Stop powergamey aliens

[UnknownMurder]

There are more "powergamey" marines than there are "powergamey" aliens. Just saying from admin experience. A marine is CHARGING alone at the alien hive... And later, the rest follows. This is what I find to be "powergamey" but most of us doesn't take actions toward to it. Why? Most of the aliens are prepped for it and it is so-called, "Roleplay".

[EastGermanStasi]

There are more "powergamey" marines than there are "powergamey" aliens. Just saying from admin experience. A marine is CHARGING alone at the alien hive... And later, the rest follows. This is what I find to be "powergamey" but most of us doesn't take actions toward to it. Why? Most of the aliens are prepped for it and it is so-called, "Roleplay".

That's not powergamey or powergame at all.
The definition of powergame is forcing your actions on others.
E.G.
/me walks up to the man shooting him instantly killing him.
I just forced death.
Of course GMOD RP and SS13 RP differ, essentially we are all powergaming in a sense since we can just walk up to someone and start beating the shit out of them, they have to have a decent response time to react. Unlike in GMOD you have to attempt or roll usually (Play to lose).

Anyhow a rambo running up to a hive isn't "powergamey." it's just fail RP unrealistic, fail fear and like said before. "Rambo rp."
It should be dealt ICLY, kid gets a court martial for insubordination or killed by aliens.
Easy done dealt o7

[Feweh]

Power-Gaming is having 4 helmets in your backpack and 3 Primary weapons.

The reason power-gaming is so intense in CM is because of the RP element and the obvious previous knowledge of what you're walking into. Yet you're supposed to have NO idea of what's going on beforehand.

[EastGermanStasi]

Power-Gaming is having 4 helmets in your backpack and 3 Primary weapons.

That's script whoring and a IC issue, someone taking every fucking thing? Yo jailed for looting/theft.

The reason power-gaming is so intense in CM is because of the RP element and the obvious previous knowledge of what you're walking into. Yet you're supposed to have NO idea of what's going on beforehand.

Using OOC knowledge for IC purposes is metagaming.
Not everything is POWERGAMING lol.

[Davidchan]

There are more "powergamey" marines than there are "powergamey" aliens. Just saying from admin experience. A marine is CHARGING alone at the alien hive... And later, the rest follows. This is what I find to be "powergamey" but most of us doesn't take actions toward to it. Why? Most of the aliens are prepped for it and it is so-called, "Roleplay".

That's... not powergaming at all. Marines through history have been known to charge into situation seemingly recklessly because their aggressive actions often throw the enemy into disarray. A Marine's job is to remove an enemy occupation force, so that Marine is probably doing more for roleplay than the dozen plus chuckle fucks sitting back at the FOB like Army Grunts.

Marines wearing Hardsuit Helmets and Bomb Hoods? Yeah that's power gaming. Marines stacking shotgun shell boxes with spare mags and pushing them into their belts, pockets and armor? Yeah that's power gaming. A marine doing his job and assaulting a fortified position? That's not power gaming. At all.

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I've often wondered how the aliens would fair if Resin Doors were removed or reduced in health so a single knife strike could cut them open. I really dislike how Aliens are using them; rows upon rows of nests because they know it slows marines, boxing nests from all sides 1-2 doors deep so they can walk in and swat a marine down while the marine can't move.

Even Drones/Hivelords just shitting down Walls/Doors to give themselves a shield in a fire fight, I was welding vents on the sulaco once while hunting drone, the bastard shat out a wall so I couldn't shoot him while he corroded a vent and left. If that's not the definition of powergaming, I really want to know what the admins are considering powergaming.

[EastGermanStasi]

If there's a problem with what the marine is wearing send a MP to jail him for looting.
smh

[Feweh]

Instead of directing quoting anyone and starting a argument I'll just post the page 1 google description of power gaming. Look back on my previous quote and it accurately sums up CM's power-gaming issues.

Powergaming (or power gaming) is a style of interacting with games or game-like systems, particularly video games, boardgames, and role-playing games, with the aim of maximising progress towards a specific goal, to the exclusion of other considerations such as storytelling, atmosphere and camaraderie. Due to its focus on the letter of the rules over the spirit of the rules, it is often seen as unsporting, un-fun, or unsociable. This behavior is most often found in games with a wide range of game features, lengthy campaigns or prize tournaments such as massively multiplayer or collectible games.

