Remove Engineering access for Squad Engineers

[Dyne]

Devils advocate. I really don't care one way or another.

I just figure that if it's in their area it is for them. If engineers were ment to have a larger webbing vest, they'd have it.

False logic.
Medics are supposed to have webbing vests, but they get none at all, unless engineers or RO provide.

[Jeser]

False logic.
Medics are supposed to have webbing vests, but they get none at all, unless engineers or RO provide.

Medics STILL don't have webbings in their vendors?
...
Fucking really?

[Lycanthorph]

I've made this suggestion so they would stop stealing vital Engineering materials. As far as webbings go, they're more than welcome to take them ( only the Chief may need his for extra tools and equipment ).
As far as materials go, I've already found an IG solution as Chief Engineer.
It's just annoying to join the round as MT or CE and have to repair damage to the ship and/or dropship/droppod only to find all the materials missing.

[Infernus]

Webbing was replaced with medic combat belt

[Dyne]

I've made this suggestion so they would stop stealing vital Engineering materials. As far as webbings go, they're more than welcome to take them ( only the Chief may need his for extra tools and equipment ).
As far as materials go, I've already found an IG solution as Chief Engineer.
It's just annoying to join the round as MT or CE and have to repair damage to the ship and/or dropship/droppod only to find all the materials missing.

Compare it to joining as MT or CE into a ship overrun by lovely aliens.

[freemysoul]

Gladly, marines are there to fight people. They are under the assumption that there is either a technical failure or there has been some kind of violent attack. Combat engineers have to prepare for both situations. 3 clips in webbing and two in armor is hardly enough to fight any sustained engagement.

I really don't know if this is you being devil's advocate or what, I just don't see why someone who doesn't play MT would disagree on this. Does an engineer having enough ammo bother you? I legitimately don't understand.

Honestly is it THAT fucking hard for you to say across Engineering comms please may I have -Insert item here-

Combat engineers unlike Combat Medics shouldn't be spending 10 hours in the field, they are behind the frontlines, they ARE Tech Support not Front Line Soldiers. Their weapon is for Personal Defence. As soon YOU the Combat Engi have a Priority tasking: FoB, Doorhacking, Engineering, Breach Clearance, Supply running. That means you basically start doing your techie magic rather then fighting aliens. Same for Combat Medics, As soon as you've got Wounded, then your a Medic not a Soldier the others should be escorting back to safety.

P.S. Yes I play Combat Medic, Engineer, MT, CE, Doctor, Specialist and Standard.

[Snypehunter007]

For God's sake.

BUMP

[Edgelord]

I don't really play Squad engineer anymore, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one unless they put industrial welders in the engyvend.

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Sulaco engineering isn't a real job

[Renomaki]

I had a recent round as BO where one of the MTs on the ship started bitching because one of the engineers took a vest without permission.

While that was indeed rude, I couldn't help but wonder "why would an MT need a brown vest?"

I been MT quite a few times, and I don't recall any times where I found a vest to be useful. More often than not, it is just extra needless space for random items of little importance. You already have a toolbelt and a backpack, how much more do you need to carry? It isn't like you are far from supplies, and most of the time you are doing janitor work or dropship repairs, which doesn't require a massive inventory to do.

Honestly, engineers shouldn't be barging in and taking stuff without asking, but at the same time, MTs shouldn't bitch about losing something as simple as a brown vest when they know that combat engineers need it more than they do.

[Jroinc1]

Sulaco engineering isn't a real job

Don't make me prove you wrong.

[Derpislav]

For starters, it would allow the Chief Engineer and his/her Technicians to focus on their engineering duties rather than keep having to watch over their materials like a hawk

Aaahahahahahaha. Hahhahaaaaa. Hhhhhhha. Aaaaahhhah.
Okay, with that hilarious quote out of the way...

I don't care about vests and I never take materials from engineering (unless the other SE was a dick and took everything from the prep room), but if you deny me the portable fuel tank no matter how nicely I ask (I had such experiences), I will look for ways to steal it until I get it. The fuel tank is is a complete gamechanger for engineers in the field, while on Sulaco, there are canisters everywhere.
Plus squad engineers will frequently come to engineering to help.
-1.

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Combat engineers unlike Combat Medics shouldn't be spending 10 hours in the field, they are behind the frontlines, they ARE Tech Support not Front Line Soldiers. Their weapon is for Personal Defence. As soon YOU the Combat Engi have a Priority tasking: FoB, Doorhacking, Engineering, Breach Clearance, Supply running. That means you basically start doing your techie magic rather then fighting aliens. Same for Combat Medics, As soon as you've got Wounded, then your a Medic not a Soldier the others should be escorting back to safety.

