Remove eating bodies/devouring them along with decap after death.

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Remove eating bodies/devouring them along with decap after death.

Post by tenshar » 04 Aug 2015, 19:25

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):Aliens do not devour the dead..and due to the inner mouth there is no way they could swallow a human whole. As seen in the movies/games the dead are never eaten or desecrated in any way and the action of doing so in game is clearly meta intended to prevent cloning. The reason for the bodies not being harmed/eaten is because to the aliens they are nothing, not food or anything since they don't actually eat to sustain themselves. It also makes no sense how a 7 foot tall creature with a body design much like that of a human rib cage could hold a live human within. Of any perhaps the queen is the only with the size to do such, but with no reason to. In fact any destruction of corpses should be seen as intended meta or bad roleplay as the aliens do not have any reason to destroy the body

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):Bring aliens a bit more in line with actual canon, reduce meta.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):Make it so once a marine bursts the body is left alone

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):Remove the ability to eat bodies/live marines from the code.

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Re: Remove eating bodies/devouring them along with decap after death.

Post by xywenx00 » 04 Aug 2015, 19:30

I think in Alien vs Predator (No idea which movie) I saw a alien eat a animal or human with it's inner mouth. Not sure, though.
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Post by tenshar » 04 Aug 2015, 19:32

AvP was the only movie to show such, as the warriors in it did eat some of their victims. Even with this one reference at no point was full on body swallowing or decapitation/body destruction with no intent to feed present.

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Post by Tetsip » 04 Aug 2015, 20:15

I know devouring will stay because of a balance reason. Devour bodies allows for the aliens to drag prey through tunnels or run with them into the hive for infecting. It also serves to heal them AND clean up the hive once a body is dead or chestbursts. If you remove this function aliens lose a bit of mobility with victims and a source of healing.

You can EASILY kill an alien that devoured you when conscious by stabbing it with your knife while swallowed. No reason to remove. -1
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Post by tenshar » 06 Aug 2015, 01:34

Devouring still makes no sense, its not like they are BFB from austin powers shouting "Get in mah belly", these are slim bio-mechanical looking killing machines how one would even fit in a vent with a person inside is beyond me. Honestly, if someone gets face hugged being swallowed should wake them up much faster after they successfuly get turned into an infected host because the hugger would realize the host is in danger and release after infecting, like the scene where Ripley 8 was underwater and held off a hugger in part because if the hugger had knocked her out then and there she would of died so it didn't attempt to tail choke her.

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Post by Allan1234 » 06 Aug 2015, 09:15

tenshar wrote:Devouring still makes no sense, its not like they are BFB from austin powers shouting "Get in mah belly"
i did that once

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Post by Derpislav » 06 Aug 2015, 09:42

It just needs one change - make aliens vomit up all bodies the've devoured on death so they can be rescued/cloned. I once saw an alium that realized he's going to die, so he just ate the recently facehugged marine next to him and huehuehueheuheuheuhue charged at the marines.
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Re: Remove eating bodies/devouring them along with decap after death.

Post by Jeser » 06 Aug 2015, 10:19

Derpislav wrote:It just needs one change - make aliens vomit up all bodies the've devoured on death so they can be rescued/cloned. I once saw an alium that realized he's going to die, so he just ate the recently facehugged marine next to him and huehuehueheuheuheuhue charged at the marines.
That's should be done definitely.
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Post by apophis775 » 13 Sep 2015, 14:18

I believe it already does force-vomit living bodies on death.

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Post by GingerCultLeader » 13 Sep 2015, 15:01

Aliens also vomit all bodies upon Evolution.

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Post by apophis775 » 13 Sep 2015, 15:22

Confirmed then, this is already in?

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Post by GingerCultLeader » 13 Sep 2015, 15:32

The evolution thing is kind of a side note though. Bodies are eventually destroyed within the alien resulting in a ghost with no choice but to remain a ghost, be a pAI, hope the nest is fruitful, or wait for Response Team.

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Post by Evilkyle24 » 13 Sep 2015, 16:09

apophis775 wrote:I believe it already does force-vomit living bodies on death.
It didn't last time I got eaten. I set a nade off inside the thing and I was in there for a full minute before suffocating.
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Post by Gamerofthegame » 13 Sep 2015, 17:54

I thiiiink you might have to cut the corpse to do it? Inside or out.

