Make all Marine gloves insulated

[Kilm]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Autistic Engineers building autism forts causing people to go into Crit thanks to lag, etc, by striking against the electrified walls. Lets make all Marine gloves insulated to stop people getting hurt due to the shitty nature of BYOND

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): Means less people are likely to kill the Engineer for being an autist

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Just give all the Marine issue gloves the same features as the insulated gloves

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Code

[Sargeantmuffinman]

Please tell me,why on Earth do people use autism as a comment to something?

[Azmodan412]

Because they don't want to point out their own failings. Fun fact: a GOOD engineer puts failsafes on the marine side so marines DON'T walk into the e-grilles. You want to nerf engineers and reward other marines for their stupidity? Ha no. -1

[Kilm]

Please tell me,why on Earth do people use autism as a comment to something?

Read the definition of autism. I generally don't use it, but in this instance, it's appropriate as those grilles really do stop friendships happening.

Because they don't want to point out their own failings. Fun fact: a GOOD engineer puts failsafes on the marine side so marines DON'T walk into the e-grilles. You want to nerf engineers and reward other marines for their stupidity? Ha no. -1

Yes, a GOOD one does. SHIT ones don't and two Marines died today or were put into crit because of unprotected grilles, narrow movement spaces and generally BYOND lag. This doesn't nerf engineers at all, if anything, it empowers the Engineer to really go to town on it as he doesn't have to worry about shocking his squadmates. It's a fucking boon for the engineer AND marines.

[Jack McIntyre]

Why do all these new people come in and think that they should be prevented from making stupid mistakes? No -1, I'm sorry mate, hate to be blunt, but it seems like the newer people are to the community or maybe you just posted at the wrong time I seen other suggestions from newer folks, the more they make suggestions like these and to be honest the electric grilles are a two edged sword. They can't just harm xenos, have to punish idiots on the marine side too, this is Colonial marines, but both sides are players and both sides should be able to have fun.

[Azmodan412]

Whats stopping standard marines from setting up marine defenses then? Engineers, with this, are just glorified privates. Why not make every standard marine an engineer then?

[Kilm]

Why do all these new people come in and think that they should be prevented from making stupid mistakes? No -1, I'm sorry mate, hate to be blunt, but it seems like the newer people are to the community

I've been here longer than you if you look at the join dates. I just tend not to bother with the Forums. That's not a great focus point for your statement.

This is nothing to do with anything other than, the electric grilles work well, if used properly, but many engineers don't use them properly and Marines, poor, innocent Marines, get hurt because BYOND is an imperfect (shit) gaming platform and other issues. I've often lagged walked into a grille.

Whats stopping standard marines from setting up marine defenses then? Engineers, with this, are just glorified privates. Why not make every standard marine an engineer then?

This would ideally tie into another suggestion I saw somewhere, and one I made in another thread, about only Engineers having build menus for grilles / walls / etc. Give them a proper, role specific purpose. There is nothing stopping Marines from doing what an Engineer does just now. Some suggestions can stand alone, some need to be joined to other suggestions, and insulated gloves with role specific build functions for engineers would I think, be a great combo.

[Azmodan412]

Anyone can make grilles, walls and such, its in the code for things that can pick up metal IE not xenos. Also, insulting mods+ is generally a way to get shit treatment from the staff. They have memories like elephants. I believe what Jack is referring to is that he is a mod and you are a regular player. As Jack said, electrified grilles are a double edged sword, and in real life electricity is double-edged. Sure it powers your home, but as studies show, 28 people die per year due to electrical shock. Sure that's not a lot, but it DOES happen. And the role specific purpose? They build. They are immune to electrical shock because engineers have the training to be allowed insulated gloves.

[Kilm]

Anyone can make grilles, walls and such, its in the code for things that can pick up metal IE not xenos. Also, insulting mods+ is generally a way to get shit treatment from the staff. They have memories like elephants. I believe what Jack is referring to is that he is a mod and you are a regular player. As Jack said, electrified grilles are a double edged sword, and in real life electricity is double-edged. Sure it powers your home, but as studies show, 28 people die per year due to electrical shock. Sure that's not a lot, but it DOES happen. And the role specific purpose? They build. They are immune to electrical shock because engineers have the training to be allowed insulated gloves.

Show me the insult? I certainly didn't make one.

