Flashlight/Vest Light Rework

[Troydav98]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):
I was watching Alien VS Predator today and saw the Marines dropping like flies. So I asked myself why did they die so quickly? The Simple answer was that the lights or flash lights were pointed forward and not in a 360 decree like BayStation12/SS13 code allows lights to do.
Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
This would make the game seem more realistic and possibly more lore friendly.Just imagine how freaked out the marines would be and not be like well that just happened.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):
If you make the lights from your shoulder light and flashlight point forward you would have marine checking behind them if they felt in danger. This may also be a buff toward the aliens allowing them to work in the dark how they are suppose to.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):
Just change the coding of the lights (i think)

[Gandalf]

This is probably going to get dismissed hard by everyone, but I personally like the idea - on the condition that they become more powerful in exchange.

Xeno stealth tactics are kinda limited considering the 360 spread, the only options are hide/stealth as huntercaste or using a ranged ability from the shadows. I think sneaking up from behind, and conversely having a squadmember on rearguard would add another level of skill and payoff for everyone involved.

[Troydav98]

This is probably going to get dismissed hard by everyone, but I personally like the idea - on the condition that they become more powerful in exchange.

Xeno stealth tactics are kinda limited considering the 360 spread, the only options are hide/stealth as huntercaste or using a ranged ability from the shadows. I think sneaking up from behind, and conversely having a squadmember on rearguard would add another level of skill and payoff for everyone involved.

Thank you for understanding my idea this would make marines have to work together 10x harder to win.

[coolsurf6]

As much as alot of people are going to hate this, i give this a hard +1!
Its essential for the aliens to be sneaky otherwise they go down quite easily sometimes. The byond code cant have aliens climbing the roofs as its not 3d so the only way is to be in the shadows but if a whole squad with flares and flashlights (thank god it does not work like tg due to the lights acumulate so one flash light + one flare would be the entire screen). I love this but i dont think this is possible unless they make the code from scratch or get it from

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[monkeysfist101]

+1 but if I recall correctly, Apop said it couldn't be done at least for the near future.

[forwardslashN]

+1

+1 but if I recall correctly, Apop said it couldn't be done at least for the near future.

I could have sworn I've seen this actually done before, ages ago. I'd have to take a look at lighting code, but I'm pretty sure it should be possible. Edit: Apparently Bay updated lighting to be very different from the older design, so I can see why cones would be an issue.

[Hycinth]

+1, not likely to happen.

[Jeser]

I already suggested this month ago. It was denied. So...

[Troydav98]

Well i didn't get much flame or hate nor salt so I'm happy!!!

[SUPERMAN112]

yeah many people have made this suggestion including myself, but it was denied, cool idea though

[LordLoko]

Hey look, this thread again.

[Sanchez13]

It would be nice if it was implemented IMO: it would encourage squad coherency and make alium ambushes more viable. Though we may have to wait until the coders are less pressed as of late for it to be implemented.

[Troydav98]

Hey look, this thread again.

What do you mean???

[Jeser]

What do you mean???

Basically, he meant this:

yeah many people have made this suggestion including myself, but it was denied, cool idea though

I already suggested this month ago. It was denied. So...

[MauroVega]

Neutral

This would be so f+++++ awesome but rip the coding

[Troydav98]

I'm still sad even thought this is a very good Idea and also told by the people above ^ that Apohp cant do it or said its not possible

[Logi99]

1+. When xenos get raided by marines, I normally try to stealth shit but I always know that flashlight is pointing everywhere around it hence I can't stealth them mf. I really don't care if they don't do this. But if the coders have nothing to do (not likely) they should use this and try coding this suggestion.

[Troydav98]

Shameless Bump

[ZDashe]

+1, even if it's not gonna happen.

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Nobody dislikes this idea. Truthfully, we all want it.

But there's no good, clear way to do it unfortunately. It's just not possible at the current time.

[Troydav98]

Will the Code not allow it at all???

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Will the Code not allow it at all???

When I say "there's no way to do it", I do not mean to say it is outright impossible. But from what we can tell, there's no efficient way to do it without bringing the server to it's knees.

[forwardslashN]

Baystation code just doesn't allow for it without heavy hacking and modification, or outright rewriting. Lighting taxes the system since it's a dynamic thing kind of like atmos, so even with hacks or mods it would be stupid to run it constantly unless it's super efficient. And it won't be if you have it hacked for something it's not designed to do. The newest tgstation can be modded to allow directional lighting, and they have tried apparently, but that would require switching over to that system instead of bay lighting. Not the hardest change to make, but still pretty daunting and time consuming in my opinion.

[Troydav98]

I know this is something A LOT of people want including myself so could this be like a side project or like a work in progress (not something you focus on a good part of the day.) like take 1 hour of your day to code (if your restarting from scratch) or converting the code? I know you devs and other who work on the game are awesome in general, but i do take time like you do to play other games do other things play this game and even (possible) work. But I'm asking you like 30 mins to an hour a day for a month to see how much you get done with this idea that the community in general likes. If you don't I completely understand, and thank you for you time to read my posts about this Idea to make the server/game better for every one

[Jen_Llama]

You're asking them to change their entire codebase for some flashlights and re-do all the work they've done in baycode into TGcode. That said, even if this was all still done, the lag this would generate would make the game near unplayable.