Alien distinction

[Gamerofthegame]

Aliens does not need an OOC distinction. That should be found in end game results. Otherwise, people are going to be playing a favorite game called, Favoritism.

I don't see how you can rally behind favoritism, especially with aliens. How would that work? You can't take from other aliens outside of maybe the queen role. Marines are the ones with limited resources that have to be divvied out amongst each other and I don't even see a lot of favoritism there.

[UnknownMurder]

I don't see how you can rally behind favoritism, especially with aliens. How would that work? You can't take from other aliens outside of maybe the queen role. Marines are the ones with limited resources that have to be divvied out amongst each other and I don't even see a lot of favoritism there.

I see you like to play that kind of a game. That's okay. I love games.
Here are possibilities people will do:
-Stick with their buddies
-Criticizing people of their past (and refusing to cooperate)
-A 'Champion Model'. (Sticking with the known robustness you've never seen in combat.)
-Queen says, "This drone will get a Jelly, but not you. Because he is better than you in many areas. I can tell the future."

[TR-BlackDragon]

So then we should make it so marines are unknown and always set to random names as well then to stop any and all favoritism yes? So by what your saying um is there should be no known people to know who is who. Gotta make it fair all around. I'm mean oh god the favoritism.....

[UnknownMurder]

Marines are a different matter.

[TR-BlackDragon]

There is no differnce. If there can be favoritism in one faction then there might be in the other. So then we need to make sure that can't be done and force marine names to be randomized. By your logic this is what we must do. Because your taking the names used for ooc purposes. I mean come on now. There is no difference. You just are one sided on the matter instead of staying open minded.

[Evilkyle24]

Marines are a different matter.

How?

[UnknownMurder]

Birds don't ask why they fly.
Fish don't ask why they swim.
Humans don't ask why they have a name unless you have a girly name.

We humans are raised in that specifically way. Being raised and nurtured by our mother. The alien race species are different. Their mother does not cradle them in their crib. They do not nurture their children the same way we do. They're called connected by hive mind, we are not. Queen should tell the difference between their child using hive mind. We have brains containing memories of the children. Don't say, the power of love will help us remember.

[Evilkyle24]

... What?

[UnknownMurder]

Exactly what I meant.

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[Evilkyle24]

Exactly what I meant.

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Hey, I marked it as a spoiler.

Now go fight the skulls with their only weaknesses. Cardboard Boxes and CQC.

Aliens need an OOC tag so that players who play Aliens can get recognition for their achievements.

[TR-BlackDragon]

Birds don't ask why they fly.
Fish don't ask why they swim.
Humans don't ask why they have a name unless you have a girly name.

We humans are raised in that specifically way. Being raised and nurtured by our mother. The alien race species are different. Their mother does not cradle them in their crib. They do not nurture their children the same way we do. They're called connected by hive mind, we are not. Queen should tell the difference between their child using hive mind. We have brains containing memories of the children. Don't say, the power of love will help us remember.

Dude UM your missing the entire point of what this is for. See what your going into is ic in ooc. The whole name thing here is for ooc purposes nothing to do with ic. Your mind is apparently thinking they want this for ic naming. No this is for ooc information only. Nothing to do with ic..


Leave the numbers but add in brackets the person's key after it. That way icly they are still nameless but we all know who is who so for the community. They know who the people are. UM please stop being single minded here.

[GingerCultLeader]

Now I know how to fight the skulls! NOOOOOOOOO! I can't forget it now!!!

[1262]

Aliens does not need an OOC distinction. That should be found in end game results. Otherwise, people are going to be playing a favorite game called, Favoritism.

That said, why don't we make marines spawn with randon names every time? Look at things like "Banter squad" or "Sanctum". Favoritism or just a simple preference will always be there but as long as staff remains professional in their judgement of regular/veteran players it's not such a huge issue.

Tags for OOC distinction are a big +1 from me because not only you can get your praise over the rounds but it's easier to report aliens who go against the rules without having to remember strings of random numbers. Communication between aliens will also be improved. Also, if you looked at the hivemind chat, aliens are everything but in-character and devoid of personality BECAUSE of the lack of consequence saying random shit for giggles bears. With the identifiers in place people might restrain their tongues a little.

[Sailor Dave]

Birds don't ask why they fly.
Fish don't ask why they swim.
Humans don't ask why they have a name unless you have a girly name.

We humans are raised in that specifically way. Being raised and nurtured by our mother. The alien race species are different. Their mother does not cradle them in their crib. They do not nurture their children the same way we do. They're called connected by hive mind, we are not. Queen should tell the difference between their child using hive mind. We have brains containing memories of the children. Don't say, the power of love will help us remember.

This is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the suggestion. For one, and it's amazing that this even bears repeating so much, this IS NOT IC. This is not some unique IC alien name they have given themselves. They are not Grognar the Destroyer. This is an OOC tag associated with an alien to distinguish them for their performance. Good marines have the benefit of becoming well-known and respected. On that point, favoritism crops up ALL THE TIME with marines, and it is NOT an IC thing. It's an OOC bias, and if it has to exist, there is no reason it shouldn't exist with the aliens as well.

