to prevent atmos loss)" still allows breaching. And from what I understand admins still allow it due to that exception to the rule. I would like to see that exception removed until atmos is fixed, because even though aliens seal it with resin, it can still screw up atmos. Aliens will still breach and seal with resin, but the resin is still likely to be destroyed via bullets, more so than the reinforced glass pane, then grille, then reinforced pane. Correct me if I am interpreting the current rules incorrectly.

Also. The temp rule does not specify breaching. And yes, the rules -shouldn't- be taken at face value, but i am sure enforcement of the rules can become inconsistent if things are interpreted differently by different staff, which means rules should probably either be updated more frequently, or clarified to provide consistent enforcement..

[Cattivix]

No,you are not wrong. Still,how do you want a queen to escape from her hive? By the way,the problem is aliens DOESNT seal it with resin either,and they just fuck up atmos. The solution is the banhammer. There are too much aliens who breach without sealing and without getting banned. Sadly,there isnt a message to the admins like "oh look a new breach".

Actually,there are no admins at all in a good 60% of the time I play.

[HalfdeadKiller]

Its simple. The queen doesn't escape. It dies. And the round isn't drawn out for 3 hours. And atmos is still intact. Yay! Two problems solved.

[Cattivix]

...the round doesnt end when the queen dies...actually,she would be THE ONLY ONE to die,because all the others can ventcrawl.

Also,about the 4 h rounds,thats another story.

[TopHatPenguin]

Cattvix what halfdead means is that normally if the hive is about to fall the queen and what other castes are left (Normally either the alien castes follow the queen or they vent.) will circle the station by space walking around, that is what drags the round out.

[Cattivix]

I know what he means,but this is not the solution. For two players who like camping in space you have to put a rule which will affect all the players? No,thanks.

Make big aliens slower in space,give them a timer and when its over they will get damage,I do not know,just dont prevent xenos to go to space.

Oh,you know what would happen too? Humans will be able to go in space because they can use airlocks everywhere,and aliens wont because they cant actually close airlocks as humans can.

[MrJJJ]

They suppose to get damage when out of plasma, but queen has waaaaay too great health regen and health to even take a single damage, unless you gonna increase it, she can stay there forever

[UnknownMurder]

That's being modified.

[valzargaming]

Sadly,there isnt a message to the admins like "oh look a new breach"..

Somebody grab Apophis and tell him to implement an admin verb that displays the status of all air alarms. Simple fix.

[Cattivix]

Somebody grab Apophis and tell him to implement an admin verb that displays the status of all air alarms. Simple fix.

Why? Admins can already check it with an air alarm computer,but still, there is no message popping up.

[speedybst]

Why? Admins can already check it with an air alarm computer,but still, there is no message popping up.

Actually, this assumes two things:
A) we're in-game, since there isn't an admin alerts verb that i've seen.
B) that the station alerts PC is still work and has power.

I like the idea of the alert, we have it for several other important things, so why not breaches.