Anyway, back on topic, my whole point was that BYOND is a poor platform, it causes issues with gameplay, people get hurt on things like grilles if it's done badly, which it often is, and by giving all marine gloves insulation, AND looking at other tweaks to the engineer to make them more role specific, everyone would come out a winner. Clearly people have issues with this idea, which completely contradicts what I see in game with people going stark fucking crazy over this.

[spheretech]

I lag alot and I almost never hit electrified grilles. The downside of having an op xeno repellant is that you may get hurt accidentally. And it doesn't hurt that bad anyway.

[Azmodan412]

I've been here longer than you if you look at the join dates.-snip
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[Azmodan412]

I lag alot and I almost never hit electrified grilles. The downside of having an op xeno repellant is that you may get hurt accidentally. And it doesn't hurt that bad anyway.

And with medics who do nothing but circlejerk until there's wounded, you are going to be the focus of this:

[Jack McIntyre]

Right not a mod anymore, still have the tag, but probably coming back so just to clear the air there, but glad my point was made. As some have mentioned this makes the engineer's job less useful since everyone who has building knowledge would then start doing electric grilles when they shouldn't be because there has already been threads on what standards should know and building a grille that would be electrified was never on the list. I get if you get annoyed when you step into one by accident and such, but honestly if xenos have a grille that can't break unless they use a crusher to charge and them touching it stuns them, I think the marines could be alright if they get the same aspect of touching a electrified grille. They shouldn't be immune either is my point.

[MauroVega]

IF they kill the engineer man are the retarded,While i agree they can damage both sides its a price to pay for a defense like that so -1

[Sargeantmuffinman]

I wouldn't consider it autistic but more of the word annoying as hell to bump into one and people generally just blame the engineers for it. In certain cases it you could say autisitc but I could say and yell at the engie to "PREVENT THIS SHIT FROM HAPPENING ENGIE!". Telling them as a standard to do this would just irritate them and I'd rahter not,depending on who it is of course. If it's a good engineer,remind them of this,if it ain't then just yell at them or do it yourself.

And on to the topic of the gloves:

Well I got nothing,sorry for wasting anyones time.

[Veradox]

Pretty much summed up in that if you hurt yourself on a grille, call a medic and then fix it yourself.

[Wickedtemp]

Might as well toss out the entire engineer role at this point, seriously.

Marines already know how to do pretty much EVERYTHING, except for more advanced medical stuff. And I bet we'll probably see a suggestion wanting to let standards do that as well.

No. You are a marine. You are a soldier. You chose to play as a grunt with a gun, go play as a grunt with a gun. If you want to do engie stuff, choose that job.

-1

[Egorkor]

don't egrilles hurt even if you wear insulateds though.

[Disco Dalek]

And with medics who do nothing but circlejerk until there's wounded, you are going to be the focus of this:

Exactly this. Grille burns are a great form of entertainment for the medics. On a slow round, I just love that little zapping sound. Besides, we'd never get to use those burn kits otherwise.

[Tristan63]

-1 This wouldn't make sense on a command basis, who would distribute expensive Insulated glove pairs with SQUAD COLORS on them to every soldier?

[MrJJJ]

I've been here longer than you if you look at the join dates. I just tend not to bother with the Forums. That's not a great focus point for your statement.

And because you were too dumb to realise that it does not matter how long it has been since you joined the forums and byond, but as long as you undestand what you are doing and what to do, you litteraly caring about the fact that you joined earlier than someone and boasting about it, not exactly a great way to establish yourself with the community
-1 for suggestion, learn to not touch griles then even if you lag?

[MauroVega]

don't egrilles hurt even if you wear insulateds though.

No

[Edgelord]

I don't like egrilles, I build them but that's only because it's effective. Personally I wish it was replaced with barbed wire.

That aside marine gloves have zero reason to be insulated. Engineer incompetence is no reason to buff marines.

-1

[Desolane900]

I'd have to say -1 because let's face it, everyone needs to learn some way not to screw around with any grilles that are not placed there by default. Only took me one time to find out you don't go near that shit.

[Boltersam]

Egrilles are cancer for the aliens, because they block the way, and if they try to destroy it, they also get stunned for a long period, marines can then just spamclick on their nonmoving sprite to kill them.

Let's face it, egrilles as they are, are already ridiculously powerful against Xenos, as well as the fact that you can SHOOT THROUGH THEM. For every action, there is a reaction. For every positive, there is a negative. Bumping into egrilles is that negative. -1.