Highlighted the specific areas that really apply to what I mentioned previously.

[xomega000x]

Gonna have to agree with German here we don't need this, aliens don't need anymore nerfs currently, they really need one buff to bring them up to playing fields with marines.

That's why I suggested new species for the aliens, with new abilities.

[EastGermanStasi]

Instead of directing quoting anyone and starting a argument I'll just post the page 1 google description of power gaming. Look back on my previous quote and it accurately sums up CM's power-gaming issues.
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You literally quoted wikipedia.

Is that what this community is basing Powergaming off of? Wikipedia? Smh.
Here's the definitions since you people can't seem to get it through your head the 10th time I tell you.

[Feweh]

You literally quoted wikipedia.

Is that what this community is basing Powergaming off of? Wikipedia? Smh.
Here's the definitions since you people can't seem to get it through your head the 10th time I tell you.

The quote I gave accurately sums up the problem with CM, even if it's in your opinion it's not a good enough quote because it's from Wikipedia. But I mean hey, your opinion is more valid than Wikipedia I suppose. SMH

[Lostmixup]

You literally quoted wikipedia.

Is that what this community is basing Powergaming off of? Wikipedia? Smh.
Here's the definitions since you people can't seem to get it through your head the 10th time I tell you.

That second definition of powergaming doesn't seem quite... right. I mean if we went by that logic when I say "I'm going to shoot you in the face" and the shoot almost instantaneously that could be argued as powergaming by that definition. I may have chatted up a message but if I did it fast enough they wouldn't have had any time to react to it. The first definition seems like the much more accepted definiton, it's also on Wikipedia meaning it's widely accepted as being that definition.

EDIT: Also the first definition is a little less broad; the second definition, on the other hand, looks like a abridged version of the top one.

[EastGermanStasi]

The quote I gave accurately sums up the problem with CM, even if it's in your opinion it's not a good enough quote because it's from Wikipedia. But I mean hey, your opinion is more valid than Wikipedia I suppose. SMH

I mean if you are going to get salty over being told off by some kid on the internet poor you guess you should grow thicker skin.
Schools, University and Insittuions don't use WIKIPEDIA as a work cited due to the lack of credibility it holds, literally anyone can edit it.
Which it's why it's not preferred.
You should chill, I'm trying to explain the actual definition.

[EastGermanStasi]

That second definition of powergaming doesn't seem quite... right. I mean if we went by that logic when I say "I'm going to shoot you in the face" and the shoot almost instantaneously that could be argued as powergaming by that definition.

Yes it could.

Although difference between SS13 RP then any other RP is you can just attack someone out of the blue, you don't have to attempt, /roll or Playtolose your actions.

The first definition seems like the much more accepted definiton, it's also on Wikipedia meaning it's widely accepted as being that definition.

Are you out of your tree.
I could change it on wikipedia "powergaming is when you get power in a game."
Now it's the most widely accepted because it's on wikipedia.
See the flaws in your logic.

[coroneljones]

Metagaming,knowledge that you wouldnt know ingame or out of character depending
Powergame,playing to win..

Belive that sums it up

[Adjective]

Aliens do in fact need needed in some areas. Marines do too actually. I think this idea would be nice in theory, but as Fick said, there is no way to enforce it unless Adkins enforce it. A code wouldn't be worth it because as said before all this would do is make aliens not wanted to he played. I do agree marines can sometimes find it hell to escape. But if you go look at Nataly and Isaac (Not listing byond ID'S without their permission), they escape on multiple occasions from the most well defended nests.

-Neutral-

[Lostmixup]

Are you out of your tree.
I could change it on wikipedia "powergaming is when you get power in a game."
Now it's the most widely accepted because it's on wikipedia.
See the flaws in your logic.

I'm saying it's widely accepted because it's on wikipedia, it doesn't mean that it's 100% accurate, just the most accepted definition usually. Also they do have people that moderate wikipedia a tad nowadays I'm pretty sure, so the info is much more reliable than in the past. They also have references at the bottom you can check to see if the source info is credible or not.