Aliens deserve to be recognized for their good performance, just the same as marines. What if someone, like myself, prefers to play aliens instead of marines? Don't they deserve recognition? I remember recently there was a case of a runner who hunted EXCELLENTLY in the Sulaco, surviving for a long time and managing to assassinate SEVERAL marines. But nobody knows who that runner is. Is that fair? I wouldn't think so.

+1 to the suggestion from me.

Edit:

I see you like to play that kind of a game. That's okay. I love games.
Here are possibilities people will do:
-Stick with their buddies
-Criticizing people of their past (and refusing to cooperate)
-A 'Champion Model'. (Sticking with the known robustness you've never seen in combat.)
-Queen says, "This drone will get a Jelly, but not you. Because he is better than you in many areas. I can tell the future."

I feel like this should be addressed as well, these are ALL issues that would, and probably DO, occur with marines even MORESO than aliens. First off, that first one is something marines ALWAYS do and there is no reason aliens should not be able to WORK TOGETHER reliably with people they know they are effective with. The second one, same issue with marines. Third issue, see first issue. The last one would probably be against the rules, so could just be adminhelped.

[Gamerofthegame]

The last one is moot anyway because there isn't a jelly chokepoint, it's just a matter of getting to queen/base.

[Evilkyle24]

I see you like to play that kind of a game. That's okay. I love games.
Here are possibilities people will do:
-Stick with their buddies
-Criticizing people of their past (and refusing to cooperate)
-A 'Champion Model'. (Sticking with the known robustness you've never seen in combat.)
-Queen says, "This drone will get a Jelly, but not you. Because he is better than you in many areas. I can tell the future."

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8049550 !!!
The marines are not notably affected by favoritism, and jelly has always been a first come first serve basis! If the aliens donate plasma, its always available!

[UnknownMurder]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8049618
The Judge has spoken.
Also, I know all types of Queen players.

[Sailor Dave]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8049618
The Judge has spoken.
Also, I know all types of Queen players.

Okay, that's good for you, but not all of us do. We've given several good reasons why this would be a good idea. Just saying no straight up doesn't make any sense. Why would you still reject it? Do you have an actual reason? I hope it's not because you're biased towards the marines. Not that I'm accusing you, I just hope that isn't the case.

[Steelpoint]

I think its more thematic, aliens never really had much personal distinction outside of extreme cases, such as 6 having a number burned into its head of the other alien that had wire marks over its head.

I also think its going to be more annoying as a Marine seeing these weird OOC names on all the Aliens we are fighting, I suppose if it were markings only Aliens and Ghosts can see I won't have as much problem with it. Otherwise though I prefer the appearance of the aliens not being uniquely identifiable in a OOC context.

[Sailor Dave]

I don't know what the distinction should be exactly, but it should be something visible to everyone. That's the point. Everyone can see the names of marines and know who they are. Having a name means they can have a reputation, whether it's IC or OOC. Aliens deserve the same kind of attention. It's about more than just appearance.

[Gamerofthegame]

If you're really worried about names messing with your jive you could just have a specific number string you could set. (And disallow 666, obv)

[Jeser]

I don't like the idea of some OOC nicknames for aliens at all, but I would be okay with it if those nicknames will be visible only for aliens and ghosts, yeah.

[Evilkyle24]

Someone give a reason other than "I don't like it" and "Muh Immersions".
We've given you a gameplay and community reason, so people can identify who does well at aliens and get them the recognition they deserve.

Let me reiterate this with relation to the Predator applications. Someone could mainly play Alien for a month, apply for predator, and be denied because nobody knew who they were, since they were just an alien with numbers on their name.

[canon35]

I say do it. We could just combine this with the other suggestion for xeno nicknames.

[Meww]

+1 +1 +1 +1

As a player who's awful at marines and loves playing aliens, I think its kind of ridiculous that this gets shot down so easily. We're ALREADY breaking lore, no matter how we try we're not a proper hivemind. Every alien is an individual that refers to the queen, but isn't an extension of her. I know it makes it nice and neat and lore-proper to have them be nameless and faceless but its like punishing them for playing alien, in regards to predator and mod apps. No one knows the hard work and cool stuff alien players do, just because of what they choose to play as, which isn't really fair at all.

And others have proposed great additions- make it a set number, OOC only, its not like we're requesting everyone personalizes their nickname to be super fancy. just SOME recognizability.

And as for the 'FAAAVORITISM' the exact same thing applies to marines, always. A queen who doesnt give someone jelly is straight up sabotaging herself- Pretty much every queen i've seen who was halfway decent gave EVERYONE jelly, because they understood the need for T2 and 3s. and if they're bad enough to not give jelly on accounts of favoritism- well, they're bad enough that they'll die some other stupid way anyway. And aliens sticking with buddies? GOOD! they should be sticking together anyway!! Time and time again i've yelled as queen 'GO IN GROUPS' but no one really cares about the other hivemembers so they go solo.
Criticizing people because of their past is a marine problem too! All these things apply to marines too.

CM doesn't adhere PERFECTLY to lore, because its a game and it cant. And this is meant to be OOC only, anyway. I think its unfair to alien players, and maybe more people would want to play alien if it meant they could still apply for things and get recognition.