Alt: Split Spec roles

[Whistle]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Create two specs classes per squad with different load out availability.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

Opposed to current suggestions this will allow a greater variety of load outs without risking the chance of ridiculous things like 8 sadars, or like in the current suggestion, extremely powerful combos like Gl stun, sadar follow up. B-18 tank, smart gun spank to just name two.

It will allow more players to play with more equipment without the usual pressure to be perfect with a weapon/gear you have never used before.
It will fix the demand for more specialists and give more tactical options to SL's for example
The defencive "Urban" specs will excel at covering the FOB or an engineering team from harm as they work.
The "Demolitions" Spec would excel at forrays into enemy territory to gather equipment (Med+ at medical) or support a charge with their devastating weaponry, from removing large threats to filling a screens worth of hive in fire.

Both spec positions will have a fair and interesting load out which will allow for greater versatility within individual squads and in the marine corp overall.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):

Two new job slots named: "Urban." "Demolitions." specialists.

Urban: Demolition:
B-18.SADAR.Smartgun.Grenade Launcher.Sniper.Flamethrower. (With the proposed Flame thrower exo here in accepted suggestions viewtopic.php?f=130&t=4814 ) Increased use of usually class restricted items, less pressure to be the best with untrained weapons, more versatility in tactical situations, less salt at people never getting spec as the chances go from 100-4 to 100-8

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):
New locker and vendor that segregates these two roles. Unique coins so one Spec cannot pilfer the others load out. A new job slot opening.
Implementation of the Flamer exo to balance out the proposed spec roles.


Note: I main xeno these days, this is not a preference buff, the variation could simply benefit the game.
I've also had the idea since my earliest days playing this game.

[Shyguychizzy]

+1 I do indeed like this idea of load outs rather having two spcs both having a coin, perhaps another load out if I may suggest to add would be sniper assistant or rather spotter? It would include a marksman rifle and binoculars, as well as recon armor perhaps?

[Steelpoint]

Seems a fair change, so +1

[Whistle]

+1 I do indeed like this idea of load outs rather having two spcs both having a coin, perhaps another load out if I may suggest to add would be sniper assistant or rather spotter? It would include a marksman rifle and binoculars, as well as recon armor perhaps?

This would make a valid suggestion by itself, spotter equipment coming standard with sniper load out.

[Killaninja12]

+1
I like this a lot, seeing more variation with how things run in a round is always good.

[Steelpoint]

Looking at this with a better in depth explanation for why I think its a good idea.

The SADAR and Grenade Launcher are very powerful weapons (Nade Launcher is good but lack of ammo makes it a horrible choice) and no one wants there to be eight SADAR wielding solders on the battlefield. Yet weapons like the Smartgun and Sniper serve a function but are both hamperd by their lack of effectivness on higher level xenos or other constraining downsides which make them a subpar choice in comparison to the SADAR.

I think this suggestion would be good because I do not think there being four Explosive Specs with SADARs or Nade Launcher and four Urban Specs with Smartguns and Snipers to be overpowered, in fact it may help let newer players toy around with better toys WITHOUT the same heavy pressure on top of them to succeed and do well.

[monkeysfist101]

+1 I do indeed like this idea of load outs rather having two spcs both having a coin, perhaps another load out if I may suggest to add would be sniper assistant or rather spotter? It would include a marksman rifle and binoculars, as well as recon armor perhaps?

You mean the recon class that was already added to the game?

[Shyguychizzy]

@Monkeysfist101 We'll no I am referring to the marksman rifle you know that is like the basic rifle but is the mark man's rifle version. In which fires in single shot, equipped with Rifle stock and rail scope. It would be beneficial by having a light rifle rather always a sniper. Might consider even making a post about actaully.

[Haveatya]

If splitting the Specialist, I recommend weapons specialist and demolitions specialist. I'd find those names more realistic than Urban and Demolition. Either way, I don't have a real preference for your suggestion or mine. Really one or the other.

[lcass123]

I just had an Idea for a new specialist loadout and considering the horrific number of threads this is a suitable place to put it, considering the recent shotgun update and the amount of ammo variety I think it would be suitable to give the spec a 211k tactical shotgun( I think thats its name) and give them a variety of ammo.

In terms of armour they take standard marine armour apart from a special helmet that signifies they are the shotgun pro.

Ammo:
Flachette: Small low damage rounds that spread similar to the buckshot however they have a moderately high AP stat.
Incendiary , already done
HE Slug: High explosive slug that does a small amount of damage on hit but creates a moderate explosion with slightly less damage than a grenade , only give 1 box at most
Phos slug: little damage on impact but creates a small fireball on impact , does not set the mob on fire.

[Warnipple]

While I do agree that we should have more spec weapons on the battlefield. Having 4 sadars at the beginning of the game is going to be hell for aliens. Perhaps make it so that those spec roles are enabled only after a certain amount of xenos pop is reached?

[lcass123]

we already have 4 sadars some rounds so that wouldn't make a difference. you would need to change the current system for that to work

[ShortTemperedLeprechaun]

+1. YAAAAAAAAAAAS. I still can't wait to see that new flamer armor and loadout we've been promised.

[Edgelord]

If splitting the Specialist, I recommend weapons specialist and demolitions specialist. I'd find those names more realistic than Urban and Demolition. Either way, I don't have a real preference for your suggestion or mine. Really one or the other.

In terms of role Squad Engineers are demolitionists.

[Boltersam]

One thing I most certainly agree with is splitting the Flamethrower into a different class, though being able to give squads both a Smartgun (As an example) and a SADAR together may be a bit powerful early on, the Aliens have a powerful late game. If anything, I wouldn't call it balance, but Marines could use the boost early game. How about this is tested on a trial run, and if the Marines have too much of an advantage from it, it's denied, or remade to be more accommodating? No, I'm not saying this as to be a bullshitter, but it's obvious that Apop intends Aliens to be more powerful.

[LordLoko]

In my opinion, creating a specialized Smartgun role is better.

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

This messes up balance quite a bit, especially on low-pop rounds. Aliens will get erased if we have 4 SADARS and 4 Smartguns. That's a nightmare no matter how you put it.

We've denied ideas to split up the spec class a few times in the past. It's really not a great idea.

[lcass123]

well then make it only high pop rounds then , have default 4 spec roles and then for each 10 people above 40 players add 1 more spec role , by 80 players you have 8 spec roles.

[Boltersam]

This messes up balance quite a bit, especially on low-pop rounds. Aliens will get erased if we have 4 SADARS and 4 Smartguns. That's a nightmare no matter how you put it.

We've denied ideas to split up the spec class a few times in the past. It's really not a great idea.

What about just splitting the flamethrower? The fire exosuit is an accepted suggestion, but still isn't used, so adding a separate role for it entirely wouldn't be that bad, it would fit its own niche, at least.

[Snypehunter007]

Asking for DEV review.

[forwardslashN]

Probably not happening, and not entirely sure why this is needed. Denied.