While in the perfect world this would be true, it's not. Aliens are so beefy you need every single piece of DPS you can get to survive. There's no such a thing as "support roles" in squads unless it's an extremely high-pop round. If you don't have everyone who has a gun firing wildly, you won't even come close to scratching the aliens.

Engineers are also the ones on the foremost lines during anything besides FoB building. Repairing lights, breaching, hacking, all that stuff you do outside of your cozy little Tcomm fortress puts you in the front.

On that note they're SQUAD engineers. They're marines with additional training, not engineers with guns. The support roles you're describing are doctors and MTs whenever they come planetside.

[YungCuz]

The way i see why not just prevent them from access to the SM control room which is where the metal is.
If not why not just add MORE METAL.
I get that its really annoying for this and honestly i was expecting a thread like this to come up at some point.
But this shouldn't really be a huge issue, I get the brown vest is nice but MTs want those too.
Also if there is a lack of metal you COULD just ask in all honesty for some more.
Point is this is what i think it should be:
1. Lock them off from the SM control room where the Metal actually is.
2. Give SquadEngis More Metal so they don't need to take more.
3. Add the Brown web vest to SquadEngi vendors also.(Maybe)
As for other things you could just ask the Engineering Staff really.

[Jeser]

I don't get the idea of MTs having brown webbings while they are almost always on ship, with possibility to take everything they need in less than 3 minutes, while combat engineers, who work far from any storages, warehouses and other stuff and who REALLY need as much space as possible have just a regular one. And MTs keep bitching when Engies try to get more space for themselves.

A rarely play as MT, but when I do, I go to Requisitions at round start, find first Squad Engie I see and exchange my brown webbing for his/her regular webbing. Because I know for sure, who needs it more.

[Edgelord]

For the record I'm all for squad engineers not having access to Engineering's metal. I just think they should still have access to the improved tools that benefit ground troops more than the ship staff.

And I'd have more respect for Sulaco engineering if they didn't try to simplify it to hell and back. The only things you can do are:
1) mop the floors
2) Try and have a 3 conversation with people in engineering
3) Make the supermatter needlessly powerful
4) Repair the (rare) damage to the Sulaco pre-invasion.

I would roll MT consistently if there was shit to do like general maintenance that improves shit for the ground troops, ie rasputin/vindicator maintenance, calibrating the orbital cannons, etc. But right now it's the job with the highest rate of SSD.

[Jroinc1]

...The only things you can do are...
...improves shit for the ground troops...

Narrow-minded.
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[Butterrobber202]

Hi, I play Squad Engi all the time, never had to steal webbing, you just have to think

Do I really need that light replacer?

I have room for 6 Mags. of ammo and room for flares, when I play.

Its called inventory management look it up.

+1

[Jonesome]

-1

Squad engineers need access to engineering like helping to set up defenses when being boarded, as well as setting up SM when no MTs or CE are awake. Of course you could make it where Command is able to allow engies engineering access in emergencies, but this is a needless change.

[Casany]

Well, -1. I always go into engineering and take the extra platesteel and some extra metal. Engineers start with oh so little supplies. They need those engineers supplies which they [regular engineers] will never use

[TopHatPenguin]

Just going to point out the massive flaw with this.

Even if you remove their access they'll just hack in or make a hidden wall in maint, this would literally stop them for a couple of seconds.

[Surrealistik]

How about Engineers just _start_ with the 5 slot webbing vest, and have access to a phoron supply closet? That way everybody wins.

Also Engineering is a real job, even before shitler xenos start invading, so long as you're doing stuff like setting up cameras on the dropship, or upgrading vendors, the reactor, whatever, (no disposal transport networks anymore because admins grief me about every damn time I try; just make it against the rules already and fuck off) but I agree, the Combat Engineers need the webbing more than CEs/MTs.

[Jeser]

How about Engineers just _start_ with the 5 slot webbing vest, and have access to a phoron supply closet? That way everybody wins.
... but I agree, the Combat Engineers need the webbing more than CEs/MTs.

Finally. Someone else got it.

[Doc]

+1

I don't play Maintenance Tech or Squad Engineer regularly, but this just seems to make sense. A marine who builds walls and repairs standard electronics has no business with access to the atmospherics systems and super-nuclear reactor that aerate and power a ship comparable to capital ships of other universes.

That said, if Squad Engineers need the equipment contained in those areas- just put it in their prep. Make a separate suggestion for that. This suggestion by no means says that squad engineers don't need those materials, it just says they have no business having access to these highly senstive areas in order to get it.

[Snypehunter007]

Once again, this is relevant.

[Edgelord]

#sapperlivesmatters

[Swagile]

Squad Engineers matter more than MT's in the long run due to the fact that MT's cannot do anything useful (defence wise) until Xenos breach.

The one thing ive seen MT's do that is useful is setup camera's on the colony, and thats pretty much it.