Russian Supply Crates and You!

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Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by Neray » 05 Aug 2016, 07:56

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):
Bring back russian supply crates with lower chances for SVD and with BROADBAND requirement, as suggested in this thread.
Perhaps add a separate crate with random russian/blackmarket ammo mixed in it or any other way to get just_ammo.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
As for now, there's no way to restock looted russian weapons with ammo. More though, whole cargo lottery is limited to HPR from W-Y crates and few good guns from BM. I don't know why those were removed in a first place, but having optional (read - rare, I doubt that more than 10% of cargo folks will ever hack their consoles) 40+-points-worth crates with tiny chance of getting something as useful as HPR (SVD), good chance of getting an alternative assault rifle (MAR-40) and option to restock found equipment - is a win/win. After all, every 40 points wasted on W-Y or Ru deprives marines of other supplies, so why not to keep variability a bit larger? Might as well make cargo personnel happier please stop going SSD it hurts T_T.

P.S. June thread worth reading and basically has everything I mentioned here in it. Since we finally have an active coder, adding things and fixing bugs almost every day, it seems like a good time to remind you about cargo problems.
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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 05 Aug 2016, 09:16

We got rid of this because we didn't want supply arming the marines with Russian gear. Didn't match the theme of the USCM. You can find some of it out on the planet, and it will likely appear more in the future.

Just not through cargo.

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by Neray » 05 Aug 2016, 09:30

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote:We got rid of this because we didn't want supply arming the marines with Russian gear. Didn't match the theme of the USCM. You can find some of it out on the planet, and it will likely appear more in the future.

Just not through cargo.
Point is - ammo is more rare than guns themself. At least add a crate with random BM/Russian ammo in it so we can actually use those guns. As for now, cargo can't even supply ship with usual USCM ammo properly, since the only way to get it is through W-Y crates, 2 mags per gun or expensive ext mags crate with, again, 2 mags per gun. You know, *cough* supplies for military *cough*, we got everything including dresses, but no plain ammo crates.

I can't see how russian weapons are ruining USCM theme, since they're basically just a subtype of black market guns. Hell, W-Y colony is full of them. Personally, I'll be fine if you guys just add those in BM rotation.

Leaving whole class of weapons without ways to resupply em with ammo is a really dick move not only for marines, but for ERT as well. Back then we at least had autolathe with 12mm and some other types of ammo in it.

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by EMT_321 » 05 Aug 2016, 09:42

Functionality, those cargo points can almost always be put to better use then buying snowflake weapons for a single marine.

I like the +broadband suggestion though.

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by Neray » 05 Aug 2016, 09:50

EMT_321 wrote:Functionality, those cargo points can almost always be put to better use then buying snowflake weapons for a single marine.

I like the +broadband suggestion though.
Yeah, it's my point! If you're going to waste resources on custom weapons, you should at least have some variants to choose from. As for now, HPR is the only custom gun that can be used properly, thanks to high-capacity mags, plus maybe custom shotgun, since it uses usual shotgun ammo.

Russian guns aren't that rare as plain blackmarket ones (damn, we can even get our hands on pre-WWII replicas) and ammo from them should be easier to obtain.

And if we'll add +broadband for those shady options, russian guns and ammo won't be available every round, thanks to bald cargo crew that never heard about hacking.

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 05 Aug 2016, 11:38

The guns on the colony are meant for the survivors, not the Marines. Even so, we're considering replacing them with more of the more map-appropriate Colonial Marshals line of firearms.

The black market and russian crates were largely implemented by Abby (god rest her soul) and are basically on functional hiatus.

It's like if someone in your house suddenly buys a cactus and then dies. Everyone left in the house doesn't know what the cactus is for and they're not sure what to do with it

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by Neray » 05 Aug 2016, 12:00

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote:The guns on the colony are meant for the survivors, not the Marines. Even so, we're considering replacing them with more of the more map-appropriate Colonial Marshals line of firearms.

The black market and russian crates were largely implemented by Abby (god rest her soul) and are basically on functional hiatus.

It's like if someone in your house suddenly buys a cactus and then dies. Everyone left in the house doesn't know what the cactus is for and they're not sure what to do with it
Dammit, I missed so much.

Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that custom guns are organic and needed. Sometimes there's just nothing else to do as cargo guy, everything ordered, everything sent. It's just, eh, I don't know, without those lottery crates cargo doesn't feel right. There should be ways to order them and ammo. Expensive, productively inefficient, but those ways should be somewhere around, just in case someone will need em. What's the point in looting russians, if you got only few rounds for each gun? What's the point for mercs in sticking with their weapons, if they'll never be able to get ammo for them.

Ammo in 22 century isn't that hard to get. And if we came so far, with whole cargo shuttle system (that's a bit lore-wise wrong), it should be a piece of cake. Removing ammo crafting from hacked autolathe was wrong, imo, since it should be a logical way to compensate the lack of options in cargo. 3D-printing, dammit.

Personally, I just love MAR-40, its sprite, its firing sound, everything about it. It's a shame you can't get at least few mags for it and be happy with it as main weapon.

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Re: Russian Supply Crates and You!

Post by forwardslashN » 05 Aug 2016, 14:16

While you won't be getting Russian guns, I've added more ammo crates and the possibility of getting some Russian ammo with a hidden black market ammo crate. Resolved.
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