Also this isn't a college course where you need to site from "scholarly sources" and such.

Here's some definitions of Powergaming in a few different senses by standard players:

RPG.net
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?904 ... aming-quot
"To maximize the effectiveness of their charter." (this site has more user definitions than the others, this quote was taken from one of the post)

WoW Fourms
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1306050810
"Forcing actions on another player." (This is actually your definition, but I find it to be too simple personally because forcing actions on another player can be defined as a lot of things in a video game)

Urban Dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... powergamer
"A gamer who learnes the rules of a game inside and out to perfection in order to become the best at that game." "...a power gamer might sacrifice role-playing in favor of more power for his character..." (besides the misspelling of "learns" it's actually a pretty good definition of powergaming)

Metagaming,knowledge that you wouldnt know ingame or out of character depending
Powergame,playing to win..

Belive that sums it up

(this one is an oversimplified, but incredibly true definition of PGing)

I think there's a difference between table top PGing and video game PGing. Table top PGing is not giving a player any time to respond to something or other and maxing your character to be as efficient as possible regardless of RP. Video game PGing seems to be more akin to sacrificing RP for the sake of winning a round or completing an objective. Both of these can include killing a character instantly for no reason, in the context of this post however it's the aliens being as efficient as possible, and using the cheapest strategies possible, to protect themselves and the hive. Essentially as CJ put it, "playing to win".

I still don't agree with the suggestion that there should be a rule against this because it's simply near impossible to enforce a rule like this, and the players simply have the right, in my opinion, to play how they please. This is the same thing as camping in an FPS (based on the example given by the poster, Brainkada in the summary), it isn't the most fair or fun for everyone strategy and isn't simply fixed by yelling at the people doing it and calling them cheap. It requires the devs (or admins in this case) to find a way to stop it that is both enjoyable and effective.

TLDR Version: Still -1 to the suggestion. Enforcing a rule like this wouldn't be very fun for anyone and would lead to false reporting constantly.

[EastGermanStasi]

Metagaming,knowledge that you wouldnt know ingame or out of character depending
Powergame,playing to win..

Belive that sums it up

Finally a fellow archangeler who knows their shit.

[Juninho77]

After 40 posts and one week, I believe we can finally settle that one.

[Feweh]

Finally a fellow archangeler who knows their shit.

You spent the last entire page shitting up a perfectly good discussion about power-gaming over the definition of power-gaming because in YOUR OPINION it wasn't correct.

Only in the end to settle on essentially EXACTLY what I and a couple of other people wrote just in longer wording?

AND to top it off you went off on me being upset regarding all this only for you to STILL carry on this debate after numerous other people tried to settle it with their opinion on the definition of power-gaming.

Suggestion is clearly fucking over, but holy shit German you fucked yourself with a heavy dose of irony here. Forget any future credibility from you, god damn.

[Lostmixup]

You spent the last entire page shitting up a perfectly good discussion about power-gaming over the definition of power-gaming because in YOUR OPINION it wasn't correct.

Only in the end to settle on essentially EXACTLY what I and a couple of other people wrote just in longer wording?

AND to top it off you went off on me being upset regarding all this only for you to STILL carry on this debate after numerous other people tried to settle it with their opinion on the definition of power-gaming.

Suggestion is clearly fucking over, but holy shit German you fucked yourself with a heavy dose of irony here. Forget any future credibility from you, god damn.

Let's end it with, suggestion rejected.

[MrJJJ]

THIS THREAD HAS GONE OFF THE RAILS AND IS REQUESTED TO BE LOCKED[

[Briankada]

THIS THREAD HAS GONE OFF THE RAILS AND IS REQUESTED TO BE LOCKED[

Seconded. As OP can I lock?

[Juninho77]

No, you can't, but I think CJ will do that soon.

[apophis775]

Denied.

The aliens, are free to assign guards to the nest as they see fit. I mean, in ALL the games and movies, they have guards at the nests.

If you manage to stand up, pickup your boot-knife, and start cutting yer way out. If you see aliens, slip it back in.