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Post by WyattH » 13 Sep 2015, 21:16

+1 on the having aliens stop de-capping dead humans, there's no point for them to do so IC, it's meta to prevent the cloning

-1 on the devouring, it makes sense to give the aliens a way to remove prey quickly to the nest or remove unused corpses in the nest as well, also I have been killed as an alien and all of the corpses inside of me came out at once, so I don't think that's an issue

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Post by TR-BlackDragon » 14 Sep 2015, 13:09

Also if you are going to WA nt to stop aliens from beheading then make it a rule that marines can't fake death gasp. The only reason I behead marines is because I've had many fake death. Using either the /me command or some in game command. If aliens are killing then it's near end round and humans pretending to die is just a round delayer

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Post by Gentlefood » 14 Sep 2015, 14:51

apophis775 wrote:I believe it already does force-vomit living bodies on death.
I've never seen it on death, only on evolution because of how that works mechanically.

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Post by Arachnidnexus » 14 Sep 2015, 17:22

I've seen and caused xenos to force-vomit living and dead bodies on the death. Maybe you saw a bug?

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Post by WyattH » 14 Sep 2015, 17:52

TR-BlackDragon wrote:Also if you are going to WA nt to stop aliens from beheading then make it a rule that marines can't fake death gasp. The only reason I behead marines is because I've had many fake death. Using either the /me command or some in game command. If aliens are killing then it's near end round and humans pretending to die is just a round delayer
Hugged humans, humans in crit, humans hiding in things, all don't count as living humans. None of these groups are round-delaying if they're alive, you're just pretending not to know this to get your muderboner satisfied.

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Post by TR-BlackDragon » 14 Sep 2015, 23:55

A human who is able to fake death is not in crit. I had one fake death. Then a few moments later after I turned away jumped up and started shooting me in the ass

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Post by Densane » 15 Sep 2015, 01:00

+1 due to the fact that eating more than one marine with a backpack full of ammunition makes the delete proc go "OH SWEET BABY JEZUS PLS NO HAVE MERCY!" and lags the server to high hell while it attempts to remove every single shell from that person from the world.

When a full squad is whipped and they all remove the bodies via consuming/stomach acid, everything noticeably goes to hell.

At least, that's what that one dev doing the streamlining and improvement passes said.

-1 if they can find a way around it.
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Post by Arachnidnexus » 15 Sep 2015, 08:55

The lag is honestly the worst part about eating bodies right now. Don't care too much about decapping since Ravagers target weak points in lore and aliens generally tend to murder and impregnate at different rates.

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Post by Mitchs98 » 24 Oct 2015, 23:03

+1. Remove the ability for aliens to do...anything..with dead marines aside from like drag them to a corpse storage 'clean up' area. It causes nothing but lag and salt, it is done for no reason other than to metagame cloning under the guise of 'it makes the hive look better'.

It literally causes gamebreaking lag at times. Why hasn't anything been done about this than arbitrary warnings no one listens to about it causing lag cause 'lel, no rules here m80.'. It's gotten so bad I've considered regularly playing alien Queen and barring the xeno from eating the dead and instead having a small storage area for them.

It should also highly be against the rules to de-cap and melt heads.

-1 on disallowing then to eat live bodies for transport. They need that, honestly.

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Post by Samual Johnson » 25 Oct 2015, 12:28

While I agree that it doesn't make sense in Canon id say it should be left in due to the need to carry hosts to the hive so -1.

But I do think once bursted they shouldn't usually devour the bodies just as clean up if nothing else the bodies can just be moved to a spot that's out of the way I see the little lakes used for that purpose quite often.

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Post by Toroic » 25 Oct 2015, 20:50

Mitchs98 wrote:+1. Remove the ability for aliens to do...anything..with dead marines aside from like drag them to a corpse storage 'clean up' area. It causes nothing but lag and salt, it is done for no reason other than to metagame cloning under the guise of 'it makes the hive look better'.

It literally causes gamebreaking lag at times. Why hasn't anything been done about this than arbitrary warnings no one listens to about it causing lag cause 'lel, no rules here m80.'. It's gotten so bad I've considered regularly playing alien Queen and barring the xeno from eating the dead and instead having a small storage area for them.

It should also highly be against the rules to de-cap and melt heads.

-1 on disallowing then to eat live bodies for transport. They need that, honestly.
I think you grossly overestimate the difference this would make.

Eating corpses causes lag, but it doesn't significantly reduce the amount of cloning that